Trades & Free Agency Thread - Still Too Soon Off-Season Edition

[Cor]

Rielly for Rust an absolute no go.

Downgrade on abilities, position, age. If we move Rielly, it should be for pure futures or we get the edge in age and upside elsewhere on the roster and we can spend his cap money elsewhere doubling down on the return. Rielly for Rust is a worse return than Colorado got for Barrie from us.

You are severely underestimating Bryan Rust.

To each their own I guess.

 

[hamzarocks]

If we are dealing Rielly I think Rielly for Rust as a 1 for 1 year rental makes somewhat sense but in that case it basically signals to the core that this is their last chance to win together. Dubas goes all in getting a rental for Rielly who brings a mid 1st + on his own as a rental.

Rielly for Rust

then do

2021 2nd (who cares about this draft with 3 picks only) + Hirvonen/Abramov/Hallinder for Nate Schmidt retained down to 5M(rielly's current caphit)

I love Rielly as a player a lot but if he's not taking an extension in the 6.5-7M range I pull the trigger and bring in Schmidt who while not as good is still a very good #3 d-men at 5M.

We send Hyman + Rielly out and bring Rust + Schmidt in for basically the same caphits meaning we can add furthermore to the team.

Rust - Matthews - XXX
Nylander - Tavares - Marner
XXX/Robertson-Kerfoot/XXX-Galchenyuk/XXX
Mikheyev - Spezza - XXX (Perry, Getzalf, Brooks)

Schmidt - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljgren
Sandin - Bogosian

Let Vegas take Holl and save 2M, giving liligren a deserved chance to prove he's a top 4 RHD after 5 years of development

Trade Engvall and free his 1.25M for a cheaper more gritty player with a better scoring touch.

 

[Duffman955]

If we are dealing Rielly I think Rielly for Rust as a 1 for 1 year rental makes somewhat sense but in that case it basically signals to the core that this is their last chance to win together. Dubas goes all in getting a rental for Rielly who brings a mid 1st + on his own as a rental.

Rielly for Rust

then do

2021 2nd (who cares about this draft with 3 picks only) + Hirvonen/Abramov/Hallinder for Nate Schmidt retained down to 5M(rielly's current caphit)

I love Rielly as a player a lot but if he's not taking an extension in the 6.5-7M range I pull the trigger and bring in Schmidt who while not as good is still a very good #3 d-men at 5M.

We send Hyman + Rielly out and bring Rust + Schmidt in for basically the same caphits meaning we can add furthermore to the team.

Rust - Matthews - XXX
Nylander - Tavares - Marner
XXX/Robertson-Kerfoot/XXX-Galchenyuk/XXX
Mikheyev - Spezza - XXX (Perry, Getzalf, Brooks)

Schmidt - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljgren
Sandin - Bogosian

Let Vegas take Holl and save 2M, giving liligren a deserved chance to prove he's a top 4 RHD after 5 years of development

Trade Engvall and free his 1.25M for a cheaper more gritty player with a better scoring touch.

This should be a bannable post

 

[hamzarocks]

This should be a bannable post

Which part specially do you disagree with?


Keeping rielly as an own rental is a big fail move. We either have to get futures for him if he's not signed or we should target a player who can play in our top 6 and has strong production.

Rielly can be covered by 70% by Schimdt with the hope being Sandin can develop and bring the missing puck moving and offense that we are missing from trading rielly

 

[Brobust]

So we’re going into next season with Sandin-Brodie, Muzzin-Holl, and Cole-Liljegren?

That’s not a playoff-worthy defence core.

If they upgrade Holl, I think they'll be ok.

 

[hamzarocks]

If they upgrade Holl, I think they'll be ok.

