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Yup Kral isn't just being thrown in and certainly not for Boyd. He has about zero value
123offtheglass
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You're missing the big picture here, never said what Boyd's value was. Boyd was not a 1-for-1 trade he was an insignificant part of a bigger deal involving Ekholm & Granlund & Kerfoot, he just helps get the deal done. The amount of value in that part of the deal is an insignificant overpayment, but it would get it done if Vancouver were to help them. I'm guessing Boyd's retention is worth more than a 7th based the salary of this vs. the Lehner deal, it'd be closer to a 6th. Boyd likely is worth a 7th so whatever you want to call the difference between a 6th/7th + 7th vs. a late 5th is the overpayment, if there's any.
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Yea if that's the price I pass.
1st and an elite prospect plus a roster piece is not worth the upgrade from Dermott to Ekholm. Especially with Sandin/Liljegren waiting in the wings.
If one of the top 4 guys is lost for the year then maybe but I'd rather give up a 5th-7th for a left handed Bogosian type and add cheap depth.
Mr Knies Guy
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Agreed, too expensive for me. I'd rather try to pry Oleksiak if the cost is reasonable.
The Podium
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This makes a lot of sense if we are front runners for Dougie Hamilton post expansion.
You guys are making this too complicated.
Find Tyler Biggs. Sign him as a FA to a min contract.
Trade Biggs with Andersen for Rakell and Gibson. Retention on Rakell.
Undo the draft day trade.
Find Tyler Biggs. Sign him as a FA to a min contract.
Trade Biggs with Andersen for Rakell and Gibson. Retention on Rakell.
Undo the draft day trade.
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SHANNYPLAN
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This is a team sorely lacking slime balls
willmma
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There are much better players that can make this team better who are not slime balls. I'll be happy to take one of those to make the team better.
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willmma
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No. Elbowing players in the the nose, knee on knee, his hit on Marleau. I don't like a player on my team playing like that.
I just don't get why we would want to go after Ekholm. Insurance? Who's our insurance if Matthews goes down? What if Campbell gets hurt or isn't the next Binnington success story? I do appreciate the discussion on previous pages about being more concerned about the expansion draft than winning the cup, but be mindful of the expansion draft as it can raise the price beyond what's reasonable for insurance.
Say we trade Amirov, Hirvonen, and Joey Anderson for Ekholm, a pretty direct equivalent to the Muzzin trade. Kerfoot goes away somehow for a pick whatever. That's pretty good on paper, I have no problem with that sort of price. But now we have 5 defensemen we want to keep, so we're losing Justin Holl to Seattle, or we're paying the price to Francis to keep him. A defensive RHD who plays shut-down minutes and costs 2m/yr and has two years of term on his deal? We've been looking for Holl for a decade, and now we lose him.
Now we've paid Amirov, Hirvonen, Anderson, and Holl for Ekholm and dumped Kerfoot for a pick.
Zach Hyman's contract is up. We can't trade away Kerfoot any more to find extra space, so even if Hyman takes a ridiculously modest 3.5m contract (seriously, he's worth 6m) that's 1.5m that's gotta come from somewhere. Sign or trade for a goalie making 3.5m in the offseason. No space to re-sign Simmonds and we're hard up against the cap again.
We've paid Amirov, Hirvonen, Anderson, Holl, Simmonds, relying on a cheap goalie, our firstborn children in a blood pact to Hyman, for Ekholm and Kerfoot for a pick.
Next offseason Rielly and Ekholm both need raises. Campbell needs a new contract. Sandin and Liljegren both need RFA deals. Phil Kessel's 1.2m is coming off the books and that's it. So we lose one of Rielly or Ekholm.
For a playoff run and full season of Ekholm, we pay Amirov, Hirvonen, Anderson, Holl, Simmonds, need a cheap goalie, our firstborn children in a blood pact to Hyman, and have to dump Kerfoot for a pick. At the end of next offseason we have to fit in raises for Campbell, Rielly, Ekholm, Sandin, and Liljegren. Something big has to pop out. Be it Nylander, Ekholm, or something else, we lose a core piece that summer to UFA or in a trade for futures.
Ekholm is a pretty nice player, but that price tag is just stupid for "insurance". If we want to go all in and aren't too concerned about the price, pay first round picks for David Savard and Granlund. It's easy to go all in on players that won't send our cap situation to a tailspin. They leave in the summer, we give Hyman a raise, the cheap goalie is money for Rielly, and we continue to tinker around the edges with reclamation projects and injecting high talent rookies into the lineup for savings.
