GDT: Training Camp 2021: Everyone Else Too Lazy to Make a Thread

[Filthy Dangles]

Makes a huge difference. Having a goalie that can actually play the puck crisply to the d or even forwards rather than have to leave the puck for your dman and have the opposition forward come full speed to check your dman into the boards and cause a turnover (especially to a dman like Staal who had very little quickness).

It's questionable how much, if any difference it made before trapezoid was instituted (a lot of smart people on the History and Numbers board found no evidence of goalie puck handling impacting shots and chances against). But now with the trapezoid, it's easy to keep shoot-ins away from goalies who like to handle it.

for me, I don't like goalies trying to make breakout passes because the risk is very high and reward very low. All I want my goalie to do is stop the shoot ins they can and Tee it up for the dman and get back in goal. Hank was so bad he wasn't even comfortable doing this when the opposing team went for a change

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It's questionable how much, if any difference it made before trapezoid was instituted (a lot of smart people on the History and Numbers board found no evidence of goalie puck handling impacting shots and chances against). But now with the trapezoid, it's easy to keep shoot-ins away from goalies who like to handle it.

for me, I don't like goalies trying to make breakout passes because the risk is very high and reward very low. All I want my goalie to do is stop the shoot ins they can and Tee it up for the dman and get back in goal. Hank was so bad he wasn't even comfortable doing this when the opposing team went for a change

Link for this?

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Link for this?

I'll have to try and find it, I hope it still exists after the migration because it was from a few years ago. Now I am interested in it again so ill let you know if i find it.

 

[huerter]

You have to read between the lines but Quinn basically said that he, Panarin and Strome all thought Jesper was the perfect linemate for that line. And they let him go for no good reason. It's unfathomable.

 

[Entrancemperium]

You have to read between the lines but Quinn basically said that he, Panarin and Strome all thought Jesper was the perfect linemate for that line. And they let him go for no good reason. It's unfathomable.

Well the reason was Kakko.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Fast would have been the perfect guy to ride with Laf and Chytil on the 3rd line. Really going to feeling his loss.

 

[McSauer]

Fast would have been the perfect guy to ride with Laf and Chytil on the 3rd line. Really going to feeling his loss.

He'll still would've been shoehorned into the top-6...like always. (Agree on your point, as that defensive presence would be beneficial for those two.)

Great player for us, but was mostly misused--and our offence certainly suffered.

 

[huerter]

He'll still would've been shoehorned into the top-6...like always. (Agree on your point, as that defensive presence would be beneficial for those two.)

Great player for us, but was mostly misused--and our offence certainly suffered.

The Panarin line didn't score enough for your liking?

Did you guys hear the Quinn comment? There is no chance he signed off on letting Fast walk. No coach would.

 

[Harbour Dog]

He'll still would've been shoehorned into the top-6...like always. (Agree on your point, as that defensive presence would be beneficial for those two.)

Great player for us, but was mostly misused--and our offence certainly suffered.

We finished 5th in the league in goals for, and both of his most common linemates set career highs

 

[Harbour Dog]

The Panarin line didn't score enough for your liking?

Did you guys hear the Quinn comment? There is no chance he signed off on letting Fast walk. No coach would.

What was the comment?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

And they let him go for no good reason

Aside from the fact the rangers had no money to sign him of course

But yeah no good reason lol

 

[Larrybiv]

Crosby and Toews would like a word. Crosby was a shade under 20, Toews a shade over 20 when they were named captains. Both led their teams to Cup wins within a season of being named captain.

Bring em' BOTH on......I would love to have THAT word or 2 with them! You know what they would say? Yeah man, I hear where you're coming from. We were "special" and somewhat isolated incidents. Not EVERYBODY can accomplish what we did because we had a great supporting cast and the "time was right". Well, that's to Mgmts. credit and good fortune". I wish Laf the best of luck, but with all due respect he (Laf) has a MUCH BETTER supporting cast, and players like Zbad and Kreids deserve captaincy before him, his time will come."

 

[huerter]

What was the comment?

When Fast got hurt, Quinn went to 10 and 16 and said if you could describe the perfect winger to play with you guys, what would that player look like. Then when they gave their description Quinn told them that they were gonna have to contribute in the ways they described.

My inference is that they described a lot of the things that Fast did. Someone who would work to get pucks, be defensively responsible, etc.

 

[Larrybiv]

When we win the Cup, who lifts it first?

The "Captain" that everybody's badgering about. Maybe this is a conscious effort in supporting their favorite player, so that HE can raise the cup 1st. IMHO, Hank (and whichever role he has, and hell......even if he is with another team or retired or whatever.......HE should be allowed to raise that damned thing. He deserved it here with US!

