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Keith Jones Wants Flyers to be Difficult to Play Against
Philadelphia Flyers president Keith Jones knows his team isn’t in the hunt for the Stanley Cup this season. Probably not the playoffs, either. His goals for the Flyers aren’t quite that gaudy or optimistic, but they’re still important. Jones and Philadelphia Flyers general manager Daniel Briere...
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“Even when the Flyers were starting to build back around Lindros, it was always a difficult team to play against,” Jones said.
“They weren’t making the playoffs all the time at that point. They started to build towards that, but they were entertaining. So, you have to find ways to entertain and win.
“We’re not a team that’s going to be using the word ‘tank’ on any night.”
all one can do is laugh and shake their head.
blackjackmulligan
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he is only 20. Not ready to close the door just yet. This year will tell us.
Keith Jones Wants Flyers to be Difficult to Play Against
Philadelphia Flyers president Keith Jones knows his team isn’t in the hunt for the Stanley Cup this season. Probably not the playoffs, either. His goals for the Flyers aren’t quite that gaudy or optimistic, but they’re still important. Jones and Philadelphia Flyers general manager Daniel Briere...
“Even when the Flyers were starting to build back around Lindros, it was always a difficult team to play against,” Jones said.
“They weren’t making the playoffs all the time at that point. They started to build towards that, but they were entertaining. So, you have to find ways to entertain and win.
“We’re not a team that’s going to be using the word ‘tank’ on any night.”
all one can do is laugh and shake their head.
So they want the Flyers to be a tougher Washington Generals?
"You can come steamroll us each night, but we'll make sure to keep hitting you hard and maybe have some board work."
Seriously, the mindset for this club does not f***ing work in the modern NHL. I expect the Flyers to worse than last year and would often lose to the likes of the Ducks, Jackets and Sharks.
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deadhead
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Do you watch any playoff hockey?
Last time I checked, the teams that got to the final four played physical, blocked shots, had good goalie play, etc. Edmonton, Toronto and NJ watched on TV. Florida tried to outscore everyone the previous season and got nowhere, got a hot goalie and added a star with 'tude and got to the Finals last year.
Nothing wrong with establishing a winning culture before you get young elite players, it takes time to add talent, it just takes effort and discipline to play the style that will give you a shot at a Cup someday.
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They got to the Final Four because they could f***ing score.
The Flyers are establishing a loser culture. In part because deliberately trying to make culture happen always fails.
blackjackmulligan
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It really is baffling that not one even half smart person in that organization can see they are so far behind the times. Would love to be a fly on the wall when they have their pow wows
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Another post, another horrible take. I am shocked I tell ya
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A winning culture needs to win games, something that we don't do
Winning means nothing to this coaching staff and front office if you're not hitting and grinding.
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Oh trust me I know, they still operate like it's 1982, this franchise is in trouble
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Those were the teams with the biggest offensive stars.
Vegas had guys like Stone and Karlsson and Stephenson.
You need talent to win, but the playoffs are tighter and more physical than the regular season, teams that cruise through the regular season outscoring the opposition often fall flat in the playoffs - notice how TB rebuilt after Torts beat them, how Pittsburgh rebuilt under Sullivan with a bunch of AHL guys and won two Cups, Colorado was an excellent forechecking team due to bottom six depth and so on. You need stars, but you also need depth and 'tude.
Flyers can't speed up the acquisition of the handful of top talent needed to compete at a high level, but meanwhile they can develop the depth you need behind those guys. The "energy guys" who shutdown opposing scoring lines and terrorize 2nd and 3rd pair defensemen, the dependable D-men who don't leak goals when your top guys are on the bench.
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I think this is part of the disconnect for me.
I understand the organization not wanting to tank and not wanting to trade away all (or most) of their highly skilled veterans.
At the same time, that's precisely what prevents them from picking in the top 3 and acquiring true elite talent.
Time will tell!
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You're purposely leaving off the high skill players on the team, and the fact they've absolutely abused LTIR, but yes eichel did absolutely nothing for them, neither did our short warrior, they don't have great defenders in Theodore or even AP, but you go off sis
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Those teams that won were the better team for a variety of reasons. Hot goaltending being one the biggest. Yes you do need physical play and things def get tighter. Would never say otherwise. This is why Risto will be in demand......
You totally overrate the depth on this team imo. They have nothing special players that every other NHL team has all over their roster and organization. The roster is shit up and down. A few good players. Majority are not going to improve much if at all imo. The Frost Tippets Cates dont move the needle all that much if at all. TK Laughton and like same thing.
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Hextall BS retool 2.0, except with a GM - and HC the Flyers alumni approve of.
They are straddling the middle ground yet again, and hoping their scouts/development teams can extract the required level of talent.
It’s as if we’ve gone back to 2015
They are straddling the middle ground yet again, and hoping their scouts/development teams can extract the required level of talent.
It’s as if we’ve gone back to 2015
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As far as pure skill, Vegas is way behind Toronto and Edmonton and NJ.
Basically it's Eichel, Stone who's a Couts type (not an elite offensive player) and a bunch of guys who were bottom six/ middle six types on their previous teams:
Marchessault, Stephenson, Barbashev, Karlsson, Reilly Smith.
The rest of the forward group are what people here hate: Roy, Amadio, Howden, Carrier Kolesar.
On defense, Pietrangelo (33), Theodore and a bunch of defense first guys in Martinez (35), McNabb (32), Whitecloud, Hague,
So one elite offensive forward, two top but not elite offensive defensemen, and a bunch of supporting players.
Adin Hiill was hot, but do you think he's an elite goalie or the beneficiary of a team that led the league in block shots and makes protecting their goalie a priority?
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So many completely debunked myths, holy shit. So much delusion.
You keep on believing the Flyers have been doing it all right since 2018. I can't wait to see when reality finally steamrolls your fantasies.
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Considering Cates' usage and linemates, and the fact he still was below the 25th percentile, his offence was hot garbage.
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A guy getting top line partners but scoring at a bottom six rate isn't pleasing to you? That doesn't make you excited in your organs?
freakydallas13
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Wow we're now at "there is both less and more space on the PP" levels of mental gymnastics to defend this team's coach.
Great. Wonderful. Having a conversation with this person is surely a good use of anyone's time.
Great. Wonderful. Having a conversation with this person is surely a good use of anyone's time.
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renberg
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It's something that they won't do. Last season they were the fourth lowest scoring team in the League behind Chicago (204), Anaheim (209) and CBJ(214) with only 222 goals. Gone are Hayes(18), TDA(11), JVR(12) and Provorov(6) who together tallied 47 goals. Couturier and Atkinson aren't going to make up the difference. If they trade out Konecny and Laughton their scoring will be even lower.
This team won't win because it can't score. No amount of decent defensive play will balance that inability to get goals. They're going to get blown out more often or not. Attendance is going to plummet and heads will roll. They're a bigger mess than most folks even thought.
