Trades and Free Agency Thread - Push all the chips in?

[Mickey Marner]

Who does everyone protect in expansion if they bring in a non-rental?

Just random suggestions:

Rakell
Ekholm

Namestnikov
Jankrok

Obviously two create less pause than others, but at what price point do you draw the line? These players that do indeed have more control will cost more to acquire. With that said, it leads to a domino effect which in turn creates another roster loss.

Do you acquire the lessers and hold your breath? Jankrok is the heavy debate here as he is an absolute fantastic fit for this team on good value. But he likely gets claimed over someone like Holl etc.

Internal debate in a risk/reward type of scenario which is why you’ve seen most scenarios focused on rental for this very specific reason.

Cheaper to acquire and you’re acquiring knowing you are likely losing them anyways. But your total losses likely are much easier to digest.

Rakell and Ekholm are fantastic fits who the Leafs CAN acquire, but the package you send out wont be your only loss as of result.

Non-rental almost certainly means we pay the iron price to the Kraken. Which I think would involve giving the 2021 1st or Liljegren to Seattle for them to select Dermott, Engvall or maybe Kerfoot. Only Kerfoot if management has another 3C lined up in free agency or through trade.

 

[Stephen]

I’m starting to get the feeling that the all-in David Price type trade is something Toronto should take off the table.

The fact that the starting goaltending is disintegrating before our eyes tells me a top 6 forward might not be what we really need. Might have to keep the powder dry for more meaningful upgrades down the line.

 

[Mickey Marner]

I’m starting to get the feeling that the all-in David Price type trade is something Toronto should take off the table.

The fact that the starting goaltending is disintegrating before our eyes tells me a top 6 forward might not be what we really need. Might have to keep the powder dry for more meaningful upgrades down the line.

Agreed. Either we spend for a rental to avoid protecting an additional player and risk Andersen shitting the bed, or we lose something decent to Seattle for a 1.5 years of service player.

Need to fix our goaltending before trying to add to our offense or defense, lest we risk additional assets for the same playoff result.

 

[aingefan]

Seems high. Holl, Abramov and 1st in 2021.

Maybe.
I’m not great at this, maybe you’re right.
I assumed retention on Ekholm which would add to the cost, I figured.
I’d rather move Dermott than Holl for this year for sure.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Agreed. Either we spend for a rental to avoid protecting an additional player and risk Andersen shitting the bed, or we lose something decent to Seattle for a 1.5 years of service player.

Need to fix our goaltending before trying to add to our offense or defense, lest we risk additional assets for the same playoff result.

Would have said I would have disagreed with you but the worse Andersen gets the more pressing the need is. He could force our hand.

 

[HomelessPepper]

I hope the Leafs manage to pickup Ekholm and Ullmark - they'd be my preferred targets.

Picks + prospects (outside of Sandin and Lily), maybe a Dermott if required to get Ek.

Let Seattle pick between Kerfoot, Holl, and Dermott (if he's still around). Sandin and Lily playing regularly next season.

 

[Menzinger]

Non-rental almost certainly means we pay the iron price to the Kraken. Which I think would involve giving the 2021 1st or Liljegren to Seattle for them to select Dermott, Engvall or maybe Kerfoot. Only Kerfoot if management has another 3C lined up in free agency or through trade.

If I recall (memory may be misleading) but Vegas wasn't extracting a ton of 1sts from teams. It seemed to be mostly 2nds

 

[Mickey Marner]

If I recall (memory may be misleading) but Vegas wasn't extracting a ton of 1sts from teams. It seemed to be mostly 2nds

They added a couple, but I'm using it more as equivalent value to Liljegren, who is a similar prospect to Tuch and Theodore when they were traded to Vegas in order to protect top-four defensemen.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Andersen+ what for Bernier?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Andersen+ what for Bernier?

Why should we get Bernier? He is not exactly a great goalie himself.

Ullmark should be the only rental goalie we consider. Otherwise, just run with Campbell.

Also remember than Andersen has a 10 team NTC and I imagine that Detroit, Buffalo, Arizona, etc. are on it so we'd need to find a 3rd team to get in on this deal. I doubt he would include EDM on that NTC so there is one option.

 

[Legion34]

Why should we get Bernier? He is not exactly a great goalie himself.