Sandin shouldn't be anywhere above 3rd pairing. Ideally he's the 7th d-men and we get Ian Cole to be our 3LHD with Bogo as our 3RHD

The best defense I imagine for the team without Rielly(moved do to contract) and not overpaying Hamilton a 7M player 8-8.5M is

Nate Schimdt@5M - Brodie
Muzzin - Lilijgren (d+5 year it's sinking or swim and he gets a great partner to help him)
Cole(or similar vet) - Bogo

With Sandin as the 7th-dmen who gets games for Cole (60-40 split I'd go in favor of Cole unless Sandin steals the spot

Then have a guy like MDZ or Hutton as the 8th d-man

 

[Brobust]

Sandin shouldn't be anywhere above 3rd pairing. Ideally he's the 7th d-men and we get Ian Cole to be our 3LHD with Bogo as our 3RHD

The best defense I imagine for the team without Rielly(moved do to contract) and not overpaying Hamilton a 7M player 8-8.5M is

Nate Schimdt@5M - Brodie
Muzzin - Lilijgren (d+5 year it's sinking or swim and he gets a great partner to help him)
Cole(or similar vet) - Bogo

With Sandin as the 7th-dmen who gets games for Cole (60-40 split I'd go in favor of Cole unless Sandin steals the spot

Then have a guy like MDZ or Hutton as the 8th d-man

This also applies to Sandin. There's obviously a reason for forcing Sandin into the lineup even when Dermott was healthy and I think it's about him playing an important role next season.

Defensively he has warts, but offensively he's already at a top 4 level. I say let him grow into the role.

 

[Duffman955]

Which part specially do you disagree with?


Keeping rielly as an own rental is a big fail move. We either have to get futures for him if he's not signed or we should target a player who can play in our top 6 and has strong production.

Rielly can be covered by 70% by Schimdt with the hope being Sandin can develop and bring the missing puck moving and offense that we are missing from trading rielly

Whos renting Rielly, resign the only #1 Defenseman we have had for 15+ years.


Who the f*** goes for a cup by trading their top Dman for a 3rd liner

 

[hamzarocks]

Whos renting Rielly, resign the only #1 Defenseman we have had for 15+ years.


Who the f*** goes for a cup by trading their top Dman for a 3rd liner

Rust is a slightly better winger than Nylander over the past 2 years.

He's a 65-80 point player with grit and tenacity. His days of being a 3rd liner are atlesst 2+ years in the oast.

I'd love to extend Rielly at 8 years 6.5M but it's up to him if he takes that deal and wants to be a leaf.

Hyman already is proving money matters more. He's walking as a UFA.

We can't let the same occur with Rielly. He either is extended Nad has a multi year contract going into game 1 of next year or he has to be traded this off-season.

We need to get value for him if he's playing hardball and looking to chase a 7-8M contract

 

[Dreakmur]

You are severely underestimating Bryan Rust.

To each their own I guess.

Rust is basically another Hyman, and he's locked up for just 1 season. I think we need to get more for Rielly.

The bigger question is why does Pittsburgh make this trade when they already have a load of money locked into their blueline?

 

[Duffman955]

Rust is a slightly better winger than Nylander over the past 2 years.

He's a 65-80 point player with grit and tenacity. His days of being a 3rd liner are atlesst 2+ years in the oast.

I'd love to extend Rielly at 8 years 6.5M but it's up to him if he takes that deal and wants to be a leaf.

Hyman already is proving money matters more. He's walking as a UFA.

We can't let the same occur with Rielly. He either is extended Nad has a multi year contract going into game 1 of next year or he has to be traded this off-season.

We need to get value for him if he's playing hardball and looking to chase a 7-8M contract

I cant tell if you're being sarcastic. These arguments actually the dumbest shit I have ever heard. you sign your #1 Dman long term. FULL STOP.

You move wingers to make room for your #1Dman.

 

[showtime8]

I think he'll take over Rielly's spot completely.

I don't think there is anyone currently in the system or on the active roster that is capable of taking over handling Rielly's minutes.

As much as people have kind of made up their minds on the Rielly situation, the Leafs would be playing with fire without addressing that right away.

We're all hoping that Sandin can develop into that guy, but I thought he struggled with the pressure of even playing as the #5 in the playoffs. And the entire board has been focusing on what the Leafs can do in the playoffs. The best thing that could happen is give Sandin an entire year with the Marlies to focus on skating, defensive zones and quarterbacking the powerplay... basically what they've asked Liljegren to do the past couple years. And then they can revisit where Sandin is at for the start of the 2022 season.

