Trades & Free Agency Thread - Still Too Soon Off-Season Edition

[Nylander88]

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Rielly for Konecny

Kerfoot to Seattle

Mikheyev & Dermott for Crouse & Fischer

Holl & Engvall for Picks

Marner for Tkachuk

A lot of moving parts but I love the lineup. Definitely more balanced, and aggressive.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Tkachuk sounds great. I can't imagine Calgary's coach loves the idea of Gaudreau and Marner on his team lol. His name eludes me at the moment

 

[Stigma]

If I was Dubas I would be splitting up Marner and Matthews. Let Marner carry his own line cause if he is worth 11 million he should be able to.

I would sign Galchenyuk for less than 2 million for 1 year. Hopefully, Chucky will reward the Leafs for rehabbing his game and image. I would re-acquire Kadri. Yeah I know playoff suspensions and all that stuff but he is the type of player we need most games who will drag the team into a fight. I know most will say you can't due to his suspensions but I would take chance and COL would probably do a 50% retention to move him. Kadri would help the PP.

I assume Kerfoot is lost in the expansion draft and if not dealt away for cap space.

Mik - Matthews - Nylander
Robertson - Tavares - UFA/Hyman
Galchenyuk - Kadri - Marner
Spezza - Brooks - Joey Anderson

You let Marner feed Kadri and Galchenyuk on the 3rd line with now becomes a 3rd line to worry about. Matthews and Tavares can run their own lines.

More balanced with all 4 lines able to score. Each line has a forechecker, passer, and at least 1 finisher on the line.

Yeah, we could add some more grit/warriors but still not bad.

This is not my favourite line-up (compared to what others are posting), but it's probably the most realistic given what we've been hearing about the Leafs sticking with the status quo. Although Marner would be on the 1st or 2nd line, Mik in the bottom six, and hopefully someone new on the wing in the top 6.

 

[Knies iT]

Like I said, they'd have to step into their identity as a high octane purely offensive focused team.

Colorado did fantastically with Makar carrying their fist pair and Girard carrying the 2nd pair.

Girard was completely exposed in the playoffs. He got abused.

I don’t mind the idea of Hamilton but you can’t have both him and Rielly long-term; the D will be as shallow as the forward group and built around too many OFD with Sandin in there as well.

 

[New Liskeard]

With all the big names wanting moved this year, I think it'd be wise to try and move Marner for Tkachuk. Tkachuk wants out and is the exact type of player we need. And it'd be hard for Calgary to turn down a talent like Marner or get a better return on Tkachuk than that. Gives us out attitude change, and saves us almost 4 million in cap. More than enough to either give Hyman his raise, or if we move on, you spend the 3.893 saved on the Marner deal to sign Foligno (should easily get him for that price, and I want to try and salvage that trade somewhat and give him another chance healthy), and you take Hyman's old 2.25m and give it to Barclay Goodrow. You lose Kerfoot in the expansion draft and sign Casey Czikas for 2-3mil per. Bring back Galchenyuk, he would be silly to not return with a top 6 opportunity and some stability for once.
Defense I don't think a lot needs to be changed. Bring in Jamie Oleksiak, Sandin can play his off-side similar to Dermott.
Goalie, take best bang for buck. A guy like Driedger likely fits the bill. Then again I haven't really gained any salary with my moves up top, in fact I've likely saved a little. So you could go after a Grubauer type too if wanted for 3-4 mil

Tkachuk-Matthews-Nylander
Foligno-Tavares-Galchenyuk
Robertson-Czikas-Goodrow
Brooks-Spezza-Anderson

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Oleksiak-Sandin

Campbell
Driedger/Grubauer

Im a huge Marner fan, but that line up isn't half bad. Probably switch Galy with Nylander though.

 

[gyzmo]

Screw it, let's go get 4 Prongers.

 

[Nylander88]

Im a huge Marner fan, but that line up isn't half bad. Probably switch Galy with Nylander though.

