Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[SprDaVE]

Do you thinknthis team is good enough to win a cup , I don't.

Our defense needs at least 2 top 4 dman

I would keep our 1st

3rd + Abruzzese or McMann or Steeves

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.I would for a schenn type of dman to play with Mo

They offseason is when we will rebuild this D.

Dubas made sure we can't do anything we have no 1st next year and no 2nd rd pks for the next 2 yrs.

I would really love to keep our 1st because our scouting Department has uncovered Cowen Minten Grebyonkin.

We can't win? Dang. Let's just sell the players for picks and try again.

 

[ULF_55]

I'm through with band-aids

I've got to the point where I'd be willing to just pay the premium and go out and get a high quality top 4D who's in the correct age bracket with plenty of term left on his deal and I don't really care which side he shoots

We've seen over the years if a guys good enough he can carry a pair but we need at least one guy per pair who can carry a less than ideal partner

Easily, without hesitation any player bottom 6, any Marlie and 1st. + picks on the table.

There isn't too high a price to pay for another defender as good or better than Rielly.

You don't make the team better by sending out equal talent though.

 

[ULF_55]

Do you thinknthis team is good enough to win a cup , I don't.

Our defense needs at least 2 top 4 dman

I would keep our 1st

3rd + Abruzzese or McMann or Steeves

L

.I would for a schenn type of dman to play with Mo

They offseason is when we will rebuild this D.

Dubas made sure we can't do anything we have no 1st next year and no 2nd rd pks for the next 2 yrs.

I would really love to keep our 1st because our scouting Department has uncovered Cowen Minten Grebyonkin.

I know where you're coming from but I feel they'll just spin wheels unless they bring in someone who isn't buried by the ego's already on the team.

IMO would be better to spend what it takes to get their best defenseman and not diminish their forwards.

Right now I think it's just about money for the players in Toronto as there really isn't anything else to be proud of.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yep, we don't need to trade any assets for a player that will likely just end up on LTIR !!!

Just google his injury history. As he ages, it's likely only going to get worse.

Yeah I remember Tanev being discussed here a couple of years ago, and the consensus seemed to be that we weren't too interested because he was "made of glass". Now he's almost 34 and people think he's ironman or something LOL.

Tanev will be 34 in less than 3 weeks… long term shouldnt be in consideration for any contract. Which means giving up assets for a band aid solution, and I’m not really into that either.

You and me both.

 

[Evilhomer]

Yeah I remember Tanev being discussed here a couple of years ago, and the consensus seemed to be that we weren't too interested because he was "made of glass". Now he's almost 34 and people think he's ironman or something LOL.

You and me both.

For better or worse (depending on the cost, I guess), you get the feeling that Tanev is destined to be acquired and then resigned by the Leafs. It feels like the kind of "safe" move that Treliving will make.

 

[Al14]

For better or worse (depending on the cost, I guess), you get the feeling that Tanev is destined to be acquired and then resigned by the Leafs. It feels like the kind of "safe" move that Treliving will make.

Just like signing Klingberg was a 'safe' move !!! LOL

 

[Ziggdiezan]

So a $4.175 million increase.

$1.51 million went to Matthews... leaving $2.665 to go to Nylander, which gets him up to $9.6 million, which is a good framework for a new deal. Couch cushion money to pay the rest (if any) depending on how smoothly negotiations go. Minimal impact to the rest of the roster, for better or for worse.

Also gotta replace or give raises to pretty much the entire top 6 defense other than Rielly and then replace a bunch top 9 forwards too. It's going to be an interesting year if all the cap rise is taken up by Matthews & Nylander

 

[LeafParade]

Its hard to evaluate the possibilities because its not clear what the next contract looks like for some of the vets like Tanev. Are we talking a 2 year deal and at what price? I would just sign Tanev in the summer assuming the price is right.

I am saving the assets for a younger top 4 D.

 

[Avilaj07]

If we could move Brodie, I'm all for bringing in Tanev and Peeke to help solidify our defense. It's a pretty safe bet leafs resign Tanev and Peeke is still locked in for 2 more years. And then in the summer, sign one of Hanifin/Skjei.

Rielly (7.5mil)-Tanev (4.5mil)
Hanifin (8mil)-Liljegren (2.5mil)
McCabe (2mil)-Peeke (2.75mil)

That is a solid defense which should come in around 27.25 million total which is solid.

