GDT: Trades & Free Agency Thread - post expansion list

[Jozay]

Its interesting. I wonder how much a first rounder is actually worth, money wise.

 

[hamzarocks]

Hall extends at 4 years and 24M

Overall his 1 year deal + this deal gives him 5 years and 32M or 6.4M per year

His play dropped a bit, he choose a bad team in Buffalo who killed his season but he still has a lot of elite skill and tools

He's making 400k more than his 2nd contract on average since he last became a UFA. He really got screwed by the Cap not rising and his own dumb choice to go to Sabres

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Friedman said it was financial reasons, so who knows.

Just doubt MLSE is as open to just spending all willy nilly now.

Regardless, isnt happening. Leafs will probably just take 4th rounder or something.

I don't think they are just going to take on random money for no reason. I don't think the Leafs would do that at any point. But if the Oilers needed to pay Hyman a signing bonus in the first year of his deal to get the deal done, we are the ones who need to pay it since we are the team signing him to give that 8th year. If they are willing to give us a pick (i.e. #20) to make it worth our trouble, I am sure there is a price the Leafs would strongly consider it. Especially since we don't have a 1st right now.

Remember the Leafs had the opportunity to let Seattle take Kerfoot and get his $1.95 mill signing bonus back. If they were that cash strapped, they'd take Seattle up on that opportunity and save Hallander + a 7th + $2 mill. If the price tag is a $5 mill signing bonus that we need to pay in exchange for #20 (for example), I think the Leafs would do it. The Leafs paid that much money to Brooks Laich over 1.5 years to be a cap dump and all we got was a 2nd + Carrick... And we gave up Winnik and a 5th the other way.

Its interesting. I wonder how much a first rounder is actually worth, money wise.

That is an interesting question and perhaps one that will receive an answer with this Hyman deal.

What I am almost 100% sure about: It is completely legal. Probably stupid on Holland's part, but legal.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I'd sign the hymen deal pay the bonus and send our 2nd rounder this year for edmontons 20th overall pick. None of that is likely to happen though.

 

[OVO16]

Probably just gonna get a 6th rd draft pick for next year. You guys overthinking this

 

[Menzinger]

Hyman has all the leverage since he can easily go to the open market

Yep very different situations.

One, a home drafted player who wants to stay with the team more than anything else vs a free agent chasing the biggest pay day possible

Their salaries will reflect that. And I'm already cringing about what Hymans will be (happy for the player though, seems like a good guy)

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Probably just gonna get a 6th rd draft pick for next year. You guys overthinking this

If that was all we were going to get, we would not be allowing teams to court him. We would have just moved him like Tampa did with Goodrow.

If they did not come to a deal, too bad. Not our problem. They lost a 6th for nothing. Just like all of those other rights trades from the past couple of years (that did get completed).

If we are giving teams that extra year and the opportunity to talk to him early, I expect additional compensation. And if we are having to pay a signing bonus too, I expect significant additional compensation.

 

[Pinto]

If that was all we were going to get, we would not be allowing teams to court him. We would have just moved him like Tampa did with Goodrow.

If they did not come to a deal, too bad. Not our problem. They lost a 6th for nothing. Just like all of those other rights trades from the past couple of years (that did get completed).

If we are giving teams that extra year and the opportunity to talk to him early, I expect additional compensation. And if we are having to pay a signing bonus too, I expect significant additional compensation.

I think you’re setting yourself up for disappointment if you’re expecting anything more than a mid-round pick.

 

[OVO16]

If that was all we were going to get, we would not be allowing teams to court him. We would have just moved him like Tampa did with Goodrow.

If they did not come to a deal, too bad. Not our problem. They lost a 6th for nothing. Just like all of those other rights trades from the past couple of years (that did get completed).

If we are giving teams that extra year and the opportunity to talk to him early, I expect additional compensation. And if we are having to pay a signing bonus too, I expect significant additional compensation.

