Trades & Free Agency Thread - Still Too Soon Off-Season Edition

[Leaffan1991]

I may be a bit biased, but I love Provorov. I wanted us to draft him in 2015. He has such a high IQ. I foresee him continuing to develop into a #1D based on his toolbox. He's also an iron man......I don't think he's missed one game. A genetic freak! This, to me, means he's going to be around the NHL until his late 30s, at the very least. Also, even if his skill is close to Rielly's, he gives us the powerful slap from the point. We desperately need that.

Konecny is obviously not the same player as Marner. However, as mentioned, he's waaaaaaay cheaper and has potential for 82 points with Matthews (he was trending toward PPG 2 years ago). He is truly a rat too. Just check out some of the "Mic'ed Up" videos to see. LOL He hasn't shown it yet, but he has the attitude and potential to be a playoff performer, IMO.

So Provorov + Konecny = around 12 million with a lot of term
Marner + Rielly (let's say we signed him to a very cheap 6) = 18 million

That difference means adding one more very significant player or 2 top-9 free agents with grit or tenacity or whatever we're looking for.

I definitely make this deal.

Dubas would be crazy not to pull the trigger on this but I doubt philly would do it

 

[dubplatepressure]

Dubas would be crazy not to pull the trigger on this but I doubt philly would do it

Marner + Rielly for Provarov + Konecny? I am sorry but that is not good value IMO. I could see Marner + a smaller add - Dermott, etc. Not our best D regardless of if it's his UFA year.

 

[Stephen]

I actually wonder if Max Domi might not be that Chris Johnston unicorn that was discussed. Reason I think this is because he’s a tweener between a reclamation project and a quality player, has roots with the organization through his dad and is a Columbus Blue Jacket. Toronto made 3 separate deals with them and maybe he was part of ongoing talks? Couldn’t pull the trigger because his cap hit was too high at the deadline. It would probably also be a popular with the fanbase.

 

[pspot]

I actually wonder if Max Domi might not be that Chris Johnston unicorn that was discussed. Reason I think this is because he’s a tweener between a reclamation project and a quality player, has roots with the organization through his dad and is a Columbus Blue Jacket. Toronto made 3 separate deals with them and maybe he was part of ongoing talks? Couldn’t pull the trigger because his cap hit was too high at the deadline. It would probably also be a popular with the fanbase.

If his name wasn't Domi do you think there would be interest/speculation?

 

[Stephen]

If his name wasn't Domi do you think there would be interest/speculation?

From the team that brought us Alex Galchenyuk? Yeah. Standards aren't that high.

 

[mydnyte]

From the team that brought us Alex Galchenyuk? Yeah. Standards aren't that high.

if we could get Domi at the same price, for the same cost, i'd consider it, though, not a fan of any Domi, too selfish disguised as a tough team player.

 

[Stigma]

Dubas would be crazy not to pull the trigger on this but I doubt philly would do it

I agree, but it's interesting how half of us think this and the other half think it's not good value for the Leafs. Maybe it's the perfect trade if 50% think it's too much and 50% think it's too little. It's right down the middle!

 

[Stigma]

I actually wonder if Max Domi might not be that Chris Johnston unicorn that was discussed. Reason I think this is because he’s a tweener between a reclamation project and a quality player, has roots with the organization through his dad and is a Columbus Blue Jacket. Toronto made 3 separate deals with them and maybe he was part of ongoing talks? Couldn’t pull the trigger because his cap hit was too high at the deadline. It would probably also be a popular with the fanbase.

Sadly, you may have a point. Although, I wouldn't completely hate this.

 

[str8kila]

Sadly, you may have a point. Although, I wouldn't completely hate this.

Hes also hurt for half the season as of now with his surgery

 

[Stephen]

if we could get Domi at the same price, for the same cost, i'd consider it, though, not a fan of any Domi, too selfish disguised as a tough team player.

Not too interested in paying full retail for him but if there was salary retention element it could be interesting.

I wonder if there are big ticket LTIR's from poor teams the Leafs could pick up to help their cap and also recoup some picks?

 

[BlueForever75]

I believe if there is a shoe or 2 to drop its going to be Reilly and Kerfoot. Eliminating those 2 contracts in trade opens many possibilities to reshape the team. This would give the team 21 million to spend this off season. It keeps the core intact as management has stated they want to do.

I think Lilly and Sandin should be given every opportunity to be a bottom pairing dman this season. I would then target Hamilton in free agency or Hyman. He's a difference maker on the back end. Bring him home.