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I can’t speak to how it is looked at in other sports I’m talking about hockey

But that's the point. Hockey is so f***ing full of itself with this nonsense. It's just nauseating. Get over yourself with your nonsense mythology.

 

[SA16]

But that's the point. Hockey is so f***ing full of itself with this nonsense. It's just nauseating. Get over yourself with your nonsense mythology.

Somehow "Hockey is different" even though pretty much every other league either has no captains or rotating captains on a per-game basis. It's weird.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Somehow "Hockey is different" even though pretty much every other league either has no captains or rotating captains on a per-game basis. It's weird.

It's very important in the NFL it allows you to call heads or tails during every away game.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Fast would have been the perfect guy to ride with Laf and Chytil on the 3rd line. Really going to feeling his loss.

Wait for the Berard Bonanza

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Jesper Fast had 29 points last year, 29. His linemates may have both put up career years but he didn’t contribute much on the scoresheet. He will be missed as a top defensive forward, energy guy, and penalty killer, that’s all.

 

[we want cup]

There’s a reason Fast won the Players’ Player Award five times. Having a top defensive player on the ice allows guys like Panarin and Strome to play more aggressively, even against dangerous opponents, because they know they’re covered.

 

[NYR]

Jesper Fast had 29 points last year, 29. His linemates may have both put up career years but he didn’t contribute much on the scoresheet. He will be missed as a top defensive forward, energy guy, and penalty killer, that’s all.

Yeah but points alone aren't going to win shit.
Not every player needs to put up an 80 point season.
You have to have those extra components to the game in order to win..

 

[NYblades]

“For a guy who’s that size, can skate and is an honest player, and he’s got some skill to complement that, he’s got a chance to be a good player for us,” Quinn said of Barron, the 6-foot-4, 220-pound rookie out of Cornell whom the coach first took note of while he was behind the Boston University bench. “When that is, who knows, we’re going to find out, but I certainly like what I’ve seen so far.”

As a longtime follower of Cornell hockey, I'm glad to see Barron doing well in camp.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/05/artemi-panarin-has-better-feel-for-rangers-in-year-2/

 

[Kendo]

“For a guy who’s that size, can skate and is an honest player, and he’s got some skill to complement that, he’s got a chance to be a good player for us,” Quinn said of Barron, the 6-foot-4, 220-pound rookie out of Cornell whom the coach first took note of while he was behind the Boston University bench. “When that is, who knows, we’re going to find out, but I certainly like what I’ve seen so far.”

As a longtime follower of Cornell hockey, I'm glad to see Barron doing well in camp.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/05/artemi-panarin-has-better-feel-for-rangers-in-year-2/

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Is this directed at me, because that isn't what I said at all. I said someone who has never played sports(or any team activity for that matter) probably doesn't understand the honor it is to be named the captain of a team and what a special feeling it is for that player. The players absolutely look up to that player, especially young players. So yea it is a pretty decent deal to the player chosen, and his teammates. It's not just for show.

Normally I would never use that cliché', but in this is fits perfect because how does someone who never played a sport know that feeling?

This has nothing to do with knowing the game whether you played it or not.

I played sports for more than half my life. There's a million things that give you the same feeling or better. It's like someone else said. people are really exaggerating/romanticizing what captaincy of a sports team is like. It is really nice and an honor but it is not unique. Clearly you dont mean to sound this way but it comes off as fairly elitist or (i don't mean this in a nasty way) naive to think that the feeling of being named captain in sports is this special, unique thing that normies can't even fathom.

Then again individual mileage can vary. It's possible someone's life somehow ends up being so devoid of similar experiences as they get older that they assume that sports are the only arena that can give you this feeling. Maybe you have tons of great experiences but for whatever reason none of it is similar to sports captaincy

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I played sports for more than half my life. There's a million things that give you the same feeling or better. It's like someone else said. people are really exaggerating/romanticizing what captaincy of a sports team is like. It is really nice and an honor but it is not unique. Clearly you dont mean to sound this way but it comes off as fairly elitist or (i don't mean this in a nasty way) naive to think that the feeling of being named captain in sports is this special, unique thing that normies can't even fathom.

Then again individual mileage can vary. It's possible someone's life somehow ends up being so devoid of similar experiences as they get older that they assume that sports are the only arena that can give you this feeling. Maybe you have tons of great experiences but for whatever reason none of it is similar to sports captaincy

Your opinion, guess i took sports more serious than you, have a feeling these NHLers do as well. But whatever makes you happy, even if that’s eating that big bowl of fruit loops on a sunday morning.