Mikheyev is expansion draft ineligible. Therefore as it stands, the Leafs best route right now is to protect 4 forwards (Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander) and 4 defencemen (Rielly, Brodie, Muzzin and Holl). This exposes Kerfoot and Dermott.
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dubplatepressure
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Exactly. This is also the reason why in theory we could acquire an Ekholm type of player - we would simply swap protecting Holl with protecting Ekholm, accepting we will lose one of Holl or Dermott.
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Oh thats excellent! Thanks for the feed back.
So then the following would be reasonable targets...
- A forward on an expiring contract
- A defence man either on an expiring contract or that is good enough to risk losing Holl (e.g. Ekholm)
- Any goalie doesn’t matter, might lose Campbell but probably not
Depending on the severity of Bernier’s recent injury, he wouldn’t be someone I’d be against acquiring. Expiring contract and his numbers have been solid behind awful Detroit teams these past few years.
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Maybe. There's more upside and downside with Gibson as he's younger but signed for six more seasons if he doesn't bounce back.
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Not a quality target IMO. Sub 900 SVP... certainly wouldn't be throwing Amirov into that trade to gamble on him.
I wish I woke up to the headline “Leafs acquire Gibson”. Or at least a rumor we’re even looking for another goalie. Disgusting isn’t a strong enough word to describe Andersen’s play.
Saddest part of all is that he and Rakell could have been Leafs today instead Burke traded up to get Tyler f’ing Biggs of all people. Or was it Stuart Percy? Either way, both terrible. Oh well, hindsight is never fun with this team.
Saddest part of all is that he and Rakell could have been Leafs today instead Burke traded up to get Tyler f’ing Biggs of all people. Or was it Stuart Percy? Either way, both terrible. Oh well, hindsight is never fun with this team.
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Bernier is available from Detroit, he's been really good behind a really bad team, he'd likely do just as well behind a really good team. Doubt the price would be high on him. Campbell gets has a good opportunity here but if the team plays well & he struggles or goes down they gotta at least look into Bernier & a partner for Andersen.
In this case dump Andersen for whatever you can get & pay < 2nd for Bernier. We just need a reliable consistent goalie, he's low risk medium reward and that's good enough. It'd be easier for him here than in Detroit. His lowest sv% and games played since being a starter/tandem goalie was .904 in 35gp for Detroit. Jonathan Bernier Stats and News
If Campbell plays well then maybe they should keep Fred, or maybe it would just make him expendable. If they're trying to improve their roster Andersen has a big fat 5m and has been costing them game after game. Bernier/Campbell I'd be comfortable with and the saved cap space can be used to improve the team in front that looks promising. Just play the odds, & the odds are looking like Andersen isn't close to getting it together and another goalie is. Sometimes goalies have bad years and good years, Andersen is having a bad year, much worse than last year which I considered a bad year for him. I think he'll be better next year at some point, maybe the year after but that doesn't matter to me or the Leafs. He's gone after this year, this year they have a great chance to make a playoff run. Leafs have the luxury that he's on a 1 year deal (pending UFA) and have a good backup... take the chance (with good odds of a better goalie currently) on Bernier and the cap space to make deals to improve the team further.
Leafs are playing blackjack and the team's a 10 & Andersen's a 2, odds are they should hit given Benier is available.
In all honesty Jack Campbell is this teams best hope this season. Gibson is having a bad year and a team aquiring him could buy low and probably have a good goalie for most of the 6 year deal but this year he sucks and probably will continue to as well, or not be that great, Carter Hart too. Leafs goaltending needs to be good this year. This year Fleury is a great goalie & he'll likely be Vegas's guy over Lehner.
In this case dump Andersen for whatever you can get & pay < 2nd for Bernier. We just need a reliable consistent goalie, he's low risk medium reward and that's good enough. It'd be easier for him here than in Detroit. His lowest sv% and games played since being a starter/tandem goalie was .904 in 35gp for Detroit. Jonathan Bernier Stats and News
If Campbell plays well then maybe they should keep Fred, or maybe it would just make him expendable. If they're trying to improve their roster Andersen has a big fat 5m and has been costing them game after game. Bernier/Campbell I'd be comfortable with and the saved cap space can be used to improve the team in front that looks promising. Just play the odds, & the odds are looking like Andersen isn't close to getting it together and another goalie is. Sometimes goalies have bad years and good years, Andersen is having a bad year, much worse than last year which I considered a bad year for him. I think he'll be better next year at some point, maybe the year after but that doesn't matter to me or the Leafs. He's gone after this year, this year they have a great chance to make a playoff run. Leafs have the luxury that he's on a 1 year deal (pending UFA) and have a good backup... take the chance (with good odds of a better goalie currently) on Bernier and the cap space to make deals to improve the team further.
