Trades & Free Agency Thread - Still Too Soon Off-Season Edition

[Punch Drunk Loov]

The good news:
-Our top line will score a lot in the season
-Our defense looks solid and shouldn't be an issue
-Campbell is offering great value
-We still have two #1C's

Bad news:
-Remove Hyman from a team that doesn't compete that hard
-Need another backup for cheap
-Rielly's deal is expiring
-We're probably in tough to even make the playoffs, nobody should expect us to win round 1 next year
-We traded most of our picks away
-JT and Muzzin are another year older and are getting more injuries
-Pressure is going to be worse this year

 

[showtime8]

The news out of the Leafs is kinda baffling.

No management changes. No coaching staff changes - unless the assistants want to take an opportunity elsehwere. (Friedman)
Rielly trade apparently unlikely (CJ)
Leafs aren't looking to trade any of the top 4. (CJ, Friedman, Russo, Shanahan himself)
Hyman not gonna be back (CJ - Friedman)

So like..... we just gonna sign a backup goalie and some bottom 6 guys and hope for the best?

I just can't believe, with all of the big moves Shanny and Dubas have been willing to make - dealing Kadri, bringing in Tavares, bringing in Muzzin, bringing in Campbell, bringing in Brodie..... THIS is the off-season they aren't gonna do something major? Sure, Friedman and CJ have teased the Leafs wanting to do something big.... but if the top 4 and Rielly are all back.... I don't see how that is anything more than a tease. The reports contradict themselves.

I think that a lot of the moves are predicated on what happens with Seattle, so I think it's far too early for even the insiders to take a stab at what happens with the core with Toronto.

If Seattle frees up some cash with teams that might be up against the cap or not a ton of wiggle room, then it might allow those teams to make trades.

For example, if Seattle is able to saddle Seattle with Bobrovsky by adding in some other assets, then it allows them to spend that 10mill elsewhere. Not saying that there's any trade with Florida that makes sense, but just as an example.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The good news:
-Our top line will score a lot in the season
-Our defense looks solid and shouldn't be an issue
-Campbell is offering great value
-We still have two #1C's

Bad news:
-Remove Hyman from a team that doesn't compete that hard
-Need another backup for cheap
-Rielly's deal is expiring
-We're probably in tough to even make the playoffs, nobody should expect us to win round 1 next year
-We traded most of our picks away
-JT and Muzzin are another year older and are getting more injuries
-Pressure is going to be worse this year

I get to reduce my TV package though, so room under my salary cap month to month for some better additions.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I sincerely doubt the Leafs have committed to anything at this point. Trading Marner was always a long shot but that does not mean they are going to have a quiet offseason per say.

 

[showtime8]

I'm trying to think about it, but who does everyone feel is the best puck moving defenseman in the playoffs right now?

 

[RomanianLeafs]

The news out of the Leafs is kinda baffling.

No management changes. No coaching staff changes - unless the assistants want to take an opportunity elsehwere. (Friedman)
Rielly trade apparently unlikely (CJ)
Leafs aren't looking to trade any of the top 4. (CJ, Friedman, Russo, Shanahan himself)
Hyman not gonna be back (CJ - Friedman)

So like..... we just gonna sign a backup goalie and some bottom 6 guys and hope for the best?

I just can't believe, with all of the big moves Shanny and Dubas have been willing to make - dealing Kadri, bringing in Tavares, bringing in Muzzin, bringing in Campbell, bringing in Brodie..... THIS is the off-season they aren't gonna do something major? Sure, Friedman and CJ have teased the Leafs wanting to do something big.... but if the top 4 and Rielly are all back.... I don't see how that is anything more than a tease. The reports contradict themselves.

Not trading one of big 4 or one of the top 4 d?