I'd be good with that! I switched the lines around like 10 times haha lot of plug and play with those players based on what you're trying to do. Nylander and Galchenyuk switched like you mentioned, gives better scoring balance. Foligno down on th third line gives you a heavy, defensively responsible, shutdown line in Foligno-Czikas-Goodrow. Lots of parts that can be moved around, but I feel this lineup is much deeper, energetic, and aggressive. All starts with a Tkachuk for Marner deal. Nothing else is really far fetched (re-signing Galchenyuk and Foligno, and signing UFAs Czikas, Goodrow,Oleksiak)

 

[Menzinger]

While I'm expecting the team to move on at this point, if Hymans agent approached the Leafs with a 4ish mil contract over 7/8 years would you do it?

 

[Torontonian]

While I'm expecting the team to move on at this point, if Hymans agent approached the Leafs with a 4ish mil contract over 7/8 years would you do it?

Oof, the caphit would be good, perfectly fine with giving Hyman 4m to 4.25m but the contract term is killer. It would be similar to the Alex Tuch contract signed (4.75m by 7 years) but he's 25 and Hyman is 29 now. I think we would still have to walk away on those years. Its super important Toronto doesn't have any "dead" money in the future when we have to resign Matthews/Marner/Nylander and hopefully other players such as Robertson,Sandin when they come up.

 

[Brown Dog]

No thanks to Foligno. Let's not double-down on that mistake.

 

[Brobust]

Girard was completely exposed in the playoffs. He got abused.

I don’t mind the idea of Hamilton but you can’t have both him and Rielly long-term; the D will be as shallow as the forward group and built around too many OFD with Sandin in there as well.

I don't really care about a bad playoff series.

 

[Brobust]

While I'm expecting the team to move on at this point, if Hymans agent approached the Leafs with a 4ish mil contract over 7/8 years would you do it?

3.5, 3.5, 3.5, 7, 6, 3.5, 3.5, 3.5

Something like this comes out to $4.25M/year.

The buyout after year 5 would be something like $1.75 for 6 years. If they buyout while having that year be mostly bonuses (750k + 2.75M SB), then the buyout would be something like $1.3M for 6 years.

I may be wrong. But even the most team friendly sort of deal leaves them with risk. Something like logging onto capfriendly the last couple of years and just seeing Phil Kessel's retention on there.

 

[Kurtz]

3.5, 3.5, 3.5, 7, 6, 3.5, 3.5, 3.5

Something like this comes out to $4.25M/year.

The buyout after year 5 would be something like $1.75 for 6 years. If they buyout while having that year be mostly bonuses (750k + 2.75M SB), then the buyout would be something like $1.3M for 6 years.

I may be wrong. But even the most team friendly sort of deal leaves them with risk. Something like logging onto capfriendly the last couple of years and just seeing Phil Kessel's retention on there.

We'd have to book a reservation for him for Robidas Island for those last 3 years.

 

[Brobust]

This is not about creating an optimized lineup for Art Ross or Rocket Richard trophies. It's about preparing them for the playoffs. Matthews must carry his own line. John Tavares must play tougher minutes. Nylander must carry his own line.

 

[Menzinger]

3.5, 3.5, 3.5, 7, 6, 3.5, 3.5, 3.5

Something like this comes out to $4.25M/year.

The buyout after year 5 would be something like $1.75 for 6 years. If they buyout while having that year be mostly bonuses (750k + 2.75M SB), then the buyout would be something like $1.3M for 6 years.

I may be wrong. But even the most team friendly sort of deal leaves them with risk. Something like logging onto capfriendly the last couple of years and just seeing Phil Kessel's retention on there.

It definitely does.

Basically means over the last 3 or so years of the deal the team may need to find a creative way if getting rid of him.

 

[Gallagbi]

While I'm expecting the team to move on at this point, if Hymans agent approached the Leafs with a 4ish mil contract over 7/8 years would you do it?

Its tough to say know when LTIR would be an option if things went south you could also front load heavily in the first few years to make it more palatable in a move down the road.

 

[Gabriel426]

Hyman cannot go over 4mil. If it is a 8 years deal, 3.5 for 8 years and NTC. I really won't worry about 3-4 yrs from now. Since if the team still can't win a round, we will pretty much be tanking in a few years unless McDavid comes home.

