Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[Leaffan1991]

What would this team actually have been if we kept Hyman, Moore? Perfect secondary pieces but no.. Dubas gets rid of the good secondary pieces always.. also McCann instead of Kerfoot or Holl, like wtf?

 

[Dekes For Days]

More than Samsonov?

Yes. And on a contract that is double the cost and 4 times as long.

 

[horner]

I disagree. I think Cowen, Minten, Knies, and our picks would all draw significant interest to a team not ready to compete.

Cowen is having a very good start to his year, no question teams would love to add that to their stable. I would only move him, though, for a cost controlled asset.

Cowen isn't going no where

 

[hockeynorth]

If Minten is going down, I’d roll with this:

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Bertuzzi - Tavares - Jarnkrok
Robertson - Domi - Nylander
Gregor - Kampf - McMann

I feel like that’s the optimal F group right now.

 

[SprDaVE]

If Minten is going down, I’d roll with this:

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Bertuzzi - Tavares - Jarnkrok
Robertson - Domi - Nylander
Gregor - Kampf - McMann

I feel like that’s the optimal F group right now.

What happened with Reaves?

 

[Dekes For Days]

What happened with Reaves?

Is shooting him into the sun an option?

 

[Americanadian]

If Domi doesn't work out I'd target Henrique as a replacement for his cap hit (@50% retained). Henrique can slide in at 3C or 1-3LW.

 

[Kurtz]

If Samsonov doesn't pick it up by the deadline, Kuemper will likely be available. He's on a reasonable cap hit and Washington will be entering a long rebuild so they likely wouldn't mind picking up some of the salary.

 

[Fogelhund]

If Domi doesn't work out I'd target Henrique as a replacement for his cap hit (@50% retained). Henrique can slide in at 3C or 1-3LW.

We certainly need more time to evaluate what we have, and don't have, and probably should look internally before making outside changes...but part of me wonders how advisable it is, to spend more futures assets, to bandaid what ails this team. It's probably reactionary on my part, and too soon in the year, but maybe at some point, we just say.... we pay some of you to be elite players, and lead your team to victories at critical times. To be the best players on the ice.. and really, you guys need to show that consistently, before we spend futures currency to assist those efforts.

 

[Evilhomer]

If Samsonov doesn't pick it up by the deadline, Kuemper will likely be available. He's on a reasonable cap hit and Washington will be entering a long rebuild so they likely wouldn't mind picking up some of the salary.

Samsonov won't be the issue. He will be back at a .915 save percentage in short order. The only issue with Samsonov is that Toronto probably won't be able to afford him after this season.

 

[Americanadian]

We certainly need more time to evaluate what we have, and don't have, and probably should look internally before making outside changes...but part of me wonders how advisable it is, to spend more futures assets, to bandaid what ails this team. It's probably reactionary on my part, and too soon in the year, but maybe at some point, we just say.... we pay some of you to be elite players, and lead your team to victories at critical times. To be the best players on the ice.. and really, you guys need to show that consistently, before we spend futures currency to assist those efforts.

You and I have disagreed lately but I wholeheartedly agree with this take.

 

[Americanadian]

If Samsonov doesn't pick it up by the deadline, Kuemper will likely be available. He's on a reasonable cap hit and Washington will be entering a long rebuild so they likely wouldn't mind picking up some of the salary.

Washington has a few interesting pieces if things go downhill. TVR would be a good fit with term. Dowd would be a much better 4C than Kampf given the current makeup of the Leafs 4th line.

 

[IPS]

This org just really struggles to draft and develop top 4 D.

Quit being a negative nancy.

Dermott, Sandin and Liljegren are the future of this D and it's awesome.

 

[weems]

We certainly need more time to evaluate what we have, and don't have, and probably should look internally before making outside changes...but part of me wonders how advisable it is, to spend more futures assets, to bandaid what ails this team. It's probably reactionary on my part, and too soon in the year, but maybe at some point, we just say.... we pay some of you to be elite players, and lead your team to victories at critical times. To be the best players on the ice.. and really, you guys need to show that consistently, before we spend futures currency to assist those efforts.

