GDT: Trades & Free Agency Thread - post expansion list

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Wild bought out Suter, and lost Soucy (who they had pegged to replace Suter’s minutes)

I wonder if we can swing a Dermott+ for Kahkonen deal.

Not sure what the + would be, but I’d assume they’d have some interest in a young potential top 4 Dman, and we do need another goalie.

The Wild do not have any other NHL ready goalies other than Talbot and Kahkonen at the moment so they need him more than we do.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

If the contract is going 8 years, provided there is not a NMC in the 1st year, could we not hold Edmonton hostage the second after Hyman signs the contract to get a better deal?

We have cap space and you can go 10% over in the offseason, so worst case you hang onto him for a bit and see if you can up the price.

I wouldn't want to be stuck with Hyman if EDM backs away.

Everything has to be 100% laid out and committed before anything is finalized.

Dubas might as well push. See what you can get. Maybe it is not 20, but there could be a decent prospect and a pick in it for us. Anything is gravy for a guy who does not want to be here and is a pending UFA. Of course, I wouldn't pay SB for anything less than a 1st though.

 

[Kiwi]

I am curious to see the reaction if the Leafs somehow manage to get #20 and perhaps a B prospect out of trading Hyman by paying his signing bonus and giving EDM that extra year.

Meanwhile in the land where reality is actually a thing......

#20 and a B prospect for the rights to Hyman, if we get a mid round pick it's a win

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Meanwhile in the land where reality is actually a thing......

#20 and a B prospect for the rights to Hyman, if we get a mid round pick it's a win

I never once said it was that much for his rights. I specifically said if we have to pay his signing bonus.

If we are just trading rights, we will only get a mid round pick. If we are doing EDM a favor by getting them the 8th year, we may get a round or two higher than just trading rights.

If we are paying his first year signing bonus (i.e. there is a signing bonus in the first year of his contract) as well, then I would want #20. Otherwise, I would tell EDM to make sure there is no signing bonus in his first year of his deal.

We aren't paying money just to get a meh pick.

 

[Menzinger]

Don’t see many sign and trades in the NHL.. wonder how much trade value that is for Holland to get that extra year and keep the AAV down

This contract could be something else

I guess $4.75 x 8 with a full NMC

I think it's got to be a higher aav than that. If it was under 5 mil I'd Isuspect he'd be a Leaf tomorrow

 

[Visnovsky]

Just an idea, no real rumors behind any of this:

Engvall + 2022 2nd + rights to Kokkonen and Rindell for Kuemper
Dermott for Greenway
Sign Bunting (something along the lines of two to three years around 1,25 mil)

I don't know if that is enough for Kuemper, nor do I know if it suits Arizona's needs - but that's something I'd be very comftorable with.

This would atleast for the start of the season, solve our left wing issues and we'd still have room to add a veteran D as a 7th.

 

[kb]

Highly doubt it.

If TOR pays Hyman's signing bonus + gives them the 8th year + takes on Klefbom for LTIR purposes (assuming his prognosis is bad and his long-term return is unlikely), then I think you get closer. Even still, 20th OV is rich.

But, it is Ken Holland.

Why on Earth would the Leafs take Klefbom??? They need player who can play, not players on the sidelines. He kills the Leafs cap situation.

 

[Warden of the North]

Hyman has two, maybe three good years left.

The last 4 or 5 are going to be ugly.

 

[ToneDog]

Why on Earth would the Leafs take Klefbom??? They need player who can play, not players on the sidelines. He kills the Leafs cap situation.

Buying assets by taking on bad contracts. That is where we are. Dubas can't buy his way out of this mess but he is trying.

 

[4thline]

I never once said it was that much for his rights. I specifically said if we have to pay his signing bonus.

If we are just trading rights, we will only get a mid round pick. If we are doing EDM a favor by getting them the 8th year, we may get a round or two higher than just trading rights.

If we are paying his first year signing bonus (i.e. there is a signing bonus in the first year of his contract) as well, then I would want #20. Otherwise, I would tell EDM to make sure there is no signing bonus in his first year of his deal.

We aren't paying money just to get a meh pick.

To my recollection we're in uncharted waters here, as if what Elliot is reporting is true Edmonton is now set up to gain a defined benefit far more valuable than the chance to talk to him early. ~700k cap space for the life of the contract is huge.

And the dynamic is interesting too. Holland can play the "if you don't take what I'm offering I'll sign him anyway and you get nothing"card,
Dubas the "if you don't give me what I want you light 700k per year for the rest of your tenure on fire" card

 

[Brobust]

I wonder if Toronto can offer to eat Zach Hyman's first signing bonus.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Buying assets by taking on bad contracts. That is where we are. Dubas can't buy his way out of this mess but he is trying.