 

[Cor]

So I’ve been doing some thinking.

Given the competitiveness of the Atlantic Division next year, and the fact we gave up an ungodly amount of picks at the trade deadline, is why I’d hold onto assets if I’m Dubas.
- Extend or trade Rielly. You could include Mikheyev into that as well. No more key UFA’s walking to the open market.
- Trade Kerfoot and Dermott prior to expansion. This would likely ensure that Engvall would be the person Selected in expansion
- Don’t trade our 2022 first
- I would still consider a Mitch Marner trade, but I doubt that happens

 

[ToneDog]

It definitely does.

Basically means over the last 3 or so years of the deal the team may need to find a creative way if getting rid of him.

What? The cap will have gone up 50% by then. We'll be fine.

 

[rumman]

I don't really care about a bad playoff series.

spoken like a true Leaf fan.

 

[613Leafer]

While I'm expecting the team to move on at this point, if Hymans agent approached the Leafs with a 4ish mil contract over 7/8 years would you do it?

No.

Look at last offseason which had the same flat cap restraints as this one.

• Toffoli - 4 years X 4.25M <- best comparison to Hyman. Similar age/calibre player when he signed.
• Granlund - 1 year X 3.75M
• Craig Smith - 3 years X 3.1M

Only two forwards in the league signed for caphits above 5M. Taylor Hall, a former Hart trophy winner in his prime, and Dadanov (who had averaged 66 points per 82 games the previous 3 years and had a career high of 70 points).

Leafs media LOVES to talk about sky-high contracts for our players. If Matthews was drafted by Columbus and Marner was drafted by Dallas, literally no one is talking about Matthews signing a contract higher than McDavid's caphit (and thus needing to do a ~5 year deal to get him at a "lower" caphit) and no one is talking about Marner signing anything that starts with a 10.

On The Leafs Report podcast yesterday Seigal was estimating Hyman would get 6M and Mirtle had him at 5.7M. But what is the basis for that!?!?! Leafs media just throw numbers out, but never actually try to draw any meaningful comparisons.

All of that to say I wouldn't give Hyman a 7-8 years X 4.25M contract to get him signed, because the precedents on the market in the flat cap don't remotely suggest he's worth that and we need to stop giving Leafs players contracts that aren't supported by precedents on the market. I'd offer him more or less the Toffoli contract. I don't even know if I would do 5 years X 4.5M (I'd have to really review things and look at other options).

 

[Kiwi]

While I'm expecting the team to move on at this point, if Hymans agent approached the Leafs with a 4ish mil contract over 7/8 years would you do it?

No

Im not mortgaging the future for somebody like Hyman, the last half of that contract has the potential to be absolutely toxic and I wouldn't do that for a 29 year old who is already starting to rack up leg injuries and plays his style of game

Hard pass

 

[United35]

If true what CJ is saying regarding the Leafs going after a goalie, I can only think of 2 options. Darcy Kuemper or John Gibson. I prefer Kuemper to be honest and believe there could be a great package to be made.

To Toronto-
Kuemper
Garland
Chychrun
Soderstrum

To Arizona-
Rielly
Marner
Dermott

might as well add Matthews.... if you were Matthews where would you sign when you become a UFA?

Personally I’d move Nylander before Marner

 

[Stephen]

While I'm expecting the team to move on at this point, if Hymans agent approached the Leafs with a 4ish mil contract over 7/8 years would you do it?

No, I think at some point we need to remember that we're not going to treat Hyman like he won a cup for us. Was listening to Leafs Hour today and Eric Engels was speculating that Danault will be looking for $45.5-$5 million a long term deal and he's done more for Montreal than Hyman ever has for us and here we are with rumours of Hyman getting over $6 million. It's sad that the fiscal responsibility has to come on Hyman's pay day, but they can't lock him in like that.

 

[Stephen]

might as well add Matthews.... if you were Matthews where would you sign when you become a UFA?

Personally I’d move Nylander before Marner

Arizona can't even make bonus payments on time, let's not make Matthews to the Coyotes a thing.