GDT: Training Camp 2021: Everyone Else Too Lazy to Make a Thread

[SA16]

The best thing Hank could have done with regards to his puck handling is to realize his limitations and just play the puck significantly less. I assume the reason he didn’t really improve at it is he felt it was more important to spend his time working on his play and technique in goal.

 

[Joey Bones]

the C is really a meaningless symbolic gesture that fans care about too much...having a letter stitched on your jersey doesn't make you magically a leader. and not having one doesn't make you less of a leader.

I mean it's still nice to see, especially when a player actually deserves the accolades. But, yeah, agree with that statement nonetheless.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

The captain thing is overblown. There are leaders in the locker room and on the ice whether or not they're wearing a letter. Maybe the way the leadership on this team is structured, it's better to not have a captain. Maybe there are several guys who are looked at as the team leaders. I don't think the formal designation of a letter matters very much.

 

[Leetch3]

I mean it's still nice to see, especially when a player actually deserves the accolades. But, yeah, agree with that statement nonetheless.

its a nice accolades and shows the player you appreciate his value if he deserves it but in that case the player is a leader first and then gets the letter after

 

[Beer League Sniper]

While I agree with them not holding it for some kid who hasnt played a game with us (People here are just being silly already with this stuff.) I also think the "greatest city and market" talk is completely irrelevant when it comes to the NHL.

During our cup run some of our best players walked openly in the streets and got noticed by maybe 3 or 4 people. For the most part no one in NYC really cares about the NYR let alone Laf and our hockey media is mostly toothless/goofy or professional and relatively light.

Montreal and toronto are another story. The only guy I recall getting even passing significant attention in the media around here was AVery and that was for page 6 antics.

I really think the "bigger stage" stuff was just a diplomatic way of saying he wanted to be in a "better city" than Columbus. Not knocking Columbus, but NYC has infinitely more to offer for many people. Same goes for many of the more established markets.

And as far as the relative anonymity of our players, I think that's actually a huge draw for players. The ability to live like a young millionaire in NYC without being constantly harassed by fans is friggin awesome.

 

[Kords]

Dudes grinning ear to ear. Such a stud.

 

[Joey Bones]

*When Shesterkin makes a highlight reel save*

 

[ElLeetch]

Assistant coach Henrik Lundqvist

Assistant to the coach Henrik Lundqvist

 

[ElLeetch]

Dudes grinning ear to ear. Such a stud.

He's on the ice for the first time playing with some of the worlds best. He just had his childhood dream come true.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I’m sure you can have success without a captain but that doesn’t mean the captaincy in hockey means nothing to players.

this isn’t directed at you but someone here implies that the arguement of well you didn’t play the game so you don’t know doesn’t work here. Well when someone says straight up that the captaincy doesn’t mean anything to players it should be argued that you can’t make a statement like that when you never were a player. If anything you shouldn’t speak for them is all.

My dad never held a hockey stick but he could run circles around actual hockey players with his knowledge of the game so I’d never to someone you don’t know the game because you didn’t play. I just would have to question what someone that didn’t play thinks they know about the inner workings of a locker room if they haven’t been a part of one. That’s different than knowing the GAME

Is this directed at me, because that isn't what I said at all. I said someone who has never played sports(or any team activity for that matter) probably doesn't understand the honor it is to be named the captain of a team and what a special feeling it is for that player. The players absolutely look up to that player, especially young players. So yea it is a pretty decent deal to the player chosen, and his teammates. It's not just for show.

Normally I would never use that cliché', but in this is fits perfect because how does someone who never played a sport know that feeling?

This has nothing to do with knowing the game whether you played it or not.

 

[TominNC]

and with all due respect this opinion isn’t based on anything other than your own thoughts vs 100 years of tradition in the sport

You REALLY think that modern day refs, care about a C over an A?

 

[Profet]

You REALLY think that modern day refs, care about a C over an A?

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks... The facts according to the rule book, is that they are supposed to value the C over an A.

Here is the thing... like with any work environment... You're always looking for that one point of contact. That one person who you can speak to to get shit done.

If I need to interface with someone on a topic and its readily recognizable who that person is... it gets done.

If I need to hold a meeting and talk to 3 or 4 people or whatever "co-owners" of a task or feature... I'm getting annoyed and much more likely to just make a decision on my own and hope for the best.