Replacing Kerfoot shouldnt be too difficult as the possibilities of cheaper replacements are a plenty. Cizikas? Granlund? Getzlaf? Stepan? Bozak? Perrault? Bonino? Dzingle? Danault?

To me the Leafs have plenty of depth on D with both Sandin and Lilly waiting for minutes that we should unload a contract like Reilly before he becomes the next Hyman who ends up walking away for free. If a deal with SJ can be worked out where we get a player like Kane back with SJ retaining on his yearly deal that would be great. Replaces Hyman in top 6, gives us the sand paper we need, and helps the PP. We may need to give up a pick or prospect in the deal with Reilly to have them retain. But for me it is definitely worth it.

Kane (5 million, salary retained)-Matthews-Marner
Gally (1.5 million) -Tavares-Nylander
Robertson-Granlund (3 million per) -Micheyev
Engvall-Brooks-Spezza (vet min)

Brodie-Hamilton (7 million)
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Lilly

Campbell
Rittich (2 million)

This lineup may not make use of entire salary cap space all at once. But I think it would be solid lineup that can be added to a little more later in season.

 

[4thline]

As of right now, if we trade Kerfoot, Nylander gets exposed, right?

I think that if Kerfoot is moved a non-entity that meets ED requirements is a throwin to the deal.

Ex with Vancouver, deal would be *VALUE* + Zach MacEwan.

 

[pspot]

This is what i'd do, not sure 3 is realistic (would consider Kostin + )
1) Reilly for J.T. Miller (250k retained)
2) Nylander for Boone Jenner and Korpisalo
3) Dermott and Engvall for Samuel Blais
4) Sign Hamilton 7 x 7.5 mill
5) resign Foligno, Galy, Bogo

 

[Stigma]

I believe if there is a shoe or 2 to drop its going to be Reilly and Kerfoot. Eliminating those 2 contracts in trade opens many possibilities to reshape the team. This would give the team 21 million to spend this off season. It keeps the core intact as management has stated they want to do.

I think Lilly and Sandin should be given every opportunity to be a bottom pairing dman this season. I would then target Hamilton in free agency or Hyman. He's a difference maker on the back end. Bring him home.

Replacing Kerfoot shouldnt be too difficult as the possibilities of cheaper replacements are a plenty. Cizikas? Granlund? Getzlaf? Stepan? Bozak? Perrault? Bonino? Dzingle? Danault?

To me the Leafs have plenty of depth on D with both Sandin and Lilly waiting for minutes that we should unload a contract like Reilly before he becomes the next Hyman who ends up walking away for free. If a deal with SJ can be worked out where we get a player like Kane back with SJ retaining on his yearly deal that would be great. Replaces Hyman in top 6, gives us the sand paper we need, and helps the PP. We may need to give up a pick or prospect in the deal with Reilly to have them retain. But for me it is definitely worth it.

Kane (5 million, salary retained)-Matthews-Marner
Gally (1.5 million) -Tavares-Nylander
Robertson-Granlund (3 million per) -Micheyev
Engvall-Brooks-Spezza (vet min)

Brodie-Hamilton (7 million)
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Lilly

Campbell
Rittich (2 million)

This lineup may not make use of entire salary cap space all at once. But I think it would be solid lineup that can be added to a little more later in season.

I generally like your ideas, but would prefer a meaner 3c or a meaner winger on the 3rd line.

 

[Menzinger]

Kerfoot is attractive to Seattle, but nobody else would be.

If my options were Engvall or nothing, I’d take nothing… but that’s not an option, since Seattle has to pick something. Spezza retires, so that’s nothing.

Depends how cut-throat Francis is. They could probably trade Spezza’s right back to Toronto.

The league could probably toss a fine at the Leafs if any retirement threats come from Spezza. This would be the second time, so obviously the Leafs were in on it, and it’s a subversion of the expansion draft rules.

Looking back on how the Vegas draft went, there didn't strike me as much cutthroat behavior. Before the draft people were speculating McPhee was going to get a ton of extra 1sts from side deals with teams, when in reality it was mostly mid round picks. The GMs seemingly act more as colleagues in these situations than as competitors (which imo is problematic, but that's a seperate issue).

The retirement comment at the time of waiving came from Spezza's agent, so unless the league had any direct evidence to the contrary I doubt they'd do anything against the Leafs. Given the guys age and publicity around this cheap contract it's pretty believable the player would be sincere in terms of only wanting to play for the Leafs. And the league nor Seattle could force him to report anywhere else.

