GDT: Training Camp 2021: Everyone Else Too Lazy to Make a Thread
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Oscar Lindberg
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Crease
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I have tried reading Infinite Jest on multiple occasions and could never get past page 100 (or footnote 1,273).
NYR94
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Watching people take something literally when it is clearly a figure of speech in the last few pages is pretty funny.
"Oh come on, no one cares" does not usually mean literally not one player cares. That poster is expressing how few guys really care beyond a surface level. Someone said it best, fans romanticize the captaincy beyond what they should.
Everyone usually ignores it all season except occasionally one or two posters get to go "Is the burden weighing his game down!!!!????". The way some of you salivate over this captain talk reminds me of when my friends and I were geeking out over who the white power ranger might be
"Why do fans care" is a rhetorical question. It's a way of saying, "You care way too much. Chill"
There is one perfect response now to this post.
"Who do you care?"
Followed by me answering the rhetorical question
"Oh come on, no one cares" does not usually mean literally not one player cares. That poster is expressing how few guys really care beyond a surface level. Someone said it best, fans romanticize the captaincy beyond what they should.
Everyone usually ignores it all season except occasionally one or two posters get to go "Is the burden weighing his game down!!!!????". The way some of you salivate over this captain talk reminds me of when my friends and I were geeking out over who the white power ranger might be
"Why do fans care" is a rhetorical question. It's a way of saying, "You care way too much. Chill"
There is one perfect response now to this post.
"Who do you care?"
Followed by me answering the rhetorical question
Everyone loves a good "old guy without a cup" story, so obviously Jack Johnson would lift it and then pass it to Smith.
NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
I liked Infinite Jest quite a bit, but I was in a bizarre period of my life when I read it and I pretty much only remember the tennis stuff
About the captain stuff, I'm sure if one of the two lead candidates (Zibanejad/Kreider) were really gunning for it, they'd have it.
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
I remember back in in the late 2000's before a lot of the micro-analytics came about, I did my own 2 season analysis of Henrik and his woes with the puck. The Rangers were having such trouble scoring and I brought up the point that he was a contributor of that by stunting the offensive breakouts. Some took issue with it so I presented facts to back it up.
I found that he was killing 2-4 breakouts on average per GAME (sometimes 6-8!) by either putting his defenseman in horrible positions, reversing the puck in the wrong direction or flat out giving the puck away. Most importantly, during those moments he was contributing to several minutes more of possession for the opposition. I loved Hank, but he was a horrific puck handler. Far below average.
Obviously these weren't perfect stats and the subjectivity of them could be debated, but there was enough data there to show the importance of a good puck handling goalie. If you are average, things seem to even out. But if you are exceptional at it, it can really change things for your team.
Case in point - check out the NHL rule book, rule 27.8.
It's like Groundhog day here. I love Avery if for no other reason he gave people some unique things to talk about. Doesn't matter who the captain is the same people make the same points and counter points about it.
Doesnt matter who the prospect is: Same points, counterpoints with lots of line projections and "if he does this and that guy does that and if this Dman does this we could be x"
Every year. Same thing. What's really scary is when you find yourself doing it, stop typing and then just finish posting it anyway.
The best is the constant oscillating "Worst team ever" vs "We could go on a run in the PO's" talk every time there's a hot or cold streak. It's been almost a decade since satyrbyk's legendary "this is not a good hockey team" and not a season goes by where half the damn board does the same shit anyway.
What gets me is there's no need to. There is so much to talk about in hockey. HF hockey talk is like the McDonald's of hockey talk. Lots of volume, low quality, almost no substance.
We don't even get it tasting good. Usually tastes like crap and straw. Lots of straw. So why am I here!?
Idk. I'm not really here much anymore. Came back bc the one good thing is you get a miniscule drip feed of actual news and inside info here. Like what's going on in training camp.
Just have to sort through piles of crap to get it.
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Fitzy
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Assistant coach Henrik Lundqvist
Shesterkybomb
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Same can be said for Staal and his inability to properly move the puck since his eye injury. I don't know how many times i was ready to throw the remote when the pass isn't made and then he pins the puck along the wall, meanwhile the forwards are leaving the zone and have to turn back. I seriously think we are a much faster team without him who will move out of our zone easier.
HockeyBasedNYC
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Synergy27
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The Marty Brodeur Devils weren't elite defensively only because Fatso was great at stopping the puck. The league didn't institute major changes to the rink layout/rules because puck handling at the goaltender position is inconsequential.
Who knows if Shesty can reach Brodeur levels of efficiency playing the puck, but he will be, at a minimum, a HUGE upgrade over Hank in that department. Makes the life of our mediocre defenseman much, much easier.
How could it not be covid? Or quarantining? If it was a minor injury would he be allowed into the facilities to get some kind of treatment? I really don't know when he arrived from Sweden?
I just hope we get to vote for all star game candidates again... Jack Johnson... come on down.
IronBloodedLion
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I’m really interested in how the younger “depth guys” like Barron do. They’re incredibly vital to the future of the team.
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
A goalie giveaway can be measured, but sloooowwlly reversing it around to the weak side on one of your defenseman's stick in the far corner of the rink with a hard F1 bearing down him can't. It always seemed like Hank was indecisive and when he finally moved it he faked out his own team. I never understood why he didnt work on that part of his game more and when they brought Biron in who was a very good puck-handler in his own right, I thought he would rub off on him. Didnt happen.
To your point, there are a lot of little things a player does that isnt necessarily accounted for, both positive and negative.
Makes a huge difference. Having a goalie that can actually play the puck crisply to the d or even forwards rather than have to leave the puck for your dman and have the opposition forward come full speed to check your dman into the boards and cause a turnover (especially to a dman like Staal who had very little quickness).
Fitzy
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Yeah I don’t know how quantifiable the impact of goaltender puck skills is, but it seems to me a nice X factor like having a mobile quarterback- it expands the list of options for breakout plays and helps bail out of bad situations. I miss cam Talbots handling
NYSPORTS
back afta dis. . .
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GoAwayGiannone
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