Yeah, you're definitely overthinking this.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I think you’re setting yourself up for disappointment if you’re expecting anything more than a mid-round pick.

Depends on the structure of the deal.

Yeah, you're definitely overthinking this.

It's never been done before. You don't know how complicated it is going to be. However even based on past deals, a 6th rounder is below market value even for just his rights. We are not just trading his rights at this point.

I'd expect at least a 4th if we are not paying out any money. If we are paying out money too, then who knows but it sure as heck better be more than a 4th.

 

[OVO16]

Depends on the structure of the deal.



It's never been done before. You don't know how complicated it is going to be. However even based on past deals, a 6th rounder is below market value even for just his rights. We are not just trading his rights at this point.

I'd expect at least a 4th if we are not paying out any money. If we are paying out money too, then who knows but it sure as heck better be more than a 4th.

I mean listen, I clearly aint complaining if we get a 4th.

 

[Gallagbi]

Depends on the structure of the deal.



It's never been done before. You don't know how complicated it is going to be. However even based on past deals, a 6th rounder is below market value even for just his rights. We are not just trading his rights at this point.

I'd expect at least a 4th if we are not paying out any money. If we are paying out money too, then who knows but it sure as heck better be more than a 4th.

What's your comparable for right? Wasn't Goodrow's exclusive rights traded for a 7th?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

What's your comparable for right? Wasn't Goodrow's exclusive rights traded for a 7th?

Hayes and Edmundson picked up a 5th each. I would say Hyman should get at that for his rights at least.

We also let teams negotiate with Hyman before trading him. Those teams had to get the deal done or lose the pick.

I'd say Hyman's rights are worth more than Goodrow's. Goodrow is a couple tiers below Hyman as a UFA.

 

[McSnypsky]

Don’t see many sign and trades in the NHL.. wonder how much trade value that is for Holland to get that extra year and keep the AAV down

This contract could be something else

I guess $4.75 x 8 with a full NMC

4.75 puts him where Tuch is and Tuch plays on the 3rd line on Vegas and is 25yrs old, problem is people think Hyman's a 1st liner :| So Edmonton is thinking they are getting huge deal!

 

[McSnypsky]

Local kid, fits well on a skill line, will be cheap, and has the Soo connection. Bunting went undrafted in the OHL twice and was selected by Dubas in the 9th round as an 18 year old when he did well in the GTHL. Worked out pretty well for him and Keefe then, should work well for the Leafs now.

I wanted him years ago, and I brought him up months ago. Seems like a perfect fit for what we want out of our top 6 LW this year.

Galchenyuk would be a perfect fit for the other. He wants to be here, he made some tough choices (going to the AHL, waiting for his opportunity, etc.) to develop properly, he puts his body on the line, and he has skill. There is also still room for him to grow even more and turn into at least a 20 goal scorer again, especially if he is playing with the Big 4 over a full season... And he too will be extremely cheap.

That should leave around 7 mill to add a quality backup, a 3rd liner, and a #7 to the group. And that is without moving Kerfoot or Engvall if we choose to go that route (of course keeping in mind that we'd need to replace them).

Mcann had Soo connection and look what that got him hmmm...

 

[Superstar]

Hall extends at 4 years and 24M

Overall his 1 year deal + this deal gives him 5 years and 32M or 6.4M per year

His play dropped a bit, he choose a bad team in Buffalo who killed his season but he still has a lot of elite skill and tools

He's making 400k more than his 2nd contract on average since he last became a UFA. He really got screwed by the Cap not rising and his own dumb choice to go to Sabres

Would be unbelievable if Edmonton pays 8 x $6 million for Hyman, considering what Hall got.

 

[Knies iT]

I am curious to see the reaction if the Leafs somehow manage to get #20 and perhaps a B prospect out of trading Hyman by paying his signing bonus and giving EDM that extra year.

Highly doubt it.