 

[horner]

Easily, without hesitation any player bottom 6, any Marlie and 1st. + picks on the table.

There isn't too high a price to pay for another defender as good or better than Rielly.

You don't make the team better by sending out equal talent though.

All iam saying is that to get a top 4 dman it will cost you a 1st + a top prospect Minten or Cowen since we don't have another 1st or 2nd next yr.
Iam not willing to trade Minten ,Cowen or Grebyonkin
I definitely don't what to use a first on Tanev or a UFA

Hanifin wants to play in the states and wants 7.5 mil

If we could move Brodie, I'm all for bringing in Tanev and Peeke to help solidify our defense. It's a pretty safe bet leafs resign Tanev and Peeke is still locked in for 2 more years. And then in the summer, sign one of Hanifin/Skjei.

Rielly (7.5mil)-Tanev (4.5mil)
Hanifin (8mil)-Liljegren (2.5mil)
McCabe (2mil)-Peeke (2.75mil)

That is a solid defense which should come in around 27.25 million total which is solid.

What are you willing to give up for Tanev and Peeke

 

[Avilaj07]

All iam saying is that to get a top 4 dman it will cost you a 1st + a top prospect Minten or Cowen since we don't have another 1st or 2nd next yr.
Iam not willing to trade Minten ,Cowen or Grebyonkin
I definitely don't what to use a first on Tanev or a UFA

Hanifin wants to play in the states and wants 7.5 mil


What are you willing to give up for Tanev and Peeke

Well considering Peeke has been a healthy scratch for majority of the season, I can't see it taking much, maybe a mid pick with a B prospect, as for Tanev, it all depends if we're going to have Calgary retain or not. With retention is might cost us a 1st +, if no retention then maybe a 2nd Round Pick with a decent prospect and some salary going the other way.

 

[ACC1224]

I see Peeke's name posted here alot. I'm not overly familiar, what's the attraction?

 

[Fogelhund]

Yeah I remember Tanev being discussed here a couple of years ago, and the consensus seemed to be that we weren't too interested because he was "made of glass". Now he's almost 34 and people think he's ironman or something LOL.

You and me both.

Tanev the player, was always going to be a very good partner for Rielly. The question as you allude to, was always going to be, how many games would he miss? Most of his injuries were of the fluke type... broken bones from blocking shots, not any indication of any chronic issue. But, he did miss a lot of games.

The past three years though... he's been pretty injury free. That doesn't make him an iron man, but it certainly does ease some of the concerns.

I appreciate the age concern, it is problematic no doubt... yet, we can only trade for guys who are available, and it isn't too often that a mid to late 20's RD becomes available... unless they are asking for a trade, and it's too early for the UFA group from teams not making the playoffs.

Who else could be available?

Connor Murphy? Having a terrible year, on a terrible team, though he's looked decent previously in his career. He's over 30 too.

Adam Larsson? He's not a UFA, but if they fall out of the playoffs... maybe?? He's over 30 as well.

Andrew Peeke? Currently not playing, after having a terrible year, on a terrible team, though he looked like an up and coming strong Defensive D before last year. He's still relatively young.

Bogosian is likely available... for cheap.

Lyubushkin redux? Would the Ducks part with Gudas?

You just go through the teams that likely won't make the playoffs, and could be sellers, and there really isn't much out there. It's ok to want better, but is better available?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Tanev the player, was always going to be a very good partner for Rielly. The question as you allude to, was always going to be, how many games would he miss? Most of his injuries were of the fluke type... broken bones from blocking shots, not any indication of any chronic issue. But, he did miss a lot of games.

The past three years though... he's been pretty injury free. That doesn't make him an iron man, but it certainly does ease some of the concerns.

I appreciate the age concern, it is problematic no doubt... yet, we can only trade for guys who are available, and it isn't too often that a mid to late 20's RD becomes available... unless they are asking for a trade, and it's too early for the UFA group from teams not making the playoffs.

Who else could be available?

Connor Murphy? Having a terrible year, on a terrible team, though he's looked decent previously in his career. He's over 30 too.

Adam Larsson? He's not a UFA, but if they fall out of the playoffs... maybe?? He's over 30 as well.

Andrew Peeke? Currently not playing, after having a terrible year, on a terrible team, though he looked like an up and coming strong Defensive D before last year. He's still relatively young.

Bogosian is likely available... for cheap.

