GDT: Training Camp 2021: Everyone Else Too Lazy to Make a Thread

[Kovalev27]

For players who grew up playing the sport. Why do fans care?

why do fans care? Because fans care about everything regarding their teams and they know and respect the tradition of the captaincy in the sport of hockey is why I care. I absolutely believe a captain holds weight with refs, with the media, with opponents, and most importantly within the locker room. Fans stand behind their team and of course the leader of that team. Pretty obvious not having a captain bothers the fans that continue to pressure the media to ask about it.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

He says the right things....

 

[Profet]

To be completely fair... the NHL has specific rules regarding Captains and affords them certain privileges when discussing plays and decisions during the game.

This isn't just a patch on a chest. There are in game ramifications because of the designation.

 

[duhmetreE]

He says the right things....

what a click bait thumbnail... excited and expect to see some footage of them playing....



..watch a Kreider xoom call.

 

[Kovalev27]

Really? I played a ton of sports growing up, both competitive and non-competitive. I understand the significance associated with being named team captain--I just don't think that not having one is emblematic of a leadership void or some other deficiency on the team. I don't think a "leadership committee" is inherently worse than having a single player emerge as the primary leader of a team.

As I said above, it's not that I don't think it's important. I think the "weight" of the letter can really take a toll on a guy if he's not suited to wear it; I also think some guys rise to the occasion when given the captaincy.

I just don't think having or not having a captain--by itself--would cause or prevent a team from having more/less success. Like if you have five guys who are all strong leaders, by example on and off the ice, and the team chooses to roll with three A's and no C--I don't think that's a problem at all.

My argument is more that the idea of not having a C is portrayed by fans who don't actually know the dynamics of the team as being far more important than it may be.

I’m sure you can have success without a captain but that doesn’t mean the captaincy in hockey means nothing to players.

this isn’t directed at you but someone here implies that the arguement of well you didn’t play the game so you don’t know doesn’t work here. Well when someone says straight up that the captaincy doesn’t mean anything to players it should be argued that you can’t make a statement like that when you never were a player. If anything you shouldn’t speak for them is all.

My dad never held a hockey stick but he could run circles around actual hockey players with his knowledge of the game so I’d never to someone you don’t know the game because you didn’t play. I just would have to question what someone that didn’t play thinks they know about the inner workings of a locker room if they haven’t been a part of one. That’s different than knowing the GAME

 

[Kovalev27]

and that's why I think they're going this route. They are waiting for a Captain to present himself

theres definitely some cold feet going on for sure. Mika is on the cusp of being considered one of the great players in the league. Do you risk that at all? That may be the fear.

 

[Ola]

Don't forget that we will have goalie back there now that can ACTUALLY play the pucks unlike the King who was always below NHL grade in that dept I figure . It will help our D .

Good point!

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

what a click bait thumbnail... excited and expect to see some footage of them playing....



..watch a Kreider xoom call.

There was a whole conversation about CK's fitness for being captain....

 

[TominNC]

why do fans care? Because fans care about everything regarding their teams and they know and respect the tradition of the captaincy in the sport of hockey is why I care. I absolutely believe a captain holds weight with refs, with the media, with opponents, and most importantly within the locker room. Fans stand behind their team and of course the leader of that team. Pretty obvious not having a captain bothers the fans that continue to pressure the media to ask about it.

I think the Rangers 3 A's did just fine with the refs. I don't believe Refs would have given Mika any more respect or whatever if the A was a C

 

[duhmetreE]

This is not hockey related, it's life related. ANY area of life that involves a team... Any form of a team... NEEDS and REQUIRES a team leader (captain in this case) if they plan on being successful.

You can say it's a vain title but it's not. This team has had a leadership issue for some time.

 

[duhmetreE]

There was a whole conversation about CK's fitness for being captain....

