GDT: Trades & Free Agency Thread - post expansion list

[Nylanderthal]

Mommy……make it go away.

Pretty similar to my thoughts when I see your header as I scroll down my screen. Gosh this clown again, wish he’d go away

 

[SeaOfBlue]

A common theme over most of the successful teams in recent memory was that they had big, mean lineups. Maybe not 30 fight teams. But, they were equipped for a long grinding playoff run. Dubas just does not understand this philosophy. He is refusing to adapt. After this move I don't really think he plans on addressing it. I'm almost done with him, give me Francis.

What is their alternative? It is not like teams are exposing high end skill guys, so at least get guys who run people through the boards.

I also like how people think adding Gourde, Tanev, Larsson, and Oleksiak make them a gritty team. Gourde, Oleksiak, and Larsson are about as gritty as Kerfoot, Muzzin, and Holl.

 

[rumman]

Pretty similar to my thoughts when I see your header as I scroll down my screen. Gosh this clown again, wish he’d go away

You know there are options at your disposal to not see posts, they’re a good option for those only interested in like minded opinions.

 

[Jozay]

 

[dubplatepressure]

He’s not better tho, different yea, but he’s not better and not better in the things we’re looking for now.
Kerfoots the better two way player and playoff performer.
I don’t see how anyone can be upset at this, we capped our XD losses to a middling prospect and a 7th.

I saw a lot of McCann the last 2 seasons. I would have preferred him to Kerfoot. Even if I assume it's a wash, IMO, it's poor asset value to spend Hallander to keep Kerfoot. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Legion34]

I saw a lot of McCann the last 2 seasons. I would have preferred him to Kerfoot. Even if I assume it's a wash, IMO, it's poor asset value to spend Hallander to keep Kerfoot. I hope I'm wrong.

do you think kerfoot value is hallander?

 

[kb]

What the actual f***. So Dubas traded a prospect to a team to get a player that by all accounts is better than Kerfoot, so he could keep Kerfoot?

My god. I am a bit shocked at this.

It wasn't to protect Kerfoot. It was to protect Holl and mitigate the loss of a forward at the cost of the Leafs 4th best LW prospect.

 

[ACC1224]

What the actual f***. So Dubas traded a prospect to a team to get a player that by all accounts is better than Kerfoot, so he could keep Kerfoot?

My god. I am a bit shocked at this.

Yes, it really makes little sense. Hopefully it will one day.

 

[mydnyte]

I agree I am more than ok with them selecting McCann over Kerfoot. We dont need any change for the sake of change. Eliminating Kerfoot makes the team weaker. I am fine with McCann leaving.

Kerfoot may still be dealt (especially if Seattle is as high on him as rumored), and the only thing that I preferred McCann over Kerfoot was his shot on the PP, but, Galchenyk has a great one timer, and we pretty much didnt use him, so, what chance would McCann have gotten anyways

 

[dubplatepressure]

It wasn't to protect Kerfoot. It was to protect Holl and mitigate the loss of a forward at the cost of the Leafs 4th best LW prospect.

Is Holl really worth that kind of protection? What happened to just losing Kerfoot and finding another 3C or slotting McCann there?

 

[Jozay]

Holl is essentially worth McCann to the leafs lol

 

[kb]

Is Holl really worth that kind of protection? What happened to just losing Kerfoot and finding another 3C or slotting McCann there?

Mitigation strategy for that loss either way. A bird in the hand is always better as you have zero control over UFA's, and if Bogo is any indication.....Canadian teams will not be a hot destination due to the restrictions that may or may not be in place.

Kerfoot - once his bonus is paid - is only owed $750K for this season, and $3.45 million cash total over the next 2 seasons....or roughly what McCann is getting for this season alone. That is a very overlooked aspect of this....the Leafs aren't wedded to Kerfoot.

 

[Community]

Holl is essentially worth McCann, Hallander and a 7th to the Leafs lol

So many people dont understand how this trade works.


If I trade a 2nd for player A, then trade player A for player B, then B for C, that doesn't mean player C is worth a 2nd + player A + player B (which is what you are implying).

The net loss in assets from last week to this week is Hallander and a 7th. If you think Holl is worth less than McCann and Kerfoot so we shouldn't have protected him, that's a different argument but it doesn't change the value of who we lost from our roster.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Mitigation strategy for that loss either way. A bird in the hand is always better as you have zero control over UFA's, and if Bogo is any indication.....Canadian teams will not be a hot destination due to the restrictions that may or may not be in place.

Kerfoot - once his bonus is paid - is only owed $750K for this season, and $3.45 million cash total over the next 2 seasons....or roughly what McCann is getting for this season alone. That is a very overlooked aspect of this....the Leafs aren't wedded to Kerfoot.

And Kerfoot would almost certainly receive more in a trade than Hallander + a 7th.

 

[stickty111]

Really hope Dubas has something planned for the off season. His job depends on it. I'm not liking the start.

 

[Jozay]

So many people dont understand how this trade works.


