Kurtz
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I think you need to include all-situation numbers. Goals against on the PK count as much as goals at 5 v 5. Some teams might be weaker at PK than others, but that's true of 5 on 5 as well.
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I think you need to include all-situation numbers. Goals against on the PK count as much as goals at 5 v 5. Some teams might be weaker at PK than others, but that's true of 5 on 5 as well.
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I’m thinking Andersen and Kerfoot out and via separate trades Gibson in and a raise to Hyman. But depending on what happens to the Leafs the rest of the way I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s more salary shuffling. Like what happens to Muzzin if he’s not strong? Is there a nuclear Nylander option as well? Could be a bigger retooling. Or if Campbell comes in and steals the job all of that could also be averted. Really depends. We’re at a crossroads but what’s important is we have the ammo to make things happen.
I really don't see expansion as that big of a factor tbh. We are going to lose Holl, Kerfoot or Dermott no matter what. There's no getting around it.
Acquire a d-man? All of Kerfoot, Holl and Dermott are exposed. We lose one, just like we always were going to. (Give then centers that will be exposed, versus the d-men, it's very possible they take Kerfoot from us)
Acquire a forward? We protect 7F (Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, Marner, Acquired F, Kerfoot, and we can possibly extend Hyman earlier and protect him - As of now, Engvall needs to be exposed, he's the only F that meets requirements) and 3D (Muzzin, Rielly, Brodie) Result? We lose one of Holl or Dermott, just like we always were going to. (They likely take Dermott, seeing as he's younger).
Acquire a d-man? All of Kerfoot, Holl and Dermott are exposed. We lose one, just like we always were going to. (Give then centers that will be exposed, versus the d-men, it's very possible they take Kerfoot from us)
Acquire a forward? We protect 7F (Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, Marner, Acquired F, Kerfoot, and we can possibly extend Hyman earlier and protect him - As of now, Engvall needs to be exposed, he's the only F that meets requirements) and 3D (Muzzin, Rielly, Brodie) Result? We lose one of Holl or Dermott, just like we always were going to. (They likely take Dermott, seeing as he's younger).
Andy + Kerf out = 8.5m
8.5m - 6.5m Gib -2m raise for Hym= 8.5m,,,,still need 700/800k to fill kerfs spot=9.3m
Kuem 4.5m + 2m hym + 800k (kerf rep)= 7.3m
use that 2m towards depth and Kuem is UFA when Rielly is due,, clearing 4.5m to work on signing him
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The point of the expansion draft is to take good players away from teams that have a lot of good players. The Leafs are going to expose some good players, and we'll lose one. It's no worse to expose 5 players that it is to expose 3, since we're only losing 1 either way.
well,,for starters ,,that won't be a issue for 1.5 years
why would you assume Camp gets claimed?
out of all the tenders that will be available to Seattle this summer
do you honestly think he will be the best or 2nd best?? i sure as heck don't think so
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That's also been my stance is why do people assume Campbell is going to get selected I don't see it
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One of the few posts of your I agree with 100%. Who cares about the expansion draft? If the Leafs are more worried about the expansion draft than the season, then they should all be removed ASAP.
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I think each piece is important. Total numbers in all situations, HDSV%, the breakdown of 5 v 5 vs. PK, and so on. Generally I look at 5v5, as often PK numbers will be sufficiently low, to not necessarily reflect the play of the goalie, and maybe the team more at times... plus easy to skew numbers in a smaller data set. Either way, I think we are in agreement on a couple of interesting targets for goalies to replace Andersen, should Dubas feel the need to do so... and I think he should.
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I personally wouldn’t mind leaving Muzzin available
Holl has been good and his cap hit is much needed
Muzzin been good but his pace is gonna be an issue so losing him may suck now but not bad long term
Plus if Muzzin does get picked up would allow us to go after Hamilton in summer if that’s a good idea
I’d personally like another Brodie
Id beg for some sort of ekblad for nylander trade
and of course for me this is only possible if we finally let Anderson go, hopefully at trade deadline and not let him walk
Stephen
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That $1.2 million Kessel retention money is also finished next year so I’d give that to Rielly. Or build a contract for Seth Jones if we let Rielly test the market.
All in all the team could see some big changes in the next 24 months.
Seth is getting 8.5/9m all day long on the open market
something tells me,,we get MR for a fair bit less then that
I am past caring about the expansion draft.
Worst case. We lose one of
dermott/holl/
kerfoot/engvall
Campbell.
the differences between these players should not stop us from getting a difference maker.
I am not refusing to get ekholm because I don’t want to lose holl that’s silly
Worst case. We lose one of
dermott/holl/
kerfoot/engvall
Campbell.
the differences between these players should not stop us from getting a difference maker.
I am not refusing to get ekholm because I don’t want to lose holl that’s silly
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Those would all be better options (especially Kuemper), they're injured though except Khudobin who hasn't been made available yet. Benier apparently was injured as well last night though. It's looking a lot like Dubas should have pulled the trigger on a 1st+ for Kuemper and a 2nd or whatever for Andersen in the offseason.
Dubas explored trades for moving on from Andersen in the off-season it was reported.
Im sure if there was something there, it would’ve been done.
For the same reason Arizona didn’t up moving one of Raanta or Kuemper.
123offtheglass
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It was said publicly that Kuemper was available, looking for a 1st round pick in the deal, & that Toronto wasn't shopping Andersen but listening on him with Carolina being interested but apparently that price wasn't good enough for Dubas. I think he chickened out or held his cards here as he didn't like the offer(s) on Andersen and/or price of Kuemper... My personal opinion based on what I heard about it on both those teams. He won't say this but I think if looked back he'd think that a 2nd for Andersen and even 1st + that 2nd +b/c prospect for Kuemper would have been worth it.
Arizona was really trying to recoup lost early draft picks & money.
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Kuemper is not worth a 1st+. Not even hindsight would have made that a good trade.
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That means you agree with all my other posts 99%, right?
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SeaOfBlue
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I knew he was talking about Holtby and Grubauer as soon as he mentioned it.
That is what Andersen has to hope he can be if his ass is not traded. That is what we should be pushing him to aspire to be if he is made backup (and should be) for Campbell for the rest of this season.
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