Ullmark should be the only rental goalie we consider. Otherwise, just run with Campbell.

Also remember than Andersen has a 10 team NTC and I imagine that Detroit, Buffalo, Arizona, etc. are on it so we'd need to find a 3rd team to get in on this deal. I doubt he would include EDM on that NTC so there is one option.

chicago.

They are still in the running and willing to take on cap. Fred makes like 400 k for the rest of the year.

 

[hockeynorth]

I really want to know why Chicago would want Freddy when Lankinen is playing unreal

 

[SeaOfBlue]

chicago.

They are still in the running and willing to take on cap. Fred makes like 400 k for the rest of the year.

He's probably put them on there too.

Anyone who was a clear rebuilder is almost certainly on there.

CBJ is likely not. EDM is likely not. WSH is likely not. Those are the teams where we could potentially move him. The issue is that if we get Koskinen to dump on another team, he has a 15 team NTC so that likely kills any possibility he is moved a place we can dump him.

 

[Jozay]

They're not gonna move Freddy tbh.

They'll just let Campbell be the starter.

 

[Jozay]

Why should we get Bernier? He is not exactly a great goalie himself.

Ullmark should be the only rental goalie we consider. Otherwise, just run with Campbell.

Also remember than Andersen has a 10 team NTC and I imagine that Detroit, Buffalo, Arizona, etc. are on it so we'd need to find a 3rd team to get in on this deal. I doubt he would include EDM on that NTC so there is one option.

That ntc peobably completely rules out an andersen trade.

Competely forgot he has a ntc.

 

[DougGilmour93]

Antti Raanta and Hjalmarsson anyone?

 

[Menzinger]

That ntc peobably completely rules out an andersen trade.

Competely forgot he has a ntc.

Though it's a limited ntc

 

[SeaOfBlue]

They're not gonna move Freddy tbh.

They'll just let Campbell be the starter.

There are still possibilities that he could be moved. You might need to get creative, like getting Chicago to retain half on his way to sending him to Washington or something, but it definitely complicates things.

At this point, it may also be that Campbell is the best guy we can even acquire. CBJ looks like they want to compete, so that may take Merzlikins out of the mix at least for now. There is Ullmark, but Campbell is a similar bet and I don't think the Leafs invest heavily on upgrading Andersen if he is just a backup (unless they really need cap or get a good trade offer). There is Kuemper but he is hurt for at least 2 or 3 more weeks. Plus you need to quarantine all of these guys.

I think the window to trade Andersen has probably closed, however it was probably not been really open in the first place (even if the Leafs wanted to move him).

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Though it's a limited ntc

It's 10 teams but it is probably all of the teams we can feasibly trade him to, which are mostly rebuilding teams.

 

[Jozay]

Though it's a limited ntc

With as many teams capped out, and not needing a goalie it wouldve already been hard to find a fit, the ntc just makes it that much harder.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Andersen+ what for Bernier?

Gross

 

[Menzinger]

With as many teams capped out, and not needing a goalie it wouldve already been hard to find a fit, the ntc just makes it that much harder.

It depends on how he distributes it; did he include random cities where he doesn't want to live or the likely 10 worst teams? Lots of unknowns there

His cap hit while not small, is also not massive and his real salary is pretty low. Not an impassible situation for a deal

 

[Jozay]

It depends on how he distributes it; did he include random cities where he doesn't want to live or the likely 10 worst teams? Lots of unknowns there

His cap hit while not small, is also not massive and his real salary is pretty low. Not an impassible situation for a deal

Who knows, probably strategically chose the teams most likely to be interested in him if I had to guess.

It will still be hard.

I think the most likely scenario is Campbell becomes the starter.

 

[Stephen]

Win or lose. Tonight just highlights the reality that you can’t reliably outgun the other team every night and outscore your problems when you have to battle the goalies at both ends of the ice. Adding a top six forward feels like it’s not the right addition and an all in trade might be a waste of assets.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Win or lose. Tonight just highlights the reality that you can’t reliably outgun the other team every night and outscore your problems when you have to battle the goalies at both ends of the ice. Adding a top six forward feels like it’s not the right addition and an all in trade might be a waste of assets.

100% agreed here, and that's the only reason why I think we don't go after a big gun forward. Granlund / Foligno / Jenner / other, sure, but no one larger.