Trades and Free Agency Thread - Push all the chips in?

[Budz]

I feel like a lot of people value worrying about the expansion draft over trying to win a stanley cup. This isn't to say to completely ignore it but...

...and if we don’t win it and wasted assets. Entry level contracts will be key going forward.

Just asking?

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Granlund
Ekholm 50% retention

To Nashville-
Kerfoot
Dermott
Amirov
1st

After season, lock up Ekholm to Muzzin contract.

Trade Rielly for top rhd prospect +1st round pick +

 

[SprDaVE]

...and if we don’t win it and wasted assets. Entry level contracts will be key going forward.

Just asking?

We're not wasting assets by trying to win a cup? And who knows how it works out with Seattle. Maybe Dubas will have a good trade worked out. Maybe other changes happen too.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I'm getting a vibe that this deadline will be quiet league-wide .. the two week quarantine and in-division schedule will keep teams in the hunt, causing more of a sellers market and I can't see the price being worth it considering the extra two weeks lost.

Maybe I'm just a skeptic.

 

[Budz]

We're not wasting assets by trying to win a cup? And who knows how it works out with Seattle. Maybe Dubas will have a good trade worked out. Maybe other changes happen too.

It’s hard to debate hypotheticals. I do think we have to manage our assets well though - and yes go for it.

 

[Budz]

To Toronto-
Granlund
Ekholm 50% retention

To Nashville-
Kerfoot
Dermott
Amirov
1st

After season, lock up Ekholm to Muzzin contract.

Trade Rielly for top rhd prospect +1st round pick +

I honestly believe Fred is the more attractive dump for Nashville. He is only owed about 400k in real dollars. In this environment - that is a huge win for Nashville.

Less cash and more prospects and ELCs

 

[Teeder Keon]

To Toronto-
Granlund
Ekholm 50% retention

To Nashville-
Kerfoot
Dermott
Amirov
1st

After season, lock up Ekholm to Muzzin contract.

Trade Rielly for top rhd prospect +1st round pick +

Great thoughts
The only thing I would say is ..
Love Muzz but I wouldn’t sign him at all , all his attributes are excellent, except for his skating and speed , it is becoming more evident as he goes along and the way the NHL is going with the premium on speed and agility , I don’t see us needing that moving forward ..
Don’t get me wrong , he brings so much to the table , but the skating challenges are a red flag

 

[Menzinger]

I'm getting a vibe that this deadline will be quiet league-wide .. the two week quarantine and in-division schedule will keep teams in the hunt, causing more of a sellers market and I can't see the price being worth it considering the extra two weeks lost.

Maybe I'm just a skeptic.

That's my concern/thinking at the moment.

Some potential sellers still skirting with a chance at the post season and the quarantine issue seem to be big obstacles.

 

[Avilaj07]

Great thoughts
The only thing I would say is ..
Love Muzz but I wouldn’t sign him at all , all his attributes are excellent, except for his skating and speed , it is becoming more evident as he goes along and the way the NHL is going with the premium on speed and agility , I don’t see us needing that moving forward ..
Don’t get me wrong , he brings so much to the table , but the skating challenges are a red flag

Umm not sure if you're aware but Muzzin is signed for another 4 years. We resigned him last year

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Umm not sure if you're aware but Muzzin is signed for another 4 years. We resigned him last year

Another 3 years.

 

[Avilaj07]

Another 3 years.

Yes 3 yrs, I was counting this year as his 4th

 

[Teeder Keon]

Umm not sure if you're aware but Muzzin is signed for another 4 years. We resigned him last year

Thank you
Very much for the correction ,I appreciate it
I knew but I didn’t think it was for that long
Again
Thx

 

[ChuckWoods]

Chuck are you hearing anything? You can just PM me if don't want to share on here.

Its an interesting trade deadline. There are very few “sellers” at this point with those teams being the most engaged sound like they are the obvious:

Sens
Sharks
Ducks (Deslauriers, Rakell, Hakanpaa)
Sabres (Staal)
Devils
Red Wings (B. Ryan, Glend, Namest)

Nashville is in discussions purely due to the pieces they’ve got allegedly available, and their playoff hopes. My money is on Jankrok here, not mentioned but we will see.

Columbus is another, but I think you see Torts go before they make any significant changes.

Then there are very few “buyers” due to cap constraints and internal budgets.

Do I think the Leafs can make a move of significance?

I do, but they’ll likely need to continue to find a 3rd party to retain salary for some targets.

Lots of moving parts with several issues to overcome.

 

[kb]

Our starting goalie has a sub .900, and our saviour has played <10 games on the Leafs.

I understand wanting to take advantage of this season, but giving away 2-3 prospects to upgrade your D/F slightly while having the shakiest goaltending you've had in 5 years doesn't sound like the greatest asset management.

