Trades & Free Agency Thread - Still Too Soon Off-Season Edition

[Brobust]

Why is Sandin untouchable? If there is a good trade, he should available.

I'm sure he's not untouchable. But I think the price would be unreasonable.

 

[rumman]

Why is Sandin untouchable? If there is a good trade, he should available.

This should be the case for every player, lose the fan boy attachments to players, if trading them improves the team everyone should be happy.

 

[Dreakmur]

Exactly, a steady stream of reinforcements is what kept Chicago afloat for so long as they traded away non-core RFAs that they couldn't afford. Every year they graduated a Saad, Shaw, Kruger, Teravainen, Hartman, Schmaltz etc. and kept on rolling.

We were doing that well for a few seasons. Hyman and Brown graduated at the end of 2015-16 and became full-timers in 2016-17, then Kapanen, then Johnsson. But the well dried up and management has resorted to signing washed vets and taking flyers on Euro-leaguers.

And we started trading 1st and 2nd round picks.

 

[Gabriel426]

The Salary Cap.

We need good players on cheap contracts.

I just don’t think he is that good.

 

[Gabriel426]

I'm sure he's not untouchable. But I think the price would be unreasonable.

what is his price though? A swap of other young Dman like him or someone who is a bit older but a solid mid pairing Dman? Like a more consistent and better Dermott.

This should be the case for every player, lose the fan boy attachments to players, if trading them improves the team everyone should be happy.

Agree. Sandin got the IQ to be a top Dman but his size and skating will most likely limit him in the NHL.

 

[Dreakmur]

I just don’t think he is that good.

I don't really like him either, but Dubas isn't trading him.

They're going to shoe-horn him onto the top PP unit, so he piled up points just before he finishes his ELC....

 

[rumman]

what is his price though? A swap of other young Dman like him or someone who is a bit older but a solid mid pairing Dman? Like a more consistent and better Dermott.



Agree. Sandin got the IQ to be a top Dman but his size and skating will most likely limit him in the NHL.

Being small and not mobile is a bad combination for a NHL D man.

 

[Stephen]

He's not as good as his peak but it's a good risk for LAK.

Not a good risk for Toronto.

Yeah, LA can afford the roll of the dice on this one.

 

[Gabriel426]

I don't really like him either, but Dubas isn't trading him.

They're going to shoe-horn him onto the top PP unit, so he piled up points just before he finishes his ELC....

Well, you are assuming our PP will score, lol

 

[Gabriel426]

Being small and not mobile is a bad combination for a NHL D man.

I never realize his skating is his problem till this season. I always thought he can skate

 

[Stephen]

I just don’t think he is that good.

I have my nagging doubts about him as well. His wheels are brutal and at his size, I'm wincing every time he throws a big hit. Just makes you wonder about all the glowing write ups about his agility and smooth stride over the past few years.

 

[Dreakmur]

Well, you are assuming our PP will score, lol

They will for the first 30 games. Then the other teams will adjust and Keefe will wonder why it's not working anymore.

 

[Stephen]

How many wings are there in UFA that you'd bet on getting a better offensive player than "prime" (aka all but one year) Galchenyuk?

Well the issue is Galchenyuk has been identified as a very low IQ player who can burn you and that tendency almost got him bounced from the NHL. We saw a little bit of that in Game 5 with the massive OT turnover after he was front and center on the 3-0 come back. So if that game is a little microcosm of what Galchenyuk will do for you over a season, expect good offensive production and some real piss off break downs at vulnerable moments in the game. His value will be the delta between those two extremes.

 

[Kiwi]

I never realize his skating is his problem till this season. I always thought he can skate

His 4 way mobility is good but he's poor in a straight line, that's why he gets burned in a straight foot race but can defend his own blueline

 

[4thline]

Well the issue is Galchenyuk has been identified as a very low IQ player who can burn you and that tendency almost got him bounced from the NHL. We saw a little bit of that in Game 5 with the massive OT turnover after he was front and center on the 3-0 come back. So if that game is a little microcosm of what Galchenyuk will do for you over a season, expect good offensive production and some real piss off break downs at vulnerable moments in the game. His value will be the delta between those two extremes.

I'm just thinking in terms of maximizing the effectiveness of our LW spend. How far is AG off of Hoffman in terms of offensive impact? IMO not much. Also not any worse defensively. A rough year plus his defensive warts has him perceived as a "bargain bin" level player, but the guy is a top 6 talent. Bringing him back for two years anywhere under 2m per would be a hugely underrated move, and leaves decent money to go after a couple guys with more two way ability

 

[ToneDog]

I'm just thinking in terms of maximizing the effectiveness of our LW spend. How far is AG off of Hoffman in terms of offensive impact? IMO not much. Also not any worse defensively. A rough year plus his defensive warts has him perceived as a "bargain bin" level player, but the guy is a top 6 talent. Bringing him back for two years anywhere under 2m per would be a hugely underrated move, and leaves decent money to go after a couple guys with more two way ability

Hoffman had 36 points in 52 games (and probably hated playing) last season. If he comes without baggage, he is a no brainer over Gally but I'd be happy if we had both.

 

[Legion34]

Scores when it matters.

Scoring has mattered…….. twice?

 

[htpwn]

I agree that some question marks around Sandin emerged this year, but it is probably worth noting that he played 10GP all year and then was thrown into a playoff series. The coaching staff really didn't put him in a position to succeed.

 

[Amadeus]

Scoring has mattered…….. twice?

Could have pushed us over this year.

He's a really good player.

 

[tronoleaf]

Sure glad Dubas traded a 1st for Foligno instead of a 2nd for Arvidsson or Hall.

 

[Stephen]

Sure glad Dubas traded a 1st for Foligno instead of a 2nd for Arvidsson or Hall.

I'm hardly a Dubas fan, but Arvidsson scored 1 more point than Foligno.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'm hardly a Dubas fan, but Arvidsson scored 1 more point than Foligno.

Arvidsson's back was destroyed by Bortuzzo.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I'm hardly a Dubas fan, but Arvidsson scored 1 more point than Foligno.

yeah, but the price was lower and there's a lot more of a chance that Arvidsson bounces back with the Leafs than there was of Foligno contributing much. Arvidsson may have been the wrong fit because of his contract, but Dubas probably should start trying to find undervalued players rather than pay a much higher price for comparable/worse players

 

[Stephen]

Arvidsson's back was destroyed by Bortuzzo.

Sure, doesn’t make him a great trade target though.

 

[Stephen]

yeah, but the price was lower and there's a lot more of a chance that Arvidsson bounces back with the Leafs than there was of Foligno contributing much. Arvidsson may have been the wrong fit because of his contract, but Dubas probably should start trying to find undervalued players rather than pay a much higher price for comparable/worse players

Arvidsson is a good roll of the dice for LA but we don’t have cap room for a guy who took a big hit on production after taking a big hit to the back. This isn’t really the case to make even if the Foligno deal back fired.