If TOR pays Hyman's signing bonus + gives them the 8th year + takes on Klefbom for LTIR purposes (assuming his prognosis is bad and his long-term return is unlikely), then I think you get closer. Even still, 20th OV is rich.

But, it is Ken Holland.

 

[Superstar]

Depends on the structure of the deal.



It's never been done before. You don't know how complicated it is going to be. However even based on past deals, a 6th rounder is below market value even for just his rights. We are not just trading his rights at this point.

I'd expect at least a 4th if we are not paying out any money. If we are paying out money too, then who knows but it sure as heck better be more than a 4th.

I don't think Dubas dares to go to the board this time around to ask them to pay for Hyman's signing bonus only to ship him out...I think he's done enough damage with those huge signing bonuses for Tavares, Matthews and Marner, and seeing them wet the bet during playoff time.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I don't think Dubas dares to go to the board this time around to ask them to pay for Hyman's signing bonus only to ship him out...I think he's done enough damage with those huge signing bonuses for Tavares, Matthews and Marner, and seeing them wet the bet during playoff time.

They were willing to pay huge money for Horton not to play for us just to save cap space. I think they would be willing to pay a few million to see us get a 1st round pick for no assets in return.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Highly doubt it.

If TOR pays Hyman's signing bonus + gives them the 8th year + takes on Klefbom for LTIR purposes (assuming his prognosis is bad and his long-term return is unlikely), then I think you get closer. Even still, 20th OV is rich.

But, it is Ken Holland.

Leafs taking on way too much money just for 20th overall. Taking on Klefbom makes no sense for us, so I don't see that happening. Then if we have to pay a high signing bonus in that first year, we should be asking for a 1st round pick. We are doing them a huge favour. It's not our problem if they want to spend that favour on something stupid.

Compensate us or screw off. Don't give him a signing bonus in the first year. Or don't give him 8 years. We tell them to give us a mid-round pick and tell them to figure it out on their own.

 

[Superstar]

Hall for 6 million...Carle for 4.... pastrnak for 7.... credit to Boston. Meanwhile in Toronto...

Yep, where drafted RFAs screw their own team over by demanding max dollars or sit...why the heck do we still want them around? It's kind of ridiculous if you think about it...if they don't want to be a Leaf at a fair deal, ship them out...there's no Stanley Cup with their name on it.

 

[Superstar]

They were willing to pay huge money for Horton not to play for us just to save cap space. I think they would be willing to pay a few million to see us get a 1st round pick for no assets in return.

The pandemic has hit some pocket books pretty hard...outlook might have changed.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

The pandemic has hit some pocket books pretty hard...outlook might have changed.

I think Dubas knows how far the board would go, which is why EDM is going to have to really make it worth our while if they want to go that route.

Not sure the Leafs consider paying anything unless they get a 1st. Otherwise they tell them we will give them the 8th year but we are not paying signing bonuses. IDK what the extra year will be worth, but it has to be worth something fairly good. Not #20, but perhaps a 2023 2nd?

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Wild bought out Suter, and lost Soucy (who they had pegged to replace Suter’s minutes)

I wonder if we can swing a Dermott+ for Kahkonen deal.

Not sure what the + would be, but I’d assume they’d have some interest in a young potential top 4 Dman, and we do need another goalie.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I think Dubas knows how far the board would go, which is why EDM is going to have to really make it worth our while if they want to go that route.

Not sure the Leafs consider paying anything unless they get a 1st. Otherwise they tell them we will give them the 8th year but we are not paying signing bonuses. IDK what the extra year will be worth, but it has to be worth something fairly good. Not #20, but perhaps a 2023 2nd?

If the contract is going 8 years, provided there is not a NMC in the 1st year, could we not hold Edmonton hostage the second after Hyman signs the contract to get a better deal?

We have cap space and you can go 10% over in the offseason, so worst case you hang onto him for a bit and see if you can up the price.