 

[hamzarocks]

I cant tell if you're being sarcastic. These arguments actually the dumbest shit I have ever heard. you sign your #1 Dman long term. FULL STOP.

You move wingers to make room for your #1Dman.

You don't sign Morgan Rielly to a 8x8 type contract. It's crippling and one that sinks this team. He's not worth 8M right now and won't be worth that in the future.

You seriously haven't laid attention to Bryan Rust these past 2 years. He has 98 pts in 111 games

If Rielly is willing to sign 6.5M or maybe up to 7ish than you bring him back.

Otherwise you move him and see that there are a wide variety of top pairing LHDs available in 2022 free agency who you could get in that cap range.

We don't have the cap space to improve the team and give Rielly a UFa retirement contract at the same time. Dubas isn't trading marner/Nylander so with 50% of the cap tied up already we have to save on important roles.

If the entire objective is to keep Rielly only, we can keep the same team as this year (replace Hyman with a UFA LW making 2.5M) and give rielly a 8 year 8M+ extension blindly. The team doesn't improve, and we are stuck with the same core and end up tying a huge chunk of our cap hit to a small number of players

 

[Brobust]

I don't think there is anyone currently in the system or on the active roster that is capable of taking over handling Rielly's minutes.

As much as people have kind of made up their minds on the Rielly situation, the Leafs would be playing with fire without addressing that right away.

We're all hoping that Sandin can develop into that guy, but I thought he struggled with the pressure of even playing as the #5 in the playoffs. And the entire board has been focusing on what the Leafs can do in the playoffs. The best thing that could happen is give Sandin an entire year with the Marlies to focus on skating, defensive zones and quarterbacking the powerplay... basically what they've asked Liljegren to do the past couple years. And then they can revisit where Sandin is at for the start of the 2022 season.

Impact wise, Sandin is actually probably pretty close. Defensively poor, offensively very good.

Also, there's no way that Sandin's going back to the AHL considering the fact that Keefe had him above Dermott in depth chart by the end of the season.

 

[Dreakmur]

Impact wise, Sandin is actually probably pretty close. Defensively poor, offensively very good.

Also, there's no way that Sandin's going back to the AHL considering the fact that Keefe had him above Dermott in depth chart by the end of the season.

That's a huge gamble for a team that wants to contend right now.

 

[Brobust]

That's a huge gamble for a team that wants to contend right now.

It's a gamble almost every time you insert a rookie into the lineup. But I'm pretty confident that his offensive/transition skills will outweigh the bad.

 

[Dreakmur]

It's a gamble almost every time you insert a rookie into the lineup. But I'm pretty confident that his offensive/transition skills will outweigh the bad.

Yes, it's a gamble when you insert one into the bottom of your line up.

For a team that basically has to win now, it's moronic to insert them into a high leverage position.

 

[Brobust]

Yes, it's a gamble when you insert one into the bottom of your line up.

For a team that basically has to win now, it's moronic to insert them into a high leverage position.

Sam Girard, John Marino, Chychrun, Phillipe Myers, K'Andre Miller are all guys who started top 4 early. I specifically left off lottery names and savants like McAvoy.

Just tell me you don't believe in Sandin. That's fine. But don't call me a moron.

 

[Jozay]

The reason you move Rielly is because you dont think you can afford his extension.

Trading him for a guy that also needs an extension, doesnt seem like the move.

Rust is good though.

 

[RomanianLeafs]

I would trade Rielly + Engvall to Kings for Kempe + Akil Thomas + 8 pick overall if Wallstedt is not drafted until the 8th pick..otherwise is Kempe + Akil Thomas + 2022 1st rd pick unprotected, could be a top 5 pick in a very good draft..Dubas need to try this i think Kings might do it

 

[Dreakmur]

Sam Girard

His first full season was as a 3rd pairing guy.

Colorado got Girard as part of a rebuild, so they weren't trying to win when he got there.

In his second full season, he started in the top 4, but moved into the 3rd pair by play-offs.

John Marino

2nd pair on a second tier team.

Chychrun

First full season was 3rd pair.

Phillipe Myers

First 2 seasons were 3rd pair.

