Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[Torontonian]

Personally I like Lily, but he also hasn't been able to fully cement himself as a true second pairing guy. Keefe/coaches also don't exactly trust him either.

I can see him getting dangled by Tre for a more proven vet with term

The problem with Lilly is like you said, he hasn't been able to take that next step and becoming a true top 4 d-man, and the coaches don't trust him in the playoffs, he struggles with playoff hockey.

Another factor is Treliving like's to build his d-core a certain way, as shown in Calgary and to a degree here in Toronto with Boosh trade / Beniot signing and to a degree the Klingberg signing (6ft 2), Lilly doesn't fit that mold.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

The problem with Lilly is like you said, he hasn't been able to take that next step and becoming a true top 4 d-man, and the coaches don't trust him in the playoffs, he struggles with playoff hockey.

Another factor is Treliving like's to build his d-core a certain way, as shown in Calgary and to a degree here in Toronto with Boosh trade / Beniot signing and to a degree the Klingberg signing (6ft 2), Lilly doesn't fit that mold.

You know he had Andersson, Kylington, and Weegar on his blueline, right?

 

[peconcan]

To Toronto-
Chychrun
Zub
Pinto

To Ottawa-
Brodie
Jarnkrok
Robertson
Niemela
Minten
1st Round Pick

Domi-Matthews-Nylander
Bertuzzi-Pinto-Marner
Knies-Tavares-McMann
Holmberg-Kampf-Reaves

Rielly-Zub
Chychrun-Liljegren
McCabe-Lyubushkin
Benoit

Ottawa laughs at this. Keep this away from the main board we would be attacked

 

[BertCorbeau]

This team is dumb. We're going to regret moving on from him. he's a good #3/#4 D.

No patience.. feels like Stralman vibes

 

[BertCorbeau]

Mantha has work ethic concerns… I mean if he’s motivated there is some good potential there.

Indifferenton the move

 

[Menzinger]

Mantha has work ethic concerns… I mean if he’s motivated there is some good potential there.

Indifferenton the move

He's a guy whose name/reputation is probably bigger than his actual on ice impact.

A decent gamble regardless for Vegas though

 

[Gabriel426]

He's a guy whose name/reputation is probably bigger than his actual on ice impact.

A decent gamble regardless for Vegas though

He is someone that will do well on a team with a strong structure and culture. Just glad he didn’t go to the Bruins. He will do well in Vegas

 

[Evilhomer]

He's a guy whose name/reputation is probably bigger than his actual on ice impact.

A decent gamble regardless for Vegas though

Given the retention on this deal, no doubt Vegas is far from done this week. But man have they ever looked terrible in most of their recent games.

 

[The Podium]

How about Pacioretty as a cheap winger option?

Probably won’t cost a ton in assets and at 50% retained it’s adding only 1 mill in cap.

 

[stickty111]

No patience.. feels like Stralman vibes

IDK what this team is basing this off of. He was put with a 40 year old Gio and all considered was fine. He gets more minutes and was doing well with it, and now that pair with Brodie had their first bad game and they are apparently close to being done with him?
This team makes no sense. They are going to do the same thing with Niemela. Just trade both of them if thats the case.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

How about Pacioretty as a cheap winger option?

Probably won’t cost a ton in assets and at 50% retained it’s adding only 1 mill in cap.

didnt he refuse to come here last time because of his ties with the habs. wonder if its still the same.

 

[LeafSteel]

To Toronto-
Chychrun
Zub
Pinto

To Ottawa-
Brodie
Jarnkrok
Robertson
Niemela
Minten
1st Round Pick

Domi-Matthews-Nylander
Bertuzzi-Pinto-Marner
Knies-Tavares-McMann
Holmberg-Kampf-Reaves

Rielly-Zub
Chychrun-Liljegren
McCabe-Lyubushkin
Benoit

Who does Treliving have naked pictures of in Ottawa for the Senators to make that trade?

That package from Toronto doesn’t sniff that package from Ottawa.

 

[WTFMAN99]

RE: Liljegren

Defense you see really see 25-27 what you really have unless you have a phenom.

We don't have the patience in this market and the timeline is off, plus I think we flat out suck at developing defense.

Now, can you build a defense outside of the draft? Yes - Devils signed Hamilton, traded for Sieganthaler and Marino. They drafted Hughes but you could find another LD if you had to, they did have Graves as well. I blame their goaltending more than their defense they assembled.

Stralman and Forsling are 2 guys I think took a while to develop. I think Marcus Pettersson on Pittsburgh was basically considered a cap dump a couple years ago and has taken a couple of years to take the next step but last year, he's been good.

 

[Cleetus]

To Toronto-
Chychrun
Zub
Pinto

To Ottawa-
Brodie
Jarnkrok
Robertson
Niemela
Minten
1st Round Pick

Domi-Matthews-Nylander
Bertuzzi-Pinto-Marner
Knies-Tavares-McMann
Holmberg-Kampf-Reaves

Rielly-Zub
Chychrun-Liljegren
McCabe-Lyubushkin
Benoit

Ottawa says

 

[Gallagbi]

The problem with Lilly is like you said, he hasn't been able to take that next step and becoming a true top 4 d-man, and the coaches don't trust him in the playoffs, he struggles with playoff hockey.