I'm not talking about the actual content but the YouTube thumbnail MSG chose to use. I clicked it expecting some live on-ice footage with that thumbnail.... ie click bait

 

[Harbour Dog]

I don't care about any of this captain stuff.

More 'Jack Johnson is on pace for a P/GP season' posts please.

 

[Kovalev27]

I think the Rangers 3 A's did just fine with the refs. I don't believe Refs would have given Mika any more respect or whatever if the A was a C

and with all due respect this opinion isn’t based on anything other than your own thoughts vs 100 years of tradition in the sport

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[SA16]

The captain can both be important to players and not matter in general.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Maybe Kreider and Zib like the shared Captaincy?

 

[CasusBelli]

He says the right things....

That’s a captain. Eloquent. Succinct. Confident. In control.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I’m sure you can have success without a captain but that doesn’t mean the captaincy in hockey means nothing to players.

this isn’t directed at you but someone here implies that the arguement of well you didn’t play the game so you don’t know doesn’t work here. Well when someone says straight up that the captaincy doesn’t mean anything to players it should be argued that you can’t make a statement like that when you never were a player. If anything you shouldn’t speak for them is all.

My dad never held a hockey stick but he could run circles around actual hockey players with his knowledge of the game so I’d never to someone you don’t know the game because you didn’t play. I just would have to question what someone that didn’t play thinks they know about the inner workings of a locker room if they haven’t been a part of one. That’s different than knowing the GAME

I'm sure it means something, but somehow teams go on in other sports without the captaincy being this huge thing. It's just one of those traditions in hockey that allows hockey players, fans, and analysts to be up their own asses. It means something due to tradition. Messier would have been a leader with a C or not and most captains aren't amazing leaders.

 

[Lua]

Might as well sell the season's name and call it the Season of the Depend Adult Undergarment or whatever. Canada is annexed. DFW is always right.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Taking on the Captaincy does have some importance. When you're a Captain, you aren't just empowered to speak up, it's your responsibility. You need a player that can lead by example and speak with credibility and authority. You also need to be able to play bad cop when needed. I don't see Kreider or Mika having the personality to get in a teammate's face and dress them down for lack of effort. If Kreider had more of an edge to him, I could easily see him as captain. Dude has done everything for this organization in terms of helping our young guys learn how to train to be a pro.

It's also why I don't like the idea of handing the captaincy to a teenager, ala Colorado. Even if that player is your best player, and they give 110%, they don't have that credibility that comes from years in the league, riding out the highs and lows of the NHL grind.

 

[redwhiteandblue]

These boards sure knows how to really beat a dead horse. Nothing new, just feel it needs to be said every so often.

 

[GoAwayGiannone]

"Yea lemme get uhhh...."

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I'm sure it means something, but somehow teams go on in other sports without the captaincy being this huge thing. It's just one of those traditions in hockey that allows hockey players, fans, and analysts to be up their own asses. It means something due to tradition. Messier would have been a leader with a C or not and most captains aren't amazing leaders.

How many teams have won a cup with no captain? Check mate

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Like being taken #1 and the expectations that come with THAT, along with playing in the greatest city and biggest market in the world.

While I agree with them not holding it for some kid who hasnt played a game with us (People here are just being silly already with this stuff.) I also think the "greatest city and market" talk is completely irrelevant when it comes to the NHL.

During our cup run some of our best players walked openly in the streets and got noticed by maybe 3 or 4 people. For the most part no one in NYC really cares about the NYR let alone Laf and our hockey media is mostly toothless/goofy or professional and relatively light.

Montreal and toronto are another story. The only guy I recall getting even passing significant attention in the media around here was AVery and that was for page 6 antics.

 

[Kords]

Really hope Mika gets to camp soon. It's probably best that they aren't disclosing details, but my mind is starting to run wild with theory's. I'm sure it's a quarantine thing, but if he came back a few days before camp opened as people have been saying, he is missing most of camp. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt (ie personal reasons) for coming in later, but man is it a bad look with no context.