Trades & Free Agency Thread - Still Too Soon Off-Season Edition

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It seems like Sandin has surpassed Liljegren...I don't know how much longer we can leave him in the AHL though. Is it time that we move him while he still has perceived value to other teams? If so, who would people like to see him moved for?
 
It seems like Sandin has surpassed Liljegren...I don't know how much longer we can leave him in the AHL though. Is it time that we move him while he still has perceived value to other teams? If so, who would people like to see him moved for?

Nope, now is the time to put him on our roster and start his development at the highest level

He's to good to just give up on now
 
Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Bogosian
Dermott Liljegren

Holl goes to Seattle or gets traded. Give Bogosian 2m and more usage. Let Liljegren push him either down the lineup or push him to perform to perform closer to Muzzin level.
 
Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Bogosian
Dermott Liljegren

Holl goes to Seattle or gets traded. Give Bogosian 2m and more usage. Let Liljegren push him either down the lineup or push him to perform to perform closer to Muzzin level.
Where is Sandin? Something has to give on the blueline imo
 
I don't think we can just move on from Rielly and turn the PP1 QB keys over to Sandin and not expect some major problems over the course of 82 games. That's setting up a kid to jump from NHL tweener to prime time roster responsibilities with very little time logged and the way he was targeted and exposed in the playoffs will be a constant theme.

Agreed. The more I think about it, the more I believe Rielly needs to be signed not moved. He's not perfect, but he does a lot of good things and is one guy who seems capable of raising his game when it matters most.
 
Agreed. The more I think about it, the more I believe Rielly needs to be signed not moved. He's not perfect, but he does a lot of good things and is one guy who seems capable of raising his game when it matters most.
I love Rielly but the tricky thing is the top PP situation. Are you paying Rielly 6.5 mil to play on your 2nd PP and be mediocre defensively. 6.5 mil just for 5 on 5 offense from the blueline seems like a lot. I think we have to figure out who our top PP d of the future is. Is it Rielly or Sandin? Once that is settled we can figure out where to go from there.
 
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I love Rielly but the tricky thing is the top PP situation. Are you paying Rielly 6.5 mil to play on your 2nd PP and be mediocre defensively. 6.5 mil just for 5 on 5 offense from the blueline seems like a lot. I think we have to figure out who our top PP d of the future is. Is it Rielly or Sandin? Once that is settled we can figure out where to go from there.

Personally I would move on from Rielly, especially if he's asking for 6.5 million. He's been declining offensively the last 2 years while playing top minutes and on the number one PP. His defensive game has also seemed to be declining as well and relying on Brodie to constantly cover for him. I would much rather trade Rielly and look for more of a complete defenseman.
 
It seems like Sandin has surpassed Liljegren...I don't know how much longer we can leave him in the AHL though. Is it time that we move him while he still has perceived value to other teams? If so, who would people like to see him moved for?
Sandin hasn't surpassed Liljegren, but the team seems to show favoritism towards Sandin
Why would we move Lilly after developing him for many years? Lets not give up on him now that he is ready to play on the big team.
 
I'm not quite convinced he is ready. A lot of people have him replacing Rielly already. I'm not even sure he's ready to replace any of the 3 LD I listed. :dunno:
Lol ya I definitely don't have him replacing Rielly! He has a ways to go. Just see him as above Liljegren on the depth chart, seeing as he's younger and has more NHL experience. Coaching staff clearly see something more in him than Liljegren for whatever reason
 
He isn't ready for the NHL especially defensively.
I won't argue that. Try telling the coaches that though. Or even the majority fan base. He's pencilled in to pretty much every lineup. And by all indications it seems to be trending that way. Id keep Dermott over Sandin personally. I'd get a guy like Oleksiak and play him with Liljegren on the third pairing rather than have Sandin. I'd play Dermott on the second pairing with Muzzin over Holl. However I don't make the calls, and all indications point towards Sandin being an NHLer this coming year
 
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Lol ya I definitely don't have him replacing Rielly! He has a ways to go. Just see him as above Liljegren on the depth chart, seeing as he's younger and has more NHL experience. Coaching staff clearly see something more in him than Liljegren for whatever reason

They aren't even on the same depth chart. Sandin is a LD, Liljegren is a RD. I guess the Leafs could jump through hoops to fit Sandin in the lineup over Liljegren when Liljegren has outperformed Sandin in the AHL and Sandin has not consistently proven to be an NHL capable defender at any point in his extended NHL stints.