Leafs are playing blackjack and the team's a 10 & Andersen's a 2, odds are they should hit given Benier is available.
In all honesty Jack Campbell is this teams best hope this season. Gibson is having a bad year and a team aquiring him could buy low and probably have a good goalie for most of the 6 year deal but this year he sucks and probably will continue to as well, or not be that great, Carter Hart too. Leafs goaltending needs to be good this year. This year Fleury is a great goalie & he'll likely be Vegas's guy over Lehner.
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Mikheyev is exempt, try using this Seattle Expansion Draft Simulator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
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So considering the expansion draft implications it might make the most sense to look at the following options:
- Forward: Foligno, Lafallo (expiring)
- Defence: Ekholm, other depth guys
- Goal: Gibson, Korpisalo, whoever
- Forward: Foligno, Lafallo (expiring)
- Defence: Ekholm, other depth guys
- Goal: Gibson, Korpisalo, whoever
Bernier just got injured, haven’t seen anything confirming the exact amount of time he’ll miss just yet. If he’s not out for weeks, he’d be someone I’d be interested in as well. 3 million cap hit on an expiring contract, 1.5 after Detroit retains 50%, maybe we can swing a deal for Chicago to retain another 50% making it only 750k.
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Could be a team issue with Gibson, but it's still a risk.
A large part of the reason I want Kuemper is his consistency. Last three seasons minimum 25 games he's 3rd in the league with 71.6% of his games with a >=.900 SV%.
Some other notable starters
- Bishop, 72.7%, 1st
- Lehner, 71.1%, 4th
- Vasilevskiy, 66.4%, 10th
- Rask, 65.0%, 13th
- Hellebuyck, 60.3%, 23rd
- Andersen, 59.0%, 30th
- Gibson, 55.7%, 47th
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123offtheglass
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Thinking they'll stick strictly to rentals unless it's someone really good and worthwhile with term (Rakell). They'll probably go Matthews-JT (NMC)- Marner-Nylander-Rielly-Brodie-Muzzin-Holl-Campbell. They'll be exposing guys like Dermott, Kerfoot, Engvall, Joey Anderson which isn't too bad.
123offtheglass
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Goalies are going down everywhere jeez
Could get him as a 3rd goalie, without even moving Andersen... not bad, it adds insurance. 750k at the deadline is only 187.5k too.
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Andersen may very well be (was) fundamentally better than most of those goalies, my point was we know what we have in Andersen and it's that he's not good enough when it really matters. Getting outplayed by Korpisalo should've been the last straw. Those names I mentioned were just a few that came to mind, we don't know how any of them would look behind this team. Leafs just need a goalie to make the save, not steal every game.
The whole situation screams better the devil you know than the devil you don't.
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Kuemper is I think the best goalie who is realistically available, but that will also be reflected in the trade cost. So I'm definitely interested and hope Leafs management is inquiring, but it all depends on the cost.
Worth the cost to have a goaltending duo under 4m already set up for next season. Toss Seattle a pick or prospect to take Hutch off our hands.
Kuemper, Darcy - $2,250,000 (50% retained)
Campbell, Jack - $1,650,000
$3,900,000
Mickey Marner
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Goaltending is the last hurdle between us and cup contention, as long as the price isn't Robertson or Sandin, and it won't be, I don't think cost will be an issue. Andersen not waiving for Arizona would be a larger issue IMO, and the additional cost of paying Chicago to retain 50% if he isn't willing to waive.
I highly doubt Arizona retains salary on Kuemper. There would be a few other teams interested in him without any retention.
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I'd be worried about Bernier psychologically coming back to Toronto. His last year here was pretty bad, there was a lot of pressure from the media, and I'd imagine it could shake him up coming back here. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see his 0.918 save % behind a bad Detroit team turn into a ~0.900 playing for a much better Toronto team.
I wouldn't look at him as an option. There are other options out there like Ulmark, Khubodin, Kuemper, etc that we could look at well before Bernier IMO.
The lowest shot blocking teams in the league this year are as follows:
Florida
Tampa
Boston
Washington
Pittsburgh
St.Louis
Winnipeg
Chicago
Vegas
NYI
Every single one of them is currently in a playoff spot. Good teams don't usually need to block as many shots because the don't give up a lot of chances.
We gave up 18 shots last night. The goaltending needs to be better.
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I'm very close at throwing in the towel with Andersen. I like the guy and all but man... it's been rough this past year (and more) watching him completely regress. I wish Dubas dumped him this past off-season, but I understand why he kept him.
I'd easily dump him with 50% retention somewhere and acquire Driedger right now.
It is really hard to see this team play well and even dominate games only to lose from bad goaltending. It sucks.
I'd easily dump him with 50% retention somewhere and acquire Driedger right now.
It is really hard to see this team play well and even dominate games only to lose from bad goaltending. It sucks.
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