yep, they all have pretty weak stats in G7s
leafs core will continue to be 2nd line producers while the elite superstars of the league will continue dominating the playoffs and winning cups (mack, rantanen, kuch, point, eichel etc) or having deep runs and insane production (mcdavid, draisaitl)
In our most recent example of what Nylander can do in the playoffs, coming off illness, in 4 games he broke an elimination game by sinking a breakaway in the third period. Then, in game 7 he scored in the third period with what should have been the gwg.
How about this lineup?
No 3 pts in 4 games isnt good enough to be a #2 on a cup winner
We have never tried 88 as C and I doubt we will tbh
Thought you meant #2 as a forward. Willy isn't a goalie or a defenceman.
No, we haven't tried 88 at C, really.
I meant #2 player on the team.
In the last 5 seasons, in games 3-5 (Columbus play-in round), and the last 2-3 series deciding games since then, Marner has 0 goals and 8 assists. He has been the least productive of the core 4.
I agree with this. If we assume that Marner cannot be moved for something of value by the TDL, and at this point I think that is a reasonable assumption, then I see only two viable options:
By definition, for as long as Mitch doesn't have a contract he will be playing for a contract all year.
I agree, I think we end up letting him walk. I like that option (and him having one last chance to prove it in a contract year) over dumping him in a losing trade or resigning him for more than we feel he is worth.
That's really what it comes down to. I suspect we've seen enough to make the right decision to move on, but it isn't an option. We're resigned to banking on the the smaller percent upside that Marners 9th year evaluation will produce us a Yzerman reborn. So we hope for that for now, because that's what we have, and then probably move on next year.
Earlier I replied to an Yzerman type comparison, either in this thread or another one.
Right, but we're not putting together a ten year plan here, that's sucking thumb and putting it in the wind.
Took Yzerman 14 years but he was on some abysmal teams without alot of support. He was their leading scorer by over 50 points at times
I actually made the point that th cap being in place nullifies any cross era examples. If Yzerman was eating 12% of his team'a cap they could not have built the team around him to win his first SC, when he was fifth in playoff scoring on a team that included Shanahan, Fedorov, Lidsrom, Fetisov, Larionov, and Murphy.
I don't disagree. The only actual point of comparison is that fans questioned Yzerman's heart and ability to bring it in the playoffs.
I'd preferred to have traded him prior to the draft, but here we are.
Linemates don't close that massive of a gap.
Players aren't paid based on team accomplishments in the playoffs.
It's odd how people who are the most dismissive of our star players - who think they suck in the playoffs and we can never win with them no matter what and want them gone - are the ones who claim they represent a "golden opportunity". It's contradictory. Worst in Leafs history is something nobody of this current era will come close to, as we've had some horrible management in our past, but Shanahan/Lou and Shanahan/Treliving are the ones that history will remember as the ones that screwed this era up.
Tavares is still a good 2C. 2C is the least of our problems. We need a 3C, but we seem to have prioritized bottom pairing defensemen, 4th liners, and unnecessary wingers.
As anther poster said you only sign him in order to trade him but if not, then the next best signing option is to not give him a full NMC so that if they decide they want to go in a different direction, they can. Not sure I agree with only giving the team one year to move him though and I doubt the Marner camp will give up the full NMC given they gave it to the other core members.
Sure we do. Some just refuse to recognize it. By your logic, we don't know what any player is.