We can blame Dubas, Treliving, Keefe, Shanny, Babcock wheoever but at some point we might just have to accept that this build is flawed.

That isn't to say they aren't fantastic players or they haven't done their part, just that the "core" setup doesn't work either because of balance issues or stylistic issues.

If they can't get it done this season, for me the core definitely needs to be reshuffled and a big move needs to take place.

 

[TMLAM34]

We can blame Dubas, Treliving, Keefe, Shanny, Babcock wheoever but at some point we might just have to accept that this build is flawed.

That isn't to say they aren't fantastic players or they haven't done their part, just that the "core" setup doesn't work either because of balance issues or stylistic issues.

If they can't get it done this season, for me the core definitely needs to be reshuffled and a big move needs to take place.

Agreed. The core should have been reshuffled this past off-season IMO. Now we run the risk of loosing our second best player in Nylander for nothing.

 

[hockeynorth]

What happened with Reaves?

I would love to scratch Reaves unless he is absolutely needed

 

[Zero1]

What would this team actually have been if we kept Hyman, Moore? Perfect secondary pieces but no.. Dubas gets rid of the good secondary pieces always.. also McCann instead of Kerfoot or Holl, like wtf?

I still think they should have paid Hyman if they were planning to go all-in every year. The last few years would have sucked but if the Leafs haven’t won anything by then, there’s no point continuing with this core anyways.

I’m speaking in hindsight but there are plenty of moves these last few years that has been misses.

1. Foligno trade.
2. Letting Hyman walk.
3. McCabe over Ekholm.
4. Murray trade.
5. Mrazek signing.
6. Protecting Holl over McCann.

 

[Americanadian]

Agreed. The core should have been reshuffled this past off-season IMO. Now we run the risk of loosing our second best player in Nylander for nothing.

It goes beyond poor asset management with Nylander. They can't trade Marner at all now and if they do trade Nylander it's most likely not going to be a good return.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Cowen isn't going no where

So he's going somewhere?

 

[HeresJOHNNY]

Proposal I posted on the main boards..

To Islanders - William Nylander, TJ Brodie, Leafs 1st rounder (2024)
To Leafs - JG Pageau, Noah Dobson, Alex Romanov

Salary in/salary out hockey trade...

- Leafs get two top young D
- Islanders get a sniper and a puck mover to offset the losses

 

[Lahey]

Proposal I posted on the main boards..

To Islanders - William Nylander, TJ Brodie, Leafs 1st rounder (2024)
To Leafs - JG Pageau, Noah Dobson, Alex Romanov

Salary in/salary out hockey trade...

- Leafs get two top young D
- Islanders get a sniper and a puck mover to offset the losses

Leafs gain about 600k in cap space
Isles lose about 100k in cap spaceView attachment 755304

this is awful.

 

[Americanadian]

Proposal I posted on the main boards..

To Islanders - William Nylander, TJ Brodie, Leafs 1st rounder (2024)
To Leafs - JG Pageau, Noah Dobson, Alex Romanov

Salary in/salary out hockey trade...

- Leafs get two top young D
- Islanders get a sniper and a puck mover to offset the losses

Leafs gain about 600k in cap space
Isles lose about 100k in cap space

It's a fun proposal and I don't think it's bad value-wise (two pending UFA's for two 23 year old 3/4 D's signed for 6.5M) but I don't see how the defense would work with Dobson and Romanov added. I don't believe Dobson would be a stylistic fit with either of the 3 LD on the roster if that trade went through. He hasn't been great with Romanov, he would fit McCabe about as well as Klingberg has and he's too much like Rielly to partner with Rielly. Rielly also wouldn't be a stylistic fit with any of the RHD (Dobson, Liljegren, Klingberg). Pageau would be a bad contract to take on.

 

[Fogelhund]

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[Americanadian]

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He was very noticeable in a positive way in that bubble playoff series. He has been a below replacement level NHLer since then.

 

[ToneDog]

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Wow. Played with a friend's kid in AAA. Worth a shot IMO.