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Smif said:
Taking on Klefbom was a fan suggestion. You're giving Dubas blame on something he hasn't done...
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Not blaming him. He is using every tool at his disposal. It just shows where we are at and the desperation he is in. Name the last NHL team to do a sign and trade and how many teams are willing to take on LTIR players? Cap is king and we don't have any. Money is the next best thing when you don't have picks and are thin on prospects.
 
If I was Dubas I would offer Kerfoot to Sea for Jarnkrok and Appleton. Jarnkrok at 2 million is a UFA next year but Appleton is 900k but an RFA after the season. Fill 2/3 of the 3rd line with guys who play hard. Seattle gets a 2nd line C to go along with Gourde.
 
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ToneDog said:
Not blaming him. He is using every tool at his disposal. It just shows where we are at and the desperation he is in. Name the last NHL team to do a sign and trade and how many teams are willing to take on LTIR players? Cap is king and we don't have any. Money is the next best thing when you don't have picks and are thin on prospects.
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Something that there is literally zero reason to believe is happening shows where we are?
 
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4thline said:
Not if you think the Leafs derive any cap benefit from taking on the contract.

But I was actually talking about the Edmonton based source of the original "rumour"
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You can get a an asset to take on an LTIR player. When u print money u have that tool in your toolbox so use it but you only do when you are desperate.
 
ToneDog said:
Not blaming him. He is using every tool at his disposal. It just shows where we are at and the desperation he is in. Name the last NHL team to do a sign and trade and how many teams are willing to take on LTIR players? Cap is king and we don't have any. Money is the next best thing when you don't have picks and are thin on prospects.
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You'd rather him walk for nothing rather than walk for a pick?

Again, talking about LTIR like we're currently using it, giving blame to Dubas on something he hasn't done.

We made TWELVE picks last year. Dubas traded for picks last year and sold picks this year because last years draft was deep and this one is thin.
 
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ToneDog said:
Buying assets by taking on bad contracts. That is where we are. Dubas can't buy his way out of this mess but he is trying.
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Ok, not only will Dubas never do this in a million years, but this buys absolutely nothing positive. This hurts the Leafs in every way possible. You get the cap hit, but not the player? Sign me up!


This isn't about Dubas - he'd never do this. This is about moron writers who should not be allowed to procreate if they are truly this stupid. Writers prove once again that they are stupid beyond stupid, have no knowledge of hockey or the business of running a team, and have no basic math skills.
 
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ToneDog said:
You can get a an asset to take on an LTIR player. When u print money u have that tool in your toolbox so use it but you only do when you are desperate.
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1. There's no reason to only use the "tools in your toolbox" when you're "desperate". That's illogical.
2. It's not even happening.
 
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kb said:
Ok, not only will Dubas never do this in a million years, but this buys absolutely nothing positive. This hurts the Leafs in every way possible. You get the cap hit, but not the player? Sign me up!


This isn't about Dubas - he'd never do this. This is about moron writers who should not be allowed to procreate if they are truly this stupid. Writers prove once again that they are stupid beyond stupid, have no knowledge of hockey or the business of running a team, and have no basic math skills.
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Never did it? What about Clarkson from Vegas? Why would u do it if it does not benefit the Leafs?

And My math is just fine. Lol.
 
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Smif said:
You'd rather him walk for nothing rather than walk for a pick?

Again, talking about LTIR like we're currently using it, giving blame to Dubas on something he hasn't done.

We made TWELVE picks last year. Dubas traded for picks last year and sold picks this year because last years draft was deep and this one is thin.
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Getting a pick is good. Taking kleftbom is also good but it shows me how desperate they are for any asset they can get.
 
ToneDog said:
He never did


Never did it? What about Clarkdon from Vegas? And My math is just fine. Lol.
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THEY were already in LTIR then because of the Horton contract. They needed to maximize their ACSL, so they took on Clarkson's to get as close a possible to the cap ceiling before placing the players onn LTIR.

But no matter what, they were using LTIR.

I'll explain it again in easy terms for the unenlightened (not you, the writers who stupidly push LTIR and Leafs with every breath).

The Leafs have $9.4 million in cap room. The Leafs acquire Klefbom, the available space goes down to $5.2 million. They get no player. They now have all the same holes to fill.

The end.
 
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kb said:
THEY were already in LTIR then because of the Horton contract. They needed to maximize their ACSL, so they took on Clarkson's to get as close a possible to the cap ceiling before placing the players onn LTIR.

But no matter what, they were using LTIR.

I'll explain it again in easy terms for the unenlightened (not you, the writers).

The Leafs have $9.4 million in cap room. The Leafs acquire Klefbom, the available space goes down to $5.2 million. They get no player. They now have all the same holes to fill.

The end.
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Good to know. Thanks.
 
ToneDog said:
You can get a an asset to take on an LTIR player. When u print money u have that tool in your toolbox so use it but you only do when you are desperate.
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The Leafs taxing the Oilers to take on the LTIR is not what the original rumour was. I can't find the tweet but it was an ignorant blurb about the Leafs wanting to add Klefbom to make use of his LTIR space- which is nonsense. Taking on an asset for something that won't hurt us* is something else entirely, and no it doesn't signal desperation.

*If the plan is to be within a cabs fare of the anyway.
 
4thline said:
The Leafs taxing the Oilers to take on the LTIR is not what the original rumour was. I can't find the tweet but it was an ignorant blurb about the Leafs wanting to add Klefbom to make use of his LTIR space- which is nonsense. Taking on an asset for something that won't hurt us is something else entirely, and no it doesn't signal desperation.
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What other teams use LTIR to acquire assets because they are capped out and have holes to fill?
 
I wonder if instead of us just trading Hyman's right to Edmonton, we might see a sign and trade that will include someone like Dermott and get a better return. Not sure what we could get but I don't think the Leafs brass is very high on Dermott and seems like they want Sandin to have that bottom pairing spot.
 
ToneDog said:
What other teams use LTIR to acquire assets because they are capped out and have holes to fill?
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Any team that is in the position to do so financially and can derive a net benefit from doing so should. As they should with any/mechanism or asset at their disposal.
 
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What other teams use LTIR to acquire assets because they are capped out and have holes to fill?
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The only reason we would acquire an LTIR is if the asset being attached is worth it. It would not help our cap situation, which is just fine.
 
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