Lyubushkin redux? Would the Ducks part with Gudas?

You just go through the teams that likely won't make the playoffs, and could be sellers, and there really isn't much out there. It's ok to want better, but is better available?

OK if injuries aren't that big a concern, that's cool. I still have zero interest in any rentals that will cost us a 1st or an equivalent prospect and if there's nothing out there, that's just fine with me. We have a team that's playing below .500 regulation hockey, I don't see this as a team that's one piece away from winning the cup so I just say no to rentals unless they're super cheap.

For better or worse (depending on the cost, I guess), you get the feeling that Tanev is destined to be acquired and then resigned by the Leafs. It feels like the kind of "safe" move that Treliving will make.

I feel the same. Not good.

 

[Fogelhund]

I see Peeke's name posted here alot. I'm not overly familiar, what's the attraction?

6'3", 210 lbs, physical shot blocker. Third in the league in blocked shots last year, 180 hits, crease clearing, good skating. No real offense to speak of, not good at handling the puck.

IMO, it looked like he was emerging to become one of the better defensive D in the league, and then Columbus has a terrible year last year, and the wheels fell off the cart for him. He was a guy I had wanted before last year.

He's 25, will be 26 in March. Maybe it would be accurate to say he's a bit of a reclamation project at this point, as Columbus did him no favours last year. But, with the right team, and the right coaching, he'll likely get back on his trajectory of being a good defensive D man, with physicality. He needs a consistent partner, who can move the puck.

I liked what his projection was, and in particular I like that he's only 25, just coming into the age where D men blossom, and we'd have control for years, of a younger guy.

Is there a chance that his potential was damaged? I suppose, but at that age, and the way he played before being thrust into too many minutes, without a proper team mate, on an bad an injury riddled team... I'd take that chance.

This was his scouting report pre-draft.

Peeke, however, is in our view the draft’s best one-on-one defender, and it means something when you can impact a game’s complexion with this ability. He is big and mobile, using an active stick and mammoth wingspan to fix onrushing opponents into a failed decision.

From this off season.

Just about everyone who put on a Blue Jackets sweater went through tough times during the 2022-23 season, but it would be hard to imagine anyone had more trying times than Andrew Peeke.

The defenseman was coming off a breakout 2021-22 campaign in which he spent much of the season on the top pair with Zach Werenski and looked to be blossoming into a physical, shutdown defender.

He placed last in the NHL in plus-minus, was left to search for chemistry with a bevy of partners because of trades and injuries (he skated more than 100 minutes at 5-on-5 with an astounding five different partners), and was even left out of the lineup as a healthy scratch at midseason.

At the time, head coach Brad Larsen made sure to compliment Peeke's effort level but said the fourth-year defenseman simply needed to make some improvements to his game.

"It's never a lack of effort," Larsen said. "Peeker tries. He tries hard. He works. He competes in practice. He blocks shots. He does all of those intangibles that you want. It's stuff with the puck and making some better decisions that are right in front of him."

As the Blue Jackets lost defenders to injury left and right, the dependable Peeke was left to try to hold up the wall as the deluge came in. He still ate minutes, averaging 21:15 per night, and blocked 197 shots to set a CBJ record and place third in the NHL, but it was still a frustrating campaign for Peeke as the Jackets defense went through its ups and downs.

Some comments from Jackets fans.

The Jackets have mismanaged the career of Andrew Peeke. The guy was a stud at Notre Dame and would shut down the best centers and wings of the opposing team. Since being drafted by the Jackets, Peeke has had so many different coaches, defensive philosophy’s, pairings, sent down, lack of commitment to his success etc and sadly has never gotten a longer opportunity to grow with the team. Peeke will definitely be traded and become a quality addition to any team he’s on…

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Peeke is a decent stay at home guy. Blocks shots. Decent skater. Not good with the puck on his stick. I’d say he’s worth a 2nd rounder but with the cap situation around the league and Columbus having their hands tied he’ll go for less.

OK if injuries aren't that big a concern, that's cool. I still have zero interest in any rentals that will cost us a 1st or an equivalent prospect and if there's nothing out there, that's just fine with me. We have a team that's playing below .500 regulation hockey, I don't see this as a team that's one piece away from winning the cup so I just say no to rentals unless they're super cheap.

I'd agree with you... personally if I were in charge, I wouldn't make acquisitions until the team shows up consistently, with good efforts, and shows it's a piece or two away. The way they've played... it doesn't matter who you add.