Sandin, Robertson, Liljegren, and Amirov are guys that will come in on their ELC for dirt cheap and compliment our core for 4-6 years as opposed to Rakell and Granlund who will play 15 games.

But here is the thing. Our starting goalie is not our starting goalie anymore, and the Leafs have 2 of the top-10 goalies in save % - neither of which is our starting goalie.

The Leafs were the most dominant team when healthy - they were first in points % until all the injuries hit. So they are a cup contender, and with the current setup, they may never get a better chance.

I'd trade the first and some 2nd tier prospects for sure. No doubt about it. Because it's very possible they go back to the old setup with Tampa/Boston to get through. Now the Leafs will see them in the semis, if at all.

And with Covid.....anything can happen.

 

[kb]

I think people also get caught up too much in thinking there will be this clean cut opportunity in the future for the team to go "all in".

Fact is every season will have it's share of ups and downs and there will always be some degree of doubt

Exactly. The Leafs finally got all hands on deck last game, and it was a shutout win. When this team is healthy, they can beat anyone. Adding to this team can only help their chances.

 

[SprDaVE]

I'm getting a vibe that this deadline will be quiet league-wide .. the two week quarantine and in-division schedule will keep teams in the hunt, causing more of a sellers market and I can't see the price being worth it considering the extra two weeks lost.

Maybe I'm just a skeptic.

Yeah probably. I do feel like it's a great time to be a seller... I'd want my team to take advantage of that to restock. I get it some teams desperately want the playoffs for some form of revenue or whatever though.

 

[Kiwi]

Its an interesting trade deadline. There are very few “sellers” at this point with those teams being the most engaged sound like they are the obvious:

Sens
Sharks
Ducks (Deslauriers, Rakell, Hakanpaa)
Sabres (Staal)
Devils
Red Wings (B. Ryan, Glend, Namest)

Nashville is in discussions purely due to the pieces they’ve got allegedly available, and their playoff hopes. My money is on Jankrok here, not mentioned but we will see.

Columbus is another, but I think you see Torts go before they make any significant changes.

Then there are very few “buyers” due to cap constraints and internal budgets.

Do I think the Leafs can make a move of significance?

I do, but they’ll likely need to continue to find a 3rd party to retain salary for some targets.

Lots of moving parts with several issues to overcome.

That's a lot of needles to thread, sounds potentially expensive when your buying cap space and the player as well

Yeah probably. I do feel like it's a great time to be a seller... I'd want my team to take advantage of that to restock. I get it some teams desperately want the playoffs but some form of revenue or whatever though.

A team with money to burn, cap space and players to sell could make a killing this year

Imagine the things a team like the Leafs could pull off if they were sellers?

 

[123offtheglass]

Yeah probably. I do feel like it's a great time to be a seller... I'd want my team to take advantage of that to restock. I get it some teams desperately want the playoffs but some form of revenue or whatever though.

Being a seller from a Canadian market would be pretty bad right now. 1) a lot of teams cannot add to their payroll due to flat cap & because COVID has hit their pocket hard & 2) American teams would rather buy a player that doesn't have to quarantine; so you're way more limited to selling your player(s) to Canadian teams.

I think it's a buyers market but a delayed one because the shortened season & in division play will keep teams thinking they may be in the playoff race longer than usually. The effect of this I think teams buying early, especially those from Canada will have to pay up on limited options if they want their player(s) early; but at the deadline it's going to open up all kind of supply once teams finally decide they're sellers with very little demand because there'll be all kinds of sellers with very few American buyers & probably no Canadian buyers due to the quarantine process that late in the season. Guys will go dirt cheap in the final hours or not move at all. It'll be a mad scramble (amongst American teams) late because team didn't gauge the market & team's chances right; some will either play hardbell or delay becoming sellers and later regret it.

This situation does not favor the Leafs one bit, it's currently leverage for American Teams on Canadian teams trying to do business early.

 

[stickty111]

Its an interesting trade deadline. There are very few “sellers” at this point with those teams being the most engaged sound like they are the obvious:

Sens
Sharks
Ducks (Deslauriers, Rakell, Hakanpaa)
Sabres (Staal)
Devils
Red Wings (B. Ryan, Glend, Namest)

Nashville is in discussions purely due to the pieces they’ve got allegedly available, and their playoff hopes. My money is on Jankrok here, not mentioned but we will see.

Columbus is another, but I think you see Torts go before they make any significant changes.

Then there are very few “buyers” due to cap constraints and internal budgets.

Do I think the Leafs can make a move of significance?

I do, but they’ll likely need to continue to find a 3rd party to retain salary for some targets.

Lots of moving parts with several issues to overcome.

Great thanks for the info. Even if others don't, a lot of us appreciate whatever info you give

 

[Leaftors]

 

[stickty111]

More paper stuff

 

[Leaftors]

More paper stuff

Up is:

sabourin
Rubins
Hollowell

 

[stickty111]

Up is:

sabourin
Rubins
Hