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Saint Blue said:
What they need to do is stop yo-yo'ing Robertson and Liljegren. Robertson's game will translate better to the NHL than it does in the AHL, especially considering how horrible the Marlies are under Moore. I watched a majority of Nick's games and he spends 80% of the game chasing the puck off of broken plays because that team is an offensive blackhole that can't complete a pass. The fact he put up 16pts in 21GP as a 19 year old on that team is shocking. Don't want him in that environment again.

Brayden Point had 4pts in 9GP (AHL) when he was ~6 months younger than Robertson was. Kucherov had 24pts in 17GP, but in his D+3, while Robertson was in his D+2. Not saying NR is anywhere close to that caliber of prospect (even though he had better a better CHL season than both), but many other teams (e.g. BOS w/ Pasta) are comfortable with insulating these young guys on their NHL roster and letting them learn on the job.

You will burn a year off of his contract next season regardless. He's been through two bubble camps. It's time for a full-time job.
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Robertson's still very young, so I hesitate to be seriously critical of his game at this time...

That said, I think the organization did him no favors tinkering around with him at the bubble play-in's and hyping him as a serious roster option. Don't think he needed that kind of exposure in the press or really to be accelerated at that young age. I think it's completely fine for him to be farther back in development but the organization shouldn't be dangling him around like an imminent promotion.

His game is very raw and needs a lot of development. He's an extremely hard worker but that energy needs to be channeled better. His skating is very slow and his wide stance gives him power at the expense of mobility. I find his hockey sense to be a bit of a question mark because like you said he seems to be chasing the puck off of broken plays but also just hounding a little too hard without reading/anticipating the play in an efficient and intelligent manner (compare and contrast Caufield for example). His shot is ridiculously good, but in the limited NHL viewings he didn't know how to get in the clear either.

I don't want to give him an NHL job at all right now. He's not NHL ready at 19 with 21 games of AHL development and he's not yet an appropriate comparison for Point and Kucherov.
 
rumman said:
Man if you moved 2 of the 4, and dumped Kerfoot/Soup/Engvale the return and cap saving could really change this team for the better. Too bad management is stuck playing reruns of Groundhog Day……..
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Forsberg (6) Matthews (11.6) Silfverberg (5)
Tavares (11) Palmeri (5? UFA)

= 38.6
Current 4 = 40 million
 
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Torontonian said:
Is the third line the difference from winning the series both against CBJ and MTL? I don't look at both those series and say if our depth scored a bit more we win. Having them chip in a couple goals each series is nice, but I think we need to find ways to make our top two lines more threating and harder to match up against.

For example, Tampa Bay 3rd line is:
Gorude - 20gp, 6G 1A - 7 points
Goodrow - 16gp, 1G 3A - 4 points
Coleman - 20gp, 2G - 7A - 9 points
Johnson - 20GP, 2G - 2A - 4 points

Tampas top two lines are dominating out there because both lines are too hard to shut down. Kilorn has 17 points, Kuch has 30, Point has 23, Stamkos has 18, Palat has 11 and Cirelli has 11.

I hope Robertson becomes a key piece to the 3rd line next season that makes them a threat to scoring goals, but I think on the top two lines they need more then just someone trying to "prove themselves" that they are an NHL player like Chucky etc.
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Galchenyuk had 4 points in 6 games, and he did so with Kerfoot as his center. I don't think he would be a PPG forward, but I think he would be in the double digits if he played 20 games... And I would be totally fine with that out of a guy making < 1 mill (which is what he would make on his next deal).

I think I would rather have the bottom 6 figured out right away and not have that be much of a competition (outside of Brooks vs. Semyonov) than paying for guys in the top 6. Of course that depends on what you can get for the top 6, but if I had a choice, I would trust that our Big 4 can figure out how to play with anyone and bring them up to their level.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Galchenyuk had 4 points in 6 games, and he did so with Kerfoot as his center. I don't think he would be a PPG forward, but I think he would be in the double digits if he played 20 games... And I would be totally fine with that out of a guy making < 1 mill (which is what he would make on his next deal).

I think I would rather have the bottom 6 figured out right away and not have that be much of a competition (outside of Brooks vs. Semyonov) than paying for guys in the top 6. Of course that depends on what you can get for the top 6, but if I had a choice, I would trust that our Big 4 can figure out how to play with anyone and bring them up to their level.
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3 of those 4 points were in one game, the other 5 he wasn't very useful, I like Chucky, good on him for showing up and working hard for half the year but I just feel like the Leafs need to find a way of trying to better the big boys game then rather then try to just shuffle the lesser players and put them on the top two lines. Nylander was real good for us against MTL he really elevated the game of those two.

As it stands, its almost like the bottom 6 of the roster is filled assuming we lose Kerfoot to trade/expansion. Brooks is interchangeable for another 700k - 1m 4th line C. I remember Hyman/Engvall/Soupman looked real good as our third line for the short amount of time they were together as well. I am hoping Robertson is ready for the NHL come October and we can use that cheap contract to save money for other parts of our roster. Maybe even with him being on that line and with his shot, they can produce some goals.

XXX (Could be Robertson) - Engvall - Soupman
Spezza - Brooks - Simmonds.
 
Trapper said:
You could flank Matthews with a Forsberg and Silfverberg for the 11 million.
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I'd move Nylander with Matthews and then Forsberg and Tavares together. Then with the savings of almost 5 mil you could possibly bring in a playmaker for that Tavares line like Granlund who might cost 4 mil at most.

Granlund-Tavares-Forsberg line doesn't sound too bad. Good two way responsible line that can also kill you offensively and are pretty good along the boards and all areas of the ice.

If you do move Kerfoot, Holl and Engvall also then that'd free up some more space to either bring in some depth for the 3rd line and either bring back Gally cheap for that Matthews wing or have Robertson play there if he earns the spot. Or maybe they want to bring in a Goodrow type player to play in that spot. A lot of possibilities.
 
A player I wouldn't mind looking into is Strome. I still think he can turn his career around into a solid 3rd line center
He has decent size and skills not a liability

Ryan Murray I think can be had for cheap. he's not very good D, but he's good enough and better than Holl
I have zero confidence in Holl. He looked really out of place against the Habs

lilly and/or Sandin really should ahead of him
 
Marner, Holl, Hallander to Columbus for Jones, our '21 1st and a '21 5th
Kerfoot, Mikheyev, Liljegren to Arizona for Crouse, Fischer and a '21 4th

Protect 8 Skaters: Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, Crouse, Rielly, Jones, Muzzin, Brodie, Campbell
Expose: Fischer, Dermott, Hutchinson

FA Signings:

Phillip Danault: 5M/4 years
Brandon Saad: 4.0M/4 years
Nick Bjugstad: 2.5M/2 years
Nick Foligno: 1.5M/1 year
Alex Galchenyuk: 1M/1 year
Zach Bogosian: 1.25/ 2 years

After Seattle chooses Dermott - assuming here, Fischer and Hutchinson having imo lesser value - move Fischer for a low pick (4th? could you get at 3rd for a 24 year old LW/RW?) and move up Joey Anderson leaving 5.173M to sign a FA goalie and 7th D.

Galchenyuk Matthews Nylander
Crouse Tavares Saad
Foligno Danault Spezza
Engvall Bjugstad Simmonds (rotate Simmonds and Spezza as required, or if Anderson shines, drop Simmonds to the Marlies)
Robertson Brooks Anderson

Muzzin Jones
Rielly Brodie
Sandin Bogo
?

Campbell
? (I'll leave that decision to people far smarter than me)

Kessel: 1.2M (last year, huzzah)

2021 Picks: 25th OA/2nd round/4th/2 5ths/6th + the return on a Fischer trade.
 
meefer said:
Marner, Holl, Hallander to Columbus for Jones, our '21 1st and a '21 5th
Kerfoot, Mikheyev, Liljegren to Arizona for Crouse, Fischer and a '21 4th

Protect 8 Skaters: Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, Crouse, Rielly, Jones, Muzzin, Brodie, Campbell
Expose: Fischer, Dermott, Hutchinson

FA Signings:

Phillip Danault: 5M/4 years
Brandon Saad: 4.0M/4 years
Nick Bjugstad: 2.5M/2 years
Nick Foligno: 1.5M/1 year
Alex Galchenyuk: 1M/1 year
Zach Bogosian: 1.25/ 2 years

After Seattle chooses Dermott - assuming here, Fischer and Hutchinson having imo lesser value - move Fischer for a low pick (4th? could you get at 3rd for a 24 year old LW/RW?) and move up Joey Anderson leaving 5.173M to sign a FA goalie and 7th D.