We'll see either way what happens in a few weeks.

Edit: and of course.there is still time for the Leafs to sign more players that could alter their expansion position.

 

[ER89]

This is what i'd do, not sure 3 is realistic (would consider Kostin + )
1) Reilly for J.T. Miller (250k retained)
2) Nylander for Boone Jenner and Korpisalo
3) Dermott and Engvall for Samuel Blais
4) Sign Hamilton 7 x 7.5 mill
5) resign Foligno, Galy, Bogo

That. Nylander deal is ass

 

[WTFMAN99]

That. Nylander deal is ass

Hamilton isn't getting 7.75M either, it's 8-8.75M range I imagine.

 

[ER89]

Hamilton isn't getting 7.75M either, it's 8-8.75M range I imagine.

I'd agree with that for sure.

 

[VanW27]

Stay away from Hamilton, there's a reason a 6'6" "top-pairing" Dman is moving onto his 4th team in 9 seasons.

Does that look like a guy you want to go to battle with in the playoffs?

Side note, people want to dump Rielly and bring in Hamilton, Rielly has been terrific in the playoffs, is younger and a player we already know works well as a top pair with Brodie.

 

[Jozay]

I actually wonder if Max Domi might not be that Chris Johnston unicorn that was discussed. Reason I think this is because he’s a tweener between a reclamation project and a quality player, has roots with the organization through his dad and is a Columbus Blue Jacket. Toronto made 3 separate deals with them and maybe he was part of ongoing talks? Couldn’t pull the trigger because his cap hit was too high at the deadline. It would probably also be a popular with the fanbase.

Great guess, I think you're right.

 

[Brobust]

Some of these proposals make me want to run head first in to a brick wall.

 

[gyzmo]

Just messing around on capfriendly and used contract projections to make this lineup, although some of the projections seem a bit off, but who knows really. But there may be a couple million available if these projections are on the higher end. I also based it on all the big 4 and none of the highest paid D-man getting traded.

-Top two lines are virtually similar from what we had at points last year.
-Bottom six is totally revamped besides Spezza.
-2nd goalie, I'd be open to others, but I just picked Mzarek for this.
-Liljegren and Brooks are the scratches.
-Kerfoot was SEA expansion pick
-Engvall, Mikheyev, Holl were all traded to recoup picks in the middle rounds
-I will be honest, Hjalmarsson is totally based off his reputation in CHI, and I can't say I have watched many ARI games in the past few years, but is it fair to say that he can he still play bottom pairing minutes with another Swede? I would welcome back Bogosian to a similar price tag as Hjalmarsson, but not sure if he is looking to return here.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Just messing around on capfriendly and used contract projections to make this lineup, although some of the projections seem a bit off, but who knows really. But there may be a couple million available if these projections are on the higher end. I also based it on all the big 4 and none of the highest paid D-man getting traded.

-Top two lines are virtually similar from what we had at points last year.
-Bottom six is totally revamped besides Spezza.
-2nd goalie, I'd be open to others, but I just picked Mzarek for this.
-Liljegren and Brooks are the scratches.
-Kerfoot was SEA expansion pick
-Engvall, Mikheyev, Holl were all traded to recoup picks in the middle rounds
-I will be honest, Hjalmarsson is totally based off his reputation in CHI, and I can't say I have watched many ARI games in the past few years, but is it fair to say that he can he still play bottom pairing minutes with another Swede? I would welcome back Bogosian to a similar price tag as Hjalmarsson, but not sure if he is looking to return here.

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Doable and I like it. Would definitely change the complexion of this team. Could swap in Robertson for additional scoring on that left side if/when needed. Could also pull out Kuraly and Foligno and go for Coleman + Robertson, or Coleman + Joey Anderson.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Stay away from Hamilton, there's a reason a 6'6" "top-pairing" Dman is moving onto his 4th team in 9 seasons.

Does that look like a guy you want to go to battle with in the playoffs?

Side note, people want to dump Rielly and bring in Hamilton, Rielly has been terrific in the playoffs, is younger and a player we already know works well as a top pair with Brodie.

Yeah, we have more than enough players that pull the chute already. Hamilton would just exacerbate our problems.

 

[pspot]

Yeah, we have more than enough players that pull the chute already. Hamilton would just exacerbate our problems.

There are some cheaper options on right side...Larsson, demers, Savard which would be less term and cap

But would mean more of a d by committee model