Another factor is Treliving like's to build his d-core a certain way, as shown in Calgary and to a degree here in Toronto with Boosh trade / Beniot signing and to a degree the Klingberg signing (6ft 2), Lilly doesn't fit that mold.

It's funny, Lilj is 1" shorter and 5lbs heavier than Kling according to hockeydb while looking way shorter and much thicker.

 

[BertCorbeau]

IDK what this team is basing this off of. He was put with a 40 year old Gio and all considered was fine. He gets more minutes and was doing well with it, and now that pair with Brodie had their first bad game and they are apparently close to being done with him?
This team makes no sense. They are going to do the same thing with Niemela. Just trade both of them if thats the case.

When Rielly has been out, Lily has done well in bigger minutes.

He’s barely at 200 games played too… get’s a great candidate to low ball for term and watch him mature into a steady defender.

He’s also had that high ankle sprain this year.

One issue with Keefe it seems is his ability to develop young players at the NHL level. There have a been a fair share of Marlies graduates and Keefe can’t seem to develop them into quality staples of the line up.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Dermott, Sandin, and now maybe Lilly. Maybe it's team's development system thats the problem.

All 3 defensemen are of a similar style....not exactly undersized but not big enough to be a physically imposing shutdown defensemen while at the same time not having the required combination of skill to produce offense as a defensemen in the NHL. I have my fears that Neimela will be joining that group in the next few years. We have just continually drafted a certain profile of defensemen that I think is somewhat flawed.

 

[PromisedLand]

Rielly played 300+ games before he broke out. Liljegren is at about 180 odd games. Rielly was also not a yo-yo and got consistent playing time for development purposes.

Giving up on a young D-man is really dumb. Liljegren's partners have been what? Oldman Gio; now Brodie? And before who?

Is this how you develop a young D-man? I also don't like that they have Knies play top line minutes instead of developing him lower down the order before going scorched earth on him

 

[TMLAM34]

I definitely don’t want to move on from Liljegren. I think he’s someone who can be your #4 if you have a strong top four next to him. If you have another borderline second pairing dman next to him, he’s more of a #4/5. I wouldn’t mind trying Benoit - Liljegren on the third pair and trying to find McCabe a better partner.

 

[The Podium]

didnt he refuse to come here last time because of his ties with the habs. wonder if its still the same.

Apparently wants to go to a contender in the East. Doesn’t want to move his family coast to coast again.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Rielly played 300+ games before he broke out. Liljegren is at about 180 odd games. Rielly was also not a yo-yo and got consistent playing time for development purposes.

Giving up on a young D-man is really dumb. Liljegren's partners have been what? Oldman Gio; now Brodie? And before who?

Is this how you develop a young D-man? I also don't like that they have Knies play top line minutes instead of developing him lower down the order before going scorched earth on him

Liljegren did get more AHL seasoning than Rielly to be fair.

I would have liked to have both the LW and centre depth to bring Knies along more slowly too.

ROR returning would have been a good guy to learn from.

 

[The Podium]

You don’t trade a 24 year old defensemen that plays the rarest position in hockey.

Low risk high reward keeping him. He either is what he already is and settles in as a #5 as a reliable 3rd pairing guy that can play in your 4 spot if needed, or he grows into a true top 4/top pair RHD.

 

[Magic Man]

They have no faith in Liljegren. They have been playing lesser defenseman over him for years at important times. He will go somewhere else and instantly become a top-4 RHD.

 

[nuck]

The problem with Lilly is like you said, he hasn't been able to take that next step and becoming a true top 4 d-man, and the coaches don't trust him in the playoffs, he struggles with playoff hockey.

Another factor is Treliving like's to build his d-core a certain way, as shown in Calgary and to a degree here in Toronto with Boosh trade / Beniot signing and to a degree the Klingberg signing (6ft 2), Lilly doesn't fit that mold.

I think the biggest problem with Lilly is Keefe. If the coach doesn't like you, you are kind of screwed. It shouldn't take a Rielly suspension to get him important minutes. If he has value in the trade market and can be a component in adding a veteran RD then I am good with him being dealt. If the return is weak, why bother because Keefes replacement may get better results? If you want to add a decent RD with term then a young RD that still hasn't peaked might work for the right trade partner. Just would not want to deal him for a declining vet like Jensen or Savard.

 

[PromisedLand]

Liljegren did get more AHL seasoning than Rielly to be fair.

I would have liked to have both the LW and centre depth to bring Knies along more slowly too.

ROR returning would have been a good guy to learn from.

I've always been of the opinion that you can't develop D-men in the AHL. The quality of the forwards they face in AHL vs NHL the difference is significant!

I'd give Lily one more year at least to see how he is developing after not being a yo-yo because of freakin' Holl and getting consistent minutes. This is the year of evaluation of young talent IMO on top of retooling.

In terms of Knies I wouldn't mind if they ran

Jankrok-Matthews-Nylander
Bert-Domi-Marner
Knies-Tavares-McMann
4th line

I prefer having Matthews and Marner on different lines