 

[pspot]

The leafs were one the best teams going in to the playoffs
If JT doesn't go down they probably beat a mtl team that is currently playing for the cup
No major changes isn't a crazy idea

I honestly think a lot is on keefe...a lot more on him then what the players are getting blamed for

He failed to adjust his lineup. Should have gone to hyman mattbews nylander and them marner against secondary d to get him going . They were way to predictable and easy to defend and that's on the coach imo

Reilly really didn't step up and I'd be definitely considering moving him depending on his resign price.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The leafs were one the best teams going in to the playoffs
If JT doesn't go down they probably beat a mtl team that is currently playing for the cup
No major changes isn't a crazy idea

I honestly think a lot is on keefe...a lot more on him then what the players are getting blamed for

He failed to adjust his lineup. Should have gone to hyman mattbews nylander and them marner against secondary d to get him going . They were way to predictable and easy to defend and that's on the coach imo

Reilly really didn't step up and I'd be definitely considering moving him depending on his resign price.

Hyman was pretty garbage too.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

so I saw that apparently instead of trying to replace Hyman with 1 individual player, they plan on replacing his contributions through committee with cheaper, more under the radar players around 25 or 26 years old.

I've seen Michael Bunting's name thrown around. Who would be some other players that fit the description?

 

[rumman]

Tampa is proving that it actually does work, you just actually need those players to perform come playoff time. Tampa has $36M in Kucherov/Stamkos/Hedman/Vasi. They're over $40M on 5 guys if you include Point.

If we got Kucherov/Stamkos production out of Matthews and Marner we're laughing to the 3rd round even without JT.

Tampa buried Kush on ltd to make it work so not really valid imo, that loophole will be closed before next season.

 

[rumman]

so I saw that apparently instead of trying to replace Hyman with 1 individual player, they plan on replacing his contributions through committee with cheaper, more under the radar players around 25 or 26 years old.

I've seen Michael Bunting's name thrown around. Who would be some other players that fit the description?

Hard to replace Hyman at his bargain salary of last year imo, if the plan is to use the 5-6 mil that would be needed to retain him and spread it amonst a couple of players, well, that more plausible.

 

[rumman]

More and more people are starting to see this. How long will it take Shanny and Co. to see it or worse, know it and ignore it?

We can and we will.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Love the player but is there a case for going 7-3-1 and hoping Seattle takes Muzzin? 2 playoffs in a row he's been injured in the 1st round...moving further from his prime.

 

[Jozay]

Love the player but is there a case for going 7-3-1 and hoping Seattle takes Muzzin? 2 playoffs in a row he's been injured in the 1st round...moving further from his prime.

I think you'd just trade him rather than let him go for free.

 

[4thline]

I think you'd just trade him rather than let him go for free.

Or at very least get Seattle pay the difference from Kerfoot in trade to have him left exposed.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think you'd just trade him rather than let him go for free.

I wasn't confident in what trade value he held.

I'm trying to approach this from all angles, I am writing off this next season and with that, another year Muzzin/JT move from their primes.

 

[rumman]

Love the player but is there a case for going 7-3-1 and hoping Seattle takes Muzzin? 2 playoffs in a row he's been injured in the 1st round...moving further from his prime.

When he starts to decline it’ll get ugly fast, just a matter of when, could be next season, could be in a couple of years? The injuries are a concern going forward.....

 

[Torontonian]

The news out of the Leafs is kinda baffling.

No management changes. No coaching staff changes - unless the assistants want to take an opportunity elsehwere. (Friedman)
Rielly trade apparently unlikely (CJ)
Leafs aren't looking to trade any of the top 4. (CJ, Friedman, Russo, Shanahan himself)
Hyman not gonna be back (CJ - Friedman)

So like..... we just gonna sign a backup goalie and some bottom 6 guys and hope for the best?

I just can't believe, with all of the big moves Shanny and Dubas have been willing to make - dealing Kadri, bringing in Tavares, bringing in Muzzin, bringing in Campbell, bringing in Brodie..... THIS is the off-season they aren't gonna do something major? Sure, Friedman and CJ have teased the Leafs wanting to do something big.... but if the top 4 and Rielly are all back.... I don't see how that is anything more than a tease. The reports contradict themselves.

I would expect for more rumors and stuff heating up around the expansion draft and closer to free agency. The closer we get to the expansion and seeing what Seattle is going to do and what other teams have to do because of expansion, the more interesting it will get. I think the closer we get, we will see some of our own bottom 6 forwards (Engvall, Kerfoot etc) traded away for draft picks so we can rebuild our bottom 6 lineup. I understand everyone wants to see a big block buster move but we need our bottom 6 forwards to be heavier still and have them ware down the other teams defense and forwards.