If I'm an official...and I have to pick one of 3 people to talk to, my first inclination is going to be whatever... and not communicate. If there is a specific point of contact wearing a 'C' I'd probably be more inclinded to have a conversation.

The above is my own opinion... but I've worked at many places doing many things... and I know that I'm not alone in this attitude.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I feel like a lot of people saying captaincy, character & intangibles don't matter are people who've never played organized sports. They absolutely do matter and it means a lot to players.

 

[will1066]

Don't underestimate what a captain does off the ice. The captain is usually the person who listens to other players' problems, whether they are about the HC, a member of the coaching staff, or life in general. A bunch of guys get drunk after a night out following a game? The captain makes sure they all get cabs back to the hotel.

 

[NYSPORTS]

A bunch of guys get drunk after a night out following a game? The captain makes sure they all get cabs back to the hotel.

Chris Carter says you need a “fall guy” for that.

 

[NYR]

the C is really a meaningless symbolic gesture that fans care about too much...having a letter stitched on your jersey doesn't make you magically a leader. and not having one doesn't make you less of a leader.

I have to disagree.

I'm not saying they need a C right now.. Actually I'd go through this season without one BUT moving forward, not only is it traditional.
There's a reason why any/every entity has a pecking order.
Whether it's a sports team, military, CEO of a company, any country...Someone has to lead the way and for a wide variety of reasons.

Few small examples..

Say you're a kid just first starting out in the NHL and for the first time you face adversity and realize this isn't Jr leagues anymore.
The kid is probably thinking..I wonder how Panarin would handle this?
K'andre spent the summer with Kreider to learn how to train and prepare for an NHL season.
There also needs to be a link between players and management much in the way the players association goes up against the league.

You see where I'm going with this?

 

[bobbop]

Don't underestimate what a captain does off the ice. The captain is usually the person who listens to other players' problems, whether they are about the HC, a member of the coaching staff, or life in general. A bunch of guys get drunk after a night out following a game? The captain makes sure they all get cabs back to the hotel.

The Captain also is the focus of media attention. That, to me, is why Kreider is an excellent candidate and Trouba is not.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I feel like a lot of people saying captaincy, character & intangibles don't matter are people who've never played organized sports. They absolutely do matter and it means a lot to players.

I think the argument is that you can be all those things without being a captain and other sports have leaders without deifying captains. And you could also be a captain without being a good leader.

 

[will1066]

I think the argument is that you can be all those things without being a captain and other sports have leaders without deifying captains. And you could also be a captain without being a good leader.

Like the skipper on Gilligan's Island

 

[Kovalev27]

Is this directed at me, because that isn't what I said at all. I said someone who has never played sports(or any team activity for that matter) probably doesn't understand the honor it is to be named the captain of a team and what a special feeling it is for that player. The players absolutely look up to that player, especially young players. So yea it is a pretty decent deal to the player chosen, and his teammates. It's not just for show.

Normally I would never use that cliché', but in this is fits perfect because how does someone who never played a sport know that feeling?

This has nothing to do with knowing the game whether you played it or not.

no it wasn’t lol

 

[Kovalev27]

I'm sure it means something, but somehow teams go on in other sports without the captaincy being this huge thing. It's just one of those traditions in hockey that allows hockey players, fans, and analysts to be up their own asses. It means something due to tradition. Messier would have been a leader with a C or not and most captains aren't amazing leaders.

I can’t speak to how it is looked at in other sports I’m talking about hockey

 

[The Crypto Guy]

no it wasn’t lol

Oh, apologies.... There was a lot of different views going on in there so its hard to know who's talking about who

 

[NYR]

Not right now but if/ when this team ever comes together..
You need a captain.
It's all about structure bobos lol

 

[kovazub94]

So Howden will play and Barron will be in Hartford

So we’re going to devolve from Andersson outplayed Howden in preseason games - why is Howden ahead of him to Barron outplayed Howden in scrimmage - why is Howden ahead of him?

I know you’re joking but it will be argued, you can bet on it.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

So we’re going to devolve from Andersson outplayed Howden in preseason games - why is Howden ahead of him to Barron outplayed Howden in scrimmage - why is Howden ahead of him?

I know you’re joking but it will be argued, you can bet on it.

I was actually referring to Chytil who was demoted straight after pre-season