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Menzinger said:
Good value
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I would have taken him at that. It is a little bit less than I thought but I didn't expect him to get over 1.5 mill. He's from Minnesota so he probably took less to stay home, especially since he's made good money in his career.

I am sure the Leafs will have a bunch of deals like that. Simmonds was just one, but it will likely be a huge competition.
 
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Lumberg said:
Difficult? It would be stupid
How they even entertained the idea of bringing him back if true, shows you how out of touch they are
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It tells you that it likely is not true, or the Leafs were willing to engage, heard that number, and are likely done with Andersen if he does not drastically come down by a lot.

I highly doubt anyone is stupid enough to pay him anywhere close to that number.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
I would have taken him at that. It is a little bit less than I thought but I didn't expect him to get over 1.5 mill. He's from Minnesota so he probably took less to stay home, especially since he's made good money in his career.

I am sure the Leafs will have a bunch of deals like that. Simmonds was just one, but it will likely be a huge competition.
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Agreed that there are likely a pile of these cheap deals signed. This flat cap might have helped Dubas a lot more than it hurt.
 
Korg said:
Bjugstad gave his hometown team a decent discount.
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So how close to that will the Leafs get Bozak for? 44pt pace playing under 15:00 TOI so solid production for close to #3c minutes and way better on FO than Bjugstad. To be fair Nick's pp60 is better and at 28 his chances of meeting or exceeding this season's results are better than with Boz. But he did not pk and was dead weight in limited pp time so on a one year deal I think I choose Tyler for the right money.
 
nuck said:
So how close to that will the Leafs get Bozak for? 44pt pace playing under 15:00 TOI so solid production for close to #3c minutes and way better on FO than Bjugstad. To be fair Nick's pp60 is better and at 28 his chances of meeting or exceeding this season's results are better than with Boz. But he did not pk and was dead weight in limited pp time so on a one year deal I think I choose Tyler for the right money.
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Bozak is worth 1.5 mill if he is not taking a discount.

So probably under 1 mill if he took a discount to come back here.
 
Rude Dog said:
I just want to trade 3 million of Marners cap but keep Marner.:sarcasm:
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The issue is not even his cap hit. I don't think a 3 mill player makes the difference. Marner just flat out sucked and outside of him making far less than he is worth, the money was not the reason we lost. He doesn't need to figure out how to be an 11 million dollar player... He needs to figure out how to be an impactful player. That will make him worth his 11 mill.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
It tells you that it likely is not true, or the Leafs were willing to engage, heard that number, and are likely done with Andersen if he does not drastically come down by a lot.

I highly doubt anyone is stupid enough to pay him anywhere close to that number.
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I don't see why Andersen wouldn't ask for a number that's close to what Braden Holtby got. Similar age and save %. That might have to be the benchmark. Doesn't mean he'll get it, but $4.3mill is the number he will likely throw out.
 
showtime8 said:
I don't see why Andersen wouldn't ask for a number that's close to what Braden Holtby got. Similar age and save %. That might have to be the benchmark. Doesn't mean he'll get it, but $4.3mill is the number he will likely throw out.
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Holtby is a Vezina and Cup winner. Andersen is not. He should not be anywhere close to Holtby's number.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
Holtby is a Vezina and Cup winner. Andersen is not. He should not be anywhere close to Holtby's number.
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The Leafs signed a Hart Trophy winner and Art Ross winner last off-season.

Holtby won the award in 2016. Since that point, his GAA & Save % dropped significantly.
 
showtime8 said:
The Leafs signed a Hart Trophy winner and Art Ross winner last off-season.

Holtby won the award in 2016. Since that point, his GAA & Save % dropped significantly.
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15 years ago. Even if you want to say 4 years is a long time (it really is not), Holtby won the Cup in 2018 where he was a major part of their win.

Andersen has not done anything even remotely close to that level, and he is not exactly in is prime anymore. They are not in the same realm, and should not be remotely similar in terms of contracts.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
15 years ago. Even if you want to say 4 years is a long time (it really is not), Holtby won the Cup in 2018 where he was a major part of their win.

Andersen has not done anything even remotely close to that level, and he is not exactly in is prime anymore. They are not in the same realm, and should not be remotely similar in terms of contracts.
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Neither goalie is in their prime and you can't be paying for past success.

Here's a breakdown of the last 4 years for each goalie:

Holtby - 20-21 -- 21 gms, 3.67GAA, 0.889 SV%
19-20 -- 48 gms, 3.11 GAA, 0.897SV%
18-19 -- 59 gms, 2.82 GAA, 0.911SV%
17-18 -- 54 gms, 2.99 GAA, 0.907SV%

Andersen --- 20-21, 24gms, 2.96GAA, 0.895SV%
19-20, 52 gms, 2.85GAA, 0.909 SV%
18-19, 60 gms, 2.77GAA, 0.917SV%
17-18, 66 gms, 2.81GAA, 0.918SV%
 
showtime8 said:
Neither goalie is in their prime and you can't be paying for past success.

Here's a breakdown of the last 4 years for each goalie:

Holtby - 20-21 -- 21 gms, 3.67GAA, 0.889 SV%
19-20 -- 48 gms, 3.11 GAA, 0.897SV%
18-19 -- 59 gms, 2.82 GAA, 0.911SV%
17-18 -- 54 gms, 2.99 GAA, 0.907SV%

Andersen --- 20-21, 24gms, 2.96GAA, 0.895SV%
19-20, 52 gms, 2.85GAA, 0.909 SV%
18-19, 60 gms, 2.77GAA, 0.917SV%
17-18, 66 gms, 2.81GAA, 0.918SV%
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Vancouver paid for past success. If what you say is true, it does not change the fact that Andersen should not be getting that contract.

Ultimately, I don't care if he gets it from someone else. It works out better for us that way.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Vancouver paid for past success. If what you say is true, it does not change the fact that Andersen should not be getting that contract.

Ultimately, I don't care if he gets it from someone else. It works out better for us that way.
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Agree that Leafs should not be paying Andersen anywhere close to that. I would take him back under 2mill because you know that he's going to be a back-up and you'll eventually need to pay Campbell if you're keeping him.

But I was just trying to point out what Andersen's agent is going to use when he goes into the UFA market.
 
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