Galchenyuk Matthews Nylander
Crouse Tavares Saad
Foligno Danault Spezza
Engvall Bjugstad Simmonds (rotate Simmonds and Spezza as required, or if Anderson shines, drop Simmonds to the Marlies)
Robertson Brooks Anderson

Muzzin Jones
Rielly Brodie
Sandin Bogo
?

Campbell
? (I'll leave that decision to people far smarter than me)

Kessel: 1.2M (last year, huzzah)

2021 Picks: 25th OA/2nd round/4th/2 5ths/6th + the return on a Fischer trade.
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Not even JFJ would make those trades.
 
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meefer said:
Marner, Holl, Hallander to Columbus for Jones, our '21 1st and a '21 5th
Kerfoot, Mikheyev, Liljegren to Arizona for Crouse, Fischer and a '21 4th

Protect 8 Skaters: Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, Crouse, Rielly, Jones, Muzzin, Brodie, Campbell
Expose: Fischer, Dermott, Hutchinson

FA Signings:

Phillip Danault: 5M/4 years
Brandon Saad: 4.0M/4 years
Nick Bjugstad: 2.5M/2 years
Nick Foligno: 1.5M/1 year
Alex Galchenyuk: 1M/1 year
Zach Bogosian: 1.25/ 2 years

After Seattle chooses Dermott - assuming here, Fischer and Hutchinson having imo lesser value - move Fischer for a low pick (4th? could you get at 3rd for a 24 year old LW/RW?) and move up Joey Anderson leaving 5.173M to sign a FA goalie and 7th D.

Galchenyuk Matthews Nylander
Crouse Tavares Saad
Foligno Danault Spezza
Engvall Bjugstad Simmonds (rotate Simmonds and Spezza as required, or if Anderson shines, drop Simmonds to the Marlies)
Robertson Brooks Anderson

Muzzin Jones
Rielly Brodie
Sandin Bogo
?

Campbell
? (I'll leave that decision to people far smarter than me)

Kessel: 1.2M (last year, huzzah)

2021 Picks: 25th OA/2nd round/4th/2 5ths/6th + the return on a Fischer trade.
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You just put all that work in to remodel the team but you’re gonna leave the back up goalie position to “far smarter people”???
 
Amadeus said:
Another Small player to add to our top six. Has this team not learned?
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I don't know that size was really the issue. Engvall and Thornton are huge -- what did they do? Matthews is a big dude and he didn't do shit. Hyman is a decent-sized guy who plays like he's 6'8 and he also didn't get anything done.

Arvidsson plays hard -- I can see why Dubas would want him.
 
Yeah at this point it's not about size. It's about people who actually play hard. Players who bring the Intensity/Fire/Passion/Drive/Aggressiveness

We have big guys like Mikheyev, Engvall and Justin Holl....and they all play soft as a buttercup. What a joke

I do anything to have a Brendan Gallagher or Brad Marchand type of player on our team
 
OVO16 said:
Yeah at this point it's not about size. It's about people who actually play hard. Players who bring the Intensity/Fire/Passion/Drive/Aggressiveness

We have big guys like Mikheyev, Engvall and Justin Holl....and they all play soft as a buttercup. What a joke

I do anything to have a Brendan Gallagher or Brad Marchand type of player on our team
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It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dog. Tenacity is what you need to acquire, if they’re big, all the better, but sheer size doesn’t cut it ala the Goat.
 
rumman said:
It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dog. Tenacity is what you need to acquire, if they’re big, all the better, but sheer size doesn’t cut it ala the Goat.
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Exactly. Team needs to overhaul its bottom 6.

Dubas is a smart GM...but he's having an extremely hard time identifying the right players when it comes to bringing the fire in the playoffs.
 
OVO16 said:
Exactly. Team needs to overhaul its bottom 6.

Dubas is a smart GM...but he's having an extremely hard time identifying the right players when it comes to bringing the fire in the playoffs.
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Fixed that for you: team needs to be entirely overhauled.

Dubas is a clueless GM who cannot build a cup competitive team.

:thumbu:
 
ottomaddox said:
I'm not sure if it was posted, but apparently TOR was in on Arvidsson at one point.

Dubas didn't have the assets I guess...

Predators taking and making trade calls — The Fourth Period
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They didn't have a protection slot to protect him from the expansion draft so any deal before then wouldn't have been made, and rumor was Nashville wasn't going to protect him either so instead of potentially losing him for nothing they traded him.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to see a package of Forsberg + Ekholm coming to the Leafs this off season.
 
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