K'Andre Miller

On a team that wasn't in win mode.

Just tell me you don't believe in Sandin. That's fine. But don't call me a moron.

Drop him into the 3rd pair.... if he plays well, move him up to the second pair... if he plays well, move him up to the first pair. You can't unload your #1 D and just hope a rookie can take that role.

Teams that are trying to win now don't put Sandin in their #1 D slot. That absolutely is moronic.

 

[rumman]

It's a gamble almost every time you insert a rookie into the lineup. But I'm pretty confident that his offensive/transition skills will outweigh the bad.

They didn’t in the playoffs, his gaffs cost games.

 

[Menzinger]

I think Dermott + Kerfoot are traded with Engvall gone in expansion.

I don't think 4C is a priority between Brooks and Semyonov. Leafs probably want to give those two a chance to win the job, but may bring in a guy for depth.

The more I start to look at expansion, the more I see this potentially being the case. I have a hard time getting a read on how management views Dermott in particular

Depending on how busy Dubas' is on the trade market Engvall could very well be the man playing in the North West come next season.

 

[Mats13]

If we are dealing Rielly I think Rielly for Rust as a 1 for 1 year rental makes somewhat sense but in that case it basically signals to the core that this is their last chance to win together. Dubas goes all in getting a rental for Rielly who brings a mid 1st + on his own as a rental.

Rielly for Rust

then do

2021 2nd (who cares about this draft with 3 picks only) + Hirvonen/Abramov/Hallinder for Nate Schmidt retained down to 5M(rielly's current caphit)

I love Rielly as a player a lot but if he's not taking an extension in the 6.5-7M range I pull the trigger and bring in Schmidt who while not as good is still a very good #3 d-men at 5M.

We send Hyman + Rielly out and bring Rust + Schmidt in for basically the same caphits meaning we can add furthermore to the team.

Rust - Matthews - XXX
Nylander - Tavares - Marner
XXX/Robertson-Kerfoot/XXX-Galchenyuk/XXX
Mikheyev - Spezza - XXX (Perry, Getzalf, Brooks)

Schmidt - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljgren
Sandin - Bogosian

Let Vegas take Holl and save 2M, giving liligren a deserved chance to prove he's a top 4 RHD after 5 years of development

Trade Engvall and free his 1.25M for a cheaper more gritty player with a better scoring touch.

Rielly for Rust? For real? Holy f*** this boards IQ has taken an absolute nosedive.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Blackhawks enter Jack Eichel, Sabres trade sweepstakes - New York Post

In addition to the usual suspects — including the Ducks, Flyers, Wild, Kings and perhaps the Rangers — there is a previously undisclosed entrant in the Hunt for Jack Eichel.

Slap Shots has learned the Blackhawks have taken a ticket at the deli counter in communicating their interest in the 24-year-old center, who is in the midst of divorce proceedings with the Sabres while possibly facing a tricky surgery to repair a herniated disk.

In order to succeed in its quest, Chicago’s offer would have to feature Kirby Dach — the 20-year-old center who was drafted third overall in 2019, recorded 23 points (8-15) in his rookie season, then played just 18 games last year after he suffered a wrist injury in a pre-World Juniors tournament game.

Of course, there would have to be more to it. The Blackhawks own the 11th-overall selection in the upcoming draft July 23. That likely would also have to be thrown into the mix.

Jonathan Toews, who missed last season with an unidentified medical issue, may be able to return next season (when does a season become “this one” and as opposed to “next one,” I’ve never quite figured that one out?) for his age 33 season.

That is pure speculation, though, as a news blackout on the Chicago captain’s health and status has been in effect since the late December statement announcing that he would be out indefinitely.

The Blackhawks have qualified for the playoffs only once the past four years, through their 2020 bubble qualifying round victory, and have not advanced to the second round since their 2015 Cup victory.

They are also believed to be interested in Seth Jones, the Blue Jackets’ latest would-be asylum-seeker. A deal for the defenseman would also have to feature Dach. Alternatively, Chicago is expected to investigate signing impending free agent Dougie Hamilton, who may leave the Candy Canes to take his talents to the Kraken.