GDT: Trades & Free Agency Thread - post expansion list

[LeafParade]

I bet Kefoot plays LW with JT and Nylander and the leafs find a cheap vet 3C.

Really liked Nylander/Kerfoot in the playoffs. Had some good chemistry and speed

Nylander and Kerfoot have chemistry, but Tavares didn't exactly look great with them when the 3 were together.

Nylander is a bit of a chameleon in that he can play different styles so you can play him with Tavares or Kerfoot. Tavares and Kerfoot don't seem to jell. Tavares has a more cycle game which is why he doesnt' need the most talented wingers. Kerfoot is more of an open ice player.

 

[SprDaVE]

Justin Holl - game 7 even strength
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Game 5 - Jake Muzzin in partially

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For fun - game 4 with a healthy Muzzin

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Man how are we gonna replace him????

The whole team was kinda bad, Holl included. That doesn't remove his last 2 years of pretty consistent and alright numbers.

 

[LaPlante94]

You're right, our D was solid last year. We need to focus on a third line with intangibles. Kerfoot isn't ideal but he could work there if he had some wingers not named Mikheyev and Engvall.

Is it too soon to say McCann could've been that guy?

 

[Smif]

Well it looks like Pittsburgh gained Hallander and a 7th round pick and got rid of a bad contract in Tanev. So basically they lost what we lost and that's just McCann. I wouldn't say they lost two quality roster players when they got Hallinder who can probably replace Tanev at a much cheaper price. Dubas screwed up, it's ok to admit that. Everyone isn't perfect.

The Hallander for McCann trade was a homerun for Dubas. Losing Tanev in the ED doesn't change that.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The whole team was kinda bad, Holl included. That doesn't remove his last 2 years of pretty consistent and alright numbers.

They're very poor without Muzzin though.

Hell, we should really wonder what else Muzzin could provide to us if he wasn't weighed down by the anchor that is Holl, because it really does look like Holl is barely NHL caliber without him as the numbers show.

 

[LaPlante94]

The whole team was kinda bad, Holl included. That doesn't remove his last 2 years of pretty consistent and alright numbers.

He's easily replaceable though and we could use every savings on our cap we can get since we don't want to move Marner.

 

[Smif]

Is it too soon to say McCann could've been that guy?

Ya, he's a top 6 LW or bust. Goodrow was my guy but he got PAID. Hopefully Dubas addresses this.

 

[Torontonian]

The Habs d stopped our 3 elie amigos while ours could not stop their three smurfs. IMO as it stands our d core is middle of the pack at best and it will be plain to see starting in October when we won't be facing the same sad 7 teams.

You're much smarter to know the blame is on our forwards rather then our D that entire series.. At least I hope anyways...

Might as well go ahead and blame the golden boy Campbell for not posting any shutouts or stopping them either, like Fredrick Andersen the past years.

 

[LaPlante94]

The Hallander for McCann trade was a homerun for Dubas. Losing Tanev in the ED doesn't change that.

It was a great trade, but just pointing out that Pittsburgh only lost what we lost pretty much and that was McCann since losing Tanev was a good thing for them. The only difference is at least they got a decent prospect and a 7th round pick for losing McCann.

 

[SprDaVE]

They're very poor without Muzzin though.

Hell, we should really wonder what else Muzzin could provide to us if he wasn't weighed down by the anchor that is Holl, because it really does look like Holl is barely NHL caliber without him as the numbers show.

They are not "very poor" nor do they show a barely NHLer at all. That's completely disengenious. He isn't an all-star or great, but it's certainly at the very worse, a bottom pairing defenseman. But he plays 20+ minutes against tough opponents and does relatively well.

He's easily replaceable though and we could use every savings on our cap we can get since we don't want to move Marner.

Easily replaceable by who exactly? That's easy to say.

Remind me in 3 months to see who was signed in free agency, for around the same cap hit/term and let's see the quality of RHD defenseman we could have had.

Right now I see Demers, Erik Gudbranson, Hamonic, Ceci, Barrie and Bogosian as the "top" RHDs. Should be fun.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Well it looks like Pittsburgh gained Hallander and a 7th round pick and got rid of a bad contract in Tanev. So basically they lost what we lost and that's just McCann. I wouldn't say they lost two quality roster players when they got Hallinder who can probably replace Tanev at a much cheaper price. Dubas screwed up, it's ok to admit that. Everyone isn't perfect.

If Tanev had a bad contact Seattle wouldn’t select him.
Seattle is passing on lots of bad deals (zucker, price, tank) in favour of quality.

 

[kb]

Everyone here wants to shit on Dubas for trading for McCann then having him selected making our XD loss Hallander + 7th are ignoring the other side of this coin. Hextall and Burke just lost two quality roster players in the XD trying to outsmart others. Dumbass Dubas lost none.

THIS!!!

People are missing the forest for the trees. Hextall lose McCann + another, while getting back Hallander.

The Leafs took advantage of this situation to mitigate themselves for any outcome.

 

[Nylanderthal]

There's lots of reasons to shit on Dubas

Maybe, maybe not…. This expansion draft experience is definitely not one tho.

 

[Smif]

It was a great trade, but just pointing out that Pittsburgh only lost what we lost pretty much and that was McCann since losing Tanev was a good thing for them. The only difference is at least they got a decent prospect and a 7th round pick for losing McCann.

We most likely could've done the same thing, not traded for McCann, traded Kerfoot for a Hallander type prospect and then lost Dermott to Seattle. Seems like a lot of holes to fill that way, though.

Keeping your own isn't sexy but it's often better than replacing them via free agency.

 

[ToneDog]

You're much smarter to know the blame is on our forwards rather then our D that entire series.. At least I hope anyways...