 

[Rare Jewel]

I'm through with band-aids

I've got to the point where I'd be willing to just pay the premium and go out and get a high quality top 4D who's in the correct age bracket with plenty of term left on his deal and I don't really care which side he shoots

We've seen over the years if a guys good enough he can carry a pair but we need at least one guy per pair who can carry a less than ideal partner

I agree it would be the preferred option however, if there isn't a deal involving Nylander, who's really attractive if you're another team?

Knies is the first guy most would go for.

 

[Gilmour1996]

Try to get Arber Xhekaj from the Habs. He may not help much this year but we need big D in the pipeline and I don't think he will cost much. He can play in the AHL the rest of the year.

 

[Warden of the North]

Seems inevitable that a physical dman is coming here sooner then later. Too much smoke.

 

[Fogelhund]

Try to get Arber Xhekaj from the Habs. He may not help much this year but we need big D in the pipeline and I don't think he will cost much. He can play in the AHL the rest of the year.

Fun kid to watch, but do you really think he's a NHL D on a good team? Plus, I don't really see Montreal having a reason to move him, for whatever little return he'd command. He's entertaining the fans, while the team isn't good.

 

[Gilmour1996]

Fun kid to watch, but do you really think he's a NHL D on a good team? Plus, I don't really see Montreal having a reason to move him, for whatever little return he'd command. He's entertaining the fans, while the team isn't good.

Not yet ready but he is young enough to take a gamble on for the future as a potential bottom pairing guy.

 

[namttebih]

It seams to me that Chicago is selling again this year. Last year they were willing to accept a 1st, 2nd and two minors for Mccabe (retained 50% for two additional years), Lafferty and two conditional 5th. If you review Chicago's roster, Connor Murphy is signed for two more years after this one just like Mccabe was. Do a similar deal involving Murphy retained 50% and someone else. I'm not sure how Murphy is playing to be honest but food for thought. The Leafs could use another cheap defensemen with the potential cap issues they have next year.

And Nick Foligno!!!

Seriously though, I like it.

 

[Skullz]

Kampf kinda stinks... It's not like he has untapped high pedigree of a Zacha, or the veteran versatility of a Calle Jarnkrok. Or any kind of mean streak that could be a factor. He's not even Mikheyev or Engvall. I would move off this guy as soon as possible and get pro scouting to find a Moneyball replacement.

Agreed. He was fine on his first contract, and should not have been extended at such a raise. Seems like they thought of him as a defensive specialist, but he is overpaid for that and does not have the correct linemates. Signing Reaves and giving Kampf that deal never made sense in tandem with one another. Kampf is a 4th line defence center, and Reaves cannot play defence. Never got that idea at all.

 

[horner]

Well considering Peeke has been a healthy scratch for majority of the season, I can't see it taking much, maybe a mid pick with a B prospect, as for Tanev, it all depends if we're going to have Calgary retain or not. With retention is might cost us a 1st +, if no retention then maybe a 2nd Round Pick with a decent prospect and some salary going the other way.

We don't have a 2nd for the next 3 yrs because of Dmbass and no 1st next yr.

Not qillingvto give a 1st for Tanev even with retention .

We will know about klinkberg this week probably going on LTIR.

A 1st rd pk goes for a young dman .

 

[Warden of the North]

I'd take a swing at Xhekaj, but there's no chance Montreal is trading him here for anything but a dramatic overpayment.

 

[LeafParade]

Columbus actually has so many D, it is kind of crazy. And none of them are expiring UFA. Many have long-term deals or under their control because they are young and will be RFA.

Right now, they are lined up

Werenski-Boqvist
Provorov-Severson(injured)
Bean-Gudbranson
Peeke

Then they have 19 year old Jiricek who has been filling in for the injured Severson, albeit struggling a bit.
And Svozil + Ceulemans in the minors. If they weren't so bloated on D, Jiricek and Svozil could make the jump next year.
Blankenburg has been racking up points in the minors but he is undersized so not sure about his future.

The most likely candidate to move is probably Boqvist because he will return them something. Then I assume they go into next year with Jiricek/Peeke taking up the spare RHD spot + 7th D spot. Jiricek hasn't exactly performed as well as I expected.

Not sure if they move a LHD, because Svozil could also make the jump. They could move Bean, because he is an RFA that needs to be extended.