Say we trade Amirov, Hirvonen, and Joey Anderson for Ekholm, a pretty direct equivalent to the Muzzin trade. Kerfoot goes away somehow for a pick whatever. That's pretty good on paper, I have no problem with that sort of price. But now we have 5 defensemen we want to keep, so we're losing Justin Holl to Seattle, or we're paying the price to Francis to keep him. A defensive RHD who plays shut-down minutes and costs 2m/yr and has two years of term on his deal? We've been looking for Holl for a decade, and now we lose him.
Now we've paid Amirov, Hirvonen, Anderson, and Holl for Ekholm and dumped Kerfoot for a pick.
Zach Hyman's contract is up. We can't trade away Kerfoot any more to find extra space, so even if Hyman takes a ridiculously modest 3.5m contract (seriously, he's worth 6m) that's 1.5m that's gotta come from somewhere. Sign or trade for a goalie making 3.5m in the offseason. No space to re-sign Simmonds and we're hard up against the cap again.
We've paid Amirov, Hirvonen, Anderson, Holl, Simmonds, relying on a cheap goalie, our firstborn children in a blood pact to Hyman, for Ekholm and Kerfoot for a pick.
Next offseason Rielly and Ekholm both need raises. Campbell needs a new contract. Sandin and Liljegren both need RFA deals. Phil Kessel's 1.2m is coming off the books and that's it. So we lose one of Rielly or Ekholm.
For a playoff run and full season of Ekholm, we pay Amirov, Hirvonen, Anderson, Holl, Simmonds, need a cheap goalie, our firstborn children in a blood pact to Hyman, and have to dump Kerfoot for a pick. At the end of next offseason we have to fit in raises for Campbell, Rielly, Ekholm, Sandin, and Liljegren. Something big has to pop out. Be it Nylander, Ekholm, or something else, we lose a core piece that summer to UFA or in a trade for futures.
Ekholm is a pretty nice player, but that price tag is just stupid for "insurance". If we want to go all in and aren't too concerned about the price, pay first round picks for David Savard and Granlund. It's easy to go all in on players that won't send our cap situation to a tailspin. They leave in the summer, we give Hyman a raise, the cheap goalie is money for Rielly, and we continue to tinker around the edges with reclamation projects and injecting high talent rookies into the lineup for savings.
SHANNYPLAN
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I’d definitely take a run at Oleksiak over Ekholm if we’re looking for insurance (depending on price of course). Doesn’t make sense to give up the assets Nashville would be looking for
Avilaj07
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I think Jake Debrusk is exact type of winger we could use in our top 6. People complain about missing Kadri and his nastiness, well Debrusk is that.
WTFMAN99
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Can we please stop making Liljegren the new Bracco of trade proposals?
The last goalie to go for a 1st was Freddy and he was coming off a .919 SV% in the regular season and a .947 SV% in the playoffs. Gibson has been just as bad as Freddy the past two seasons and most certainly wouldn't cost a 1st and a top prospect with that contract.
some of these trade proposals for Ekholm are horrendous. They are close to Erik Karlson level return when he was dished from OTT. Nashville can ask for a 1st, and an "elite prospect" and another piece all they want. They will not get it. They will get a 1st and a couple B-level prospects, OR like a 2nd, 3rd and an elite prospect. Not a snowballs chance in hell they get a 1st and an elite prospect in the same deal, let alone another piece on top. Erik Karlson was the best defensemen in the NHL at the time of his trade. A 2x Norris trophy winner, Olympian, and perennial All-Star. Ekholm has none of that. He is a good defensemen, but these proposals are legit laughable. He is arguably not even in the top 2 defensemen on his own f***ing team for crying out loud with Ellis and Josi in the picture. His value is going to be much closer to Muzzin's 2 years ago, not this ridiculous shit Dreger is posting. 1st, Durzi, and Grundstrom (which were 2 B-level prospects) was the package to get 2 years of muzz, I expect something similar
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DeBrusk averages .23 hits per 60 than Pierre Engvall. The dude can be annoying, but he's not gonna drastically increase our physicality.
If we wanted to acquire anyone from Boston to bring nastiness and physicality, it's probably Sean Kuraly.
Side-Note: I would love to sign Sean Kuraly in the off-season.
If we wanted to acquire anyone from Boston to bring nastiness and physicality, it's probably Sean Kuraly.
Side-Note: I would love to sign Sean Kuraly in the off-season.
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