Might as well go ahead and blame the golden boy Campbell for not posting any shutouts or stopping them either, like Fredrick Andersen the past years.

My point was that our D and goalie were not able to do what the Habs' D and goalie were able to do against our so-called elite offence. Our D and Goalie bent while theirs stood tall. Now imagine how our D handle the Isles, Tampa. Bruins, Avs, Canes, Knights and Caps. I doubt it would be pretty.

 

[LaPlante94]

They are not "very poor" nor do they show a barely NHLer at all. That's completely disengenious. He isn't an all-star or great, but it's certainly at the very worse, a bottom pairing defenseman. But he plays 20+ minutes against tough opponents and does relatively well.



Easily replaceable by who exactly?

Well, we just signed Dermott again and he's better than Holl. that's 1 guy. I'd say Sandin but I wouldn't like Muzzin and Sandin together since they aren't the best of skaters. Liljegren deserves a shot and I think Muzzin would be the perfect partner to get him used to the NHL game.

 

[SprDaVE]

Well, we just signed Dermott again and he's better than Holl. that's 1 guy. I'd say Sandin but I wouldn't like Muzzin and Sandin together since they aren't the best of skaters. Liljegren deserves a shot and I think Muzzin would be the perfect partner to get him used to the NHL game.

We have those players AND Holl. Sounds like this is good then? If Holl craps the bed as you seem to think he will do, we have the players to replace him and put Holl in a more favourable position. Depth is good.

 

[Menzinger]

My point was that our D and goalie were not able to do what the Habs' D and goalie were able to do against our so-called elite offence. Our D and Goalie bent while theirs stood tall. Now imagine how our D handle the Isles, Tampa. Bruins, Avs, Canes, Knights and Caps. I doubt it would be pretty.

The Habs D and goalie let in more goals against that series than the Leafs guys did that series.

 

[ToneDog]

Maybe Dubas should have pulled a Bergevin and got JT to waive; expose him and protect McCann. Might not be so bad to free up $11m in cap space.

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

Look at the caliber of defensemen available to Seattle and who they have signed/leaked to have been selected…

Does anyone really think they would have took Holl even if he was exposed to them? Who does he really overtake on their projected top 6? Leafs must have known Hakstol had a huge crush on him or something not to go 7-3-1 and keep the versatile asset we just picked up that filled one of our team’s needs to a tee

Excluding pending UFAs it was actually kind of slim pickings on D. Seattle managed to sign some of the pending UFAs (but cost themselves a chance to take someone else). And yes Hakstol does reportedly like Holl..

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Well, we just signed Dermott again and he's better than Holl. that's 1 guy. I'd say Sandin but I wouldn't like Muzzin and Sandin together since they aren't the best of skaters. Liljegren deserves a shot and I think Muzzin would be the perfect partner to get him used to the NHL game.

Leafs can still do that but by keeping Holl, you have a really strong 3rd pairing of Dermott-Holl (which is much better than Dermott-Bogosian) and you still have Holl there to step up into the top 4 and play in certain situations in case Liljegren is not ready for the full load right away. Best case scenario, you have a strong 2nd pairing and a much better 3rd pairing than you had last year. Worst case, you still have the same top 4 and a bottom pairing that should still be good, or at least a couple of insurance options that should be able to work (Sandin, a 7th defenseman UFA we sign, and perhaps one other guy we sign for the Marlies) in case Liljegren is completely incapable.

Dubas does not even need to touch the top 6 defense at all if he does not want to. Or if he does want to, he can even move Dermott for value (which likely exceeds Hallander + a 7th) and sign a UFA he likes to replace him in addition to a new #7 and maybe one more guy for the Marlies. He has that option now.

 

[ToneDog]

The Habs D and goalie let in more goals against that series than the Leafs guys did that series.

Not when it counted and 3 games in a row, two at home. Sorry I am not bullish on our D when comparing it to the likes of the final four and a couple more 2nd round teams. I doubt they prove me wrong starting in October.

 

[LaPlante94]

If Tanev had a bad contact Seattle wouldn’t select him.
Seattle is passing on lots of bad deals (zucker, price, tank) in favour of quality.

For a guy who has a career high 29 points I'd say his contract isn't the greatest. Seattle obviously took him because of the way he plays and if they have to they can easily retain 50% on that salary and move him to damn near every team in the league.

 

[kb]

Well it looks like Pittsburgh gained Hallander and a 7th round pick and got rid of a bad contract in Tanev. So basically they lost what we lost and that's just McCann. I wouldn't say they lost two quality roster players when they got Hallinder who can probably replace Tanev at a much cheaper price. Dubas screwed up, it's ok to admit that. Everyone isn't perfect.

If it is so bad....why did Seattle ignore the other "Better players" or "good contracts" to take the bad one?

It's OK to admit he was right and you are wrong. Honestly.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

The Habs D and goalie let in more goals against that series than the Leafs guys did that series.

If the Leafs get one more goal from AM/MM they win that series. MTL didn't generate much/the Leafs D overall was good. What was probably their weakest component of the roster (scoring depth), which they sacrificed to get Brodie and fix their D (good decision) even performed better than expected within that series (Kerfoot, Spezza). So what do you fix? You probably just have to hope AM/MM figure it out.

The margins in this league are razor thin. Its what allows average/decent teams to go on a sun-run to the finals (MTL, DAL).

The idea the roster and team is excruciatingly flawed in comparison is hyperbole IMO. My biggest concern with the roster is that with so much $$$ given to the top 4 - they really need all of them healthy to go on a run.

They are losing Hyman though and going to struggle to bring back a lineup that is as good as the one they iced last year. Curious to see what moves are in store.