Not saying Liljegren looked great in most of his 13 game NHL career to this point, but he has certainly looked more refined at the AHL level (vs. Sandin) and he looks like a guy who just needs more than 13 games in the NHL to adjust. Heck he was pretty good in his two games with the Leafs this year, although he was in a very sheltered role so that should not come as a surprise.
 
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Sandin hasn't surpassed Liljegren, but the team seems to show favoritism towards Sandin
Why would we move Lilly after developing him for many years? Lets not give up on him now that he is ready to play on the big team.
I'm saying if they choose not to play him. They've definitely shown favouritism towards Sandin over Liljegren, yes. That's my point exactly. And I don't want a defence next year with two rookies in Sandin and Lilly. Recipe for disaster. My point was if we aren't going to play the poor guy, we should consider moving him. Right or wrong, you saying he's developed and ready means nothing come puck drop. Point was simply if we aren't going to play him for whatever reason, we should try and get an asset back for him, instead of keeping him in the AHL year after year. If you think he's developed and ready, maybe another GM in the league does too.
 
They aren't even on the same depth chart. Sandin is a LD, Liljegren is a RD. I guess the Leafs could jump through hoops to fit Sandin in the lineup over Liljegren when Liljegren has outperformed Sandin in the AHL and Sandin has not consistently proven to be an NHL capable defender at any point in his extended NHL stints.

Not saying Liljegren looked great in most of his 13 game NHL career to this point, but he has certainly looked more refined at the AHL level (vs. Sandin) and he looks like a guy who just needs more than 13 games in the NHL to adjust. Heck he was pretty good in his two games with the Leafs this year, although he was in a very sheltered role so that should not come as a surprise.
For the record, I'm not saying one way or another. I said if we play Sandin over Liljegren, after all this time, maybe we should consider moving him for an asset. Everyone jumping on me like I'm pro Sandin and dislike Lilly haha unless everyone wants to see the coaching staff pick Sandin like they always seem to, and put Lilly on the Marlies yet again. I'm not the one making the coaching decisions. Sandin would appear to have a leg up on a spot based on prior decisions. Not sure how this makes me such a bad guy lol I don't want us to bury Lilly in the minors year after year either, until we get rid of him for a Bracco level return. If we aren't going to play him, we should make a move. For the record, I'm not the one not playing him. I'm not Keefe. And I'm not saying I like Sandin better. I'm simply stating facts.
 
I say keep the top 4 the same if possible (Muzzin, Brodie, Rielly, Holl) and then just have a LD version of Bogosian on the bottom pairing playing with Liljegren.

Bogosian moves on or is the 7th defenseman next year. Sandin is in the AHL where he belongs right now. Trade Dermott.
I think Hjalmarsson could be that guy.
 
What I'm hoping Dubas is currently doing.

I'm hoping he's been in discussions with teams regarding Rielly and potential deals.

If Seattle takes Kerfoot in the expansion draft, then I hope Dubas is quick to move Rielly shortly after before the free agency period to give us some more flexibility.

For example-

To Toronto-
Kempe
8th overall pick

To Kings-
Rielly
Mikheyev/Engvall

Kempe replaces Kerfoot as our 3rd line center for only $2 million.
With the 8th overall pick, you take Brandt Clarke if he's available. Kid could end up being the best defenseman in the draft. Or maybe use the 8th overall pick as currency to find a younger more well rounded defenseman.
 
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What I'm hoping Dubas is currently doing.

I'm hoping he's been in discussions with teams regarding Rielly and potential deals.

If Seattle takes Kerfoot in the expansion draft, then I hope Dubas is quick to move Rielly shortly after before the free agency period to give us some more flexibility.

For example-

To Toronto-
Kempe
8th overall pick

To Kings-
Rielly
Mikheyev/Engvall

Kempe replaces Kerfoot as our 3rd line center for only $2 million.
With the 8th overall pick, you take Brandt Clarke if he's available. Kid could end up being the best defenseman in the draft. Or maybe use the 8th overall pick as currency to find a younger more well rounded defenseman.

I like this idea. T0 better it you go out and sign Hamilton with dollars saved on Reilly and Kerfoot.

Sandin-Brodie
Muzzin-Hamilton
Dermott-Holl
 
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