If I trade a 2nd for player A, then trade player A for player B, then B for C, that doesn't mean player C is worth a 2nd + player A + player B (which is what you are implying).

The net loss in assets from last week to this week is Hallander and a 7th. If you think Holl is worth less than McCann and Kerfoot so we shouldn't have protected him, that's a different argument but it doesn't change the value of who we lost from our roster.

Sure. Regardless, tough decision from the Leafs.

 

[LaPlante94]

He’s not better tho, different yea, but he’s not better and not better in the things we’re looking for now.
Kerfoots the better two way player and playoff performer.
I don’t see how anyone can be upset at this, we capped our XD losses to a middling prospect and a 7th.

That's not really the issue though. Idk why some are complaining about losing McCann over Kerfoot when that's not the problem/mistake Dubas made here. Protecting Holl over McCann just seems dumb, especially when we could've went 7-3-1. Our defence is fine and Muzzin can make his partners look good. Sometimes too good apparently because now people and apparently our management/staff think he's a top 4 d man when he isn't. Our problem was scoring. Our stars on our 1st line keep getting shut down and our 3rd line didn't even get a point I believe which McCann could help with. Hell, if they are that worried about it why not target Demelo in a trade. I'm sure they could use a guy like Kerfoot and if we want to trade Kerfoot it has to be this year since he has a NTC for his final year.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Kerfoot may still be dealt (especially if Seattle is as high on him as rumored), and the only thing that I preferred McCann over Kerfoot was his shot on the PP, but, Galchenyk has a great one timer, and we pretty much didnt use him, so, what chance would McCann have gotten anyways

This. McCann feasted on PP time with geno and Sid. He wasn’t likely going to be afforded that opportunity if here. Kerfoots the better player in pretty much every other facet of the game, plus he seems to be well liked in the room.
I still have no issues with the theory behind this move.

 

[Nylanderthal]

That's not really the issue though. Idk why some are complaining about losing McCann over Kerfoot when that's not the problem/mistake Dubas made here. Protecting Holl over McCann just seems dumb, especially when we could've went 7-3-1. Our defence is fine and Muzzin can make his partners look good. Sometimes too good apparently because now people and apparently our management/staff think he's a top 4 d man when he isn't. Our problem was scoring. Our stars on our 1st line keep getting shut down and our 3rd line didn't even get a point I believe which McCann could help with. Hell, if they are that worried about it why not target Demelo in a trade. I'm sure they could use a guy like Kerfoot and if we want to trade Kerfoot it has to be this year since he has a NTC for his final year.

Holl isn’t replaceable for his cap hit. Holl is a solid if unspectacular #4D. If he did the things people complained about at a better rate he’d be a #2.
4-4-1 was always the way to go.

 

[ACC1224]

And Kerfoot would almost certainly receive more in a trade than Hallander + a 7th.

If this occurs, things would make a lot more sense.

 

[LaPlante94]

Holl isn’t replaceable for his cap hit. Holl is a solid if unspectacular #4D. If he did the things people complained about at a better rate he’d be a #2.
4-4-1 was always the way to go.

He was our worst defenceman from the start of February. He even somehow made Muzzin look bad for a good part of that time too. So like I said, if they are that concerned that Liljegren or Dermott couldn't fill that spot go target Demelo in a trade and let Muzzin and Brodie be our #1 pair while Rielly gets a good defensive d man who can also help maintain possession of the puck when he's on the ice.

 

[Nylanderthal]

If this occurs, things would make a lot more sense.

Well he’s certainly not a cap dump, requiring multiple assets to off-load as some on here suggest

 

[The Podium]

Seems like the big debate around here is whether or not Holl was worth protection.

The fact that the big argument to the contrary is "well he sucks away from Muzzin" is a moot point considering he will continue to be paired with Muzzin.

However, I do understand that outrage moreso than the ones crying about the loss of McCann when 90% of people clearly have never seen him play.

Just an FYI to everyone involved, McCann isnt some offensively gifted big bodied winger, he is a defensive specialist who took advantage of PP time with Sid. He is actually a worse offensively, better defensively version of Kerfoot who is due for a raise next offseason and would actually be more expensive as early as 2022-2023 than Kerfoot.

I personally would have preferred McCann, mostly as a shakeup, but it definitely isnt some insurmountable loss.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

Would prefer to have lost Holl. Don't think its as disasterous as people think it is. I think Muzzin could carry Dermott similarly.

One thought I had though is whether or not this indicates they are considering a Rielly trade more. Presumably if you move Rielly then you have two options at LD to move up with Brodie on the cheap (Dermott/Sandin). If you lost Holl, and Dermott moves to RD - then you're probably not trading Rielly and creating a hole at LD now that one of your internal options in Dermott to replace him is not available.

I expect they don't trade Rielly still and he re-signs in the mid 6s - but I guess we will see what they do in the next week. Hard to imagine they are going to run it back outright.

 

[Legion34]

Holl is essentially worth McCann, Hallander and a 7th to the Leafs lol

huh?

You realize you cant do that right?