Except we're not in a mess at all, and that's not what we're doing.

 

[Brobust]

To my recollection we're in uncharted waters here, as if what Elliot is reporting is true Edmonton is now set up to gain a defined benefit far more valuable than the chance to talk to him early. ~700k cap space for the life of the contract is huge.

And the dynamic is interesting too. Holland can play the "if you don't take what I'm offering I'll sign him anyway and you get nothing"card,
Dubas the "if you don't give me what I want you light 700k per year for the rest of your tenure on fire" card

The Andrew Ladd deal was 2 2nds for $5M in cap relief and that's not a proper comparable because Toronto doesn't actually take on any cap space.

My guess is 2 4th round picks. If they eat his SB, then a 2nd and 4th.

 

[ToneDog]

Except we're not in a mess at all, and that's not what we're doing.

Sorry Dekes I've stopped listening to your spins. I trust reality and what I see happe ing on and off the ice but keep spinning if it makes you feel good or getting a paycheck.

 

[Brobust]

Sorry Dekes I've stopped listening to your spins. I trust reality and what I see happe ing on and off the ice but keep spinning if it makes you feel good or getting a paycheck.

Very funny coming from you.

 

[4thline]

The Andrew Ladd deal was 2 2nds for $5M in cap relief and that's not a proper comparable because Toronto doesn't actually take on any cap space.

My guess is 2 4th round picks. If they eat his SB, then a 2nd and 4th.

If they had a 2nd I'd want it. Using Lehner's 500k for a 5th , 700k = 4th, 7 years x 700k (but each year out makes it worth less)...

With their lack of picks I'm wondering about Hyman + 2nd for 20th ovr.

Part of me says take the 4th and be happy, other part says that Holland just paid assets for Keith, anything can happen

 

[Mickey Marner]

Negotiating how to trade our hardest working player away in order to give the Oilers cap savings leaves a bad taste in my mouth. If we let him go I want that contract to hurt, not be tenable.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Sorry Dekes I've stopped listening to your spins. I trust reality and what I see happe ing on and off the ice but keep spinning if it makes you feel good or getting a paycheck.

The only one spinning anything here is you. You're suggesting Dubas is in some imaginary "mess", but no explanation of what that "mess" is. You're suggesting that Dubas is trying to "buy his way out", based on a hypothetical fan suggestion on a message board that isn't real or happening. And this "buy his way out" narrative directly contradicts the false "cap hell" narrative you've been pushing for a while.

 

[Dreakmur]

The Andrew Ladd deal was 2 2nds for $5M in cap relief and that's not a proper comparable because Toronto doesn't actually take on any cap space.

My guess is 2 4th round picks. If they eat his SB, then a 2nd and 4th.

I’m not sure Edmonton cares about saving money. The reason they want the 8th year is likely to lower the cap hit. A 2nd and 4th seems steep.

 

[Dreakmur]

The only one spinning anything here is you. You're suggesting Dubas is in some imaginary "mess", but no explanation of what that "mess" is. You're suggesting that Dubas is trying to "buy his way out", based on a hypothetical fan suggestion on a message board that isn't real or happening. And this "buy his way out" narrative directly contradicts the false "cap hell" narrative you've been pushing for a while.

He was way off in his comment about buying our way out of trouble… but we are in a mess.

 

[Brobust]

I’m not sure Edmonton cares about saving money. The reason they want the 8th year is likely to lower the cap hit. A 2nd and 4th seems steep.

Apparently a big reason they targeted Keith was because of his actual salary.

Their logic with Keith was basically the same as the leafs logic with Holl but with actual salary instead of cap hit.

 

[ToneDog]

He was way off in his comment about buying our way out of trouble… but we are in a mess.

When you are up against the cap, are thin on prospects, have 6 picks in the next two years, have many holes to fill what do you call taking on Kleftbom who can't play from what I heard?

 

[Brobust]

If they had a 2nd I'd want it. Using Lehner's 500k for a 5th , 700k = 4th, 7 years x 700k (but each year out makes it worth less)...

With their lack of picks I'm wondering about Hyman + 2nd for 20th ovr.

Part of me says take the 4th and be happy, other part says that Holland just paid assets for Keith, anything can happen

Giving up a 1st would be a lot of bad press. People would talk about it instead of the player they signed.

 

[4thline]

Giving up a 1st would be a lot of bad press. People would talk about it instead of the player they signed.

True. I suspect their dearth of picks in rounds 2-4 in the next two drafts is complicating things

 

[Dreakmur]

When you are up against the cap, are thin on prospects, have 6 picks in the next two years, have many holes to fill what do you call taking on Kleftbom who can't play from what I heard?

If he can’t play, he doesn’t get paid.