I don't see them trading any of the core away, Dubas is willing to lose his job on building his team around them. I think the hope from the management team is getting to the dance and hoping the talent from the Core 4 can break though in the playoffs, (Washington was a perfect example of constantly losing in the second round and once they broke through they won the cup.). Although I can see them trading away one of top prospects for some middle 6 help (second line winger/top 9 solid forward), At the deadline Dubas was pretty fast in saying hes willing to trade our top prospects for immediate help and I don't think that's going to change going into the summer.

 

[WTFMAN99]

When he starts to decline it’ll get ugly fast, just a matter of when, could be next season, could be in a couple of years? The injuries are a concern going forward.....

The more I analyze the team the more I see a mass of tangled Christmas lights...

JT/Muzzin leaving prime

Matthews should realistically be that 1 big ticket guy

JT threw off the cap

Marner should never have gotten what he did compared to Stone, Kucherov, Patty Kane

88 is actually compensated fairly.

I would expect for more rumors and stuff heating up around the expansion draft and closer to free agency. The closer we get to the expansion and seeing what Seattle is going to do and what other teams have to do because of expansion, the more interesting it will get. I think the closer we get, we will see some of our own bottom 6 forwards (Engvall, Kerfoot etc) traded away for draft picks so we can rebuild our bottom 6 lineup. I understand everyone wants to see a big block buster move but we need our bottom 6 forwards to be heavier still and have them ware down the other teams defense and forwards.

I don't see them trading any of the core away, Dubas is willing to lose his job on building his team around them. I think the hope from the management team is getting to the dance and hoping the talent from the Core 4 can break though in the playoffs, (Washington was a perfect example of constantly losing in the second round and once they broke through they won the cup.). Although I can see them trading away one of top prospects for some middle 6 help (second line winger/top 9 solid forward), At the deadline Dubas was pretty fast in saying hes willing to trade our top prospects for immediate help and I don't think that's going to change going into the summer.

People need to drop the WSH comparisons

Backstrom and Ovechkin were signed super long term so the window was wide open for quite some time. Leafs have a clock ticking on Matthews, 88 etc

Caps added Wilson, Kuznetsov via the draft and traded for Oshie. They let guys like Semin and Green move on.

The Leafs haven't made any major additions in the top of the line up because they're capped out, Dubas hasn't hit a home run on the draft (Sandin and Robertson are just potential) like Kuznetsov or Wilson.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Hard to replace Hyman at his bargain salary of last year imo, if the plan is to use the 5-6 mil that would be needed to retain him and spread it amonst a couple of players, well, that more plausible.

Yeah, I believe that's what the report was insinuating (5-6 mil spread across 2 or 3 players)

 

[Jozay]

I wasn't confident in what trade value he held.

I'm trying to approach this from all angles, I am writing off this next season and with that, another year Muzzin/JT move from their primes.

Ottawa probably gives up some value for him

 

[rumman]

The more I analyze the team the more I see a mass of tangled Christmas lights...

JT/Muzzin leaving prime

Matthews should realistically be that 1 big ticket guy

JT threw off the cap

Marner should never have gotten what he did compared to Stone, Kucherov, Patty Kane

88 is actually compensated fairly.

If I had any faith in the GM I’d think the Cracken could be a good trading partner, they would love to have a premier player to start the franchise going and you could also lose a couple of aging contracts in a package deal. Perhaps even select who they claim in draft that would go Toronto’s way?

 

[WTFMAN99]

If I had any faith in the GM I’d think the Cracken could be a good trading partner, they would love to have a premier player to start the franchise going and you could also lose a couple of aging contracts in a package deal. Perhaps even select who they claim in draft that would go Toronto’s way?

Maybe, my faith in Dubas is zero at this time.

 

[rumman]

Maybe, my faith in Dubas is zero at this time.

Yup, probably continue with the small skilled template that I’m convinced will be a disaster.

 

[4thline]

Yup, probably continue with the small skilled template that I’m convinced will be a disaster.

The Leafs had the 5th tallest and 3rd heaviest roster to play the 2020-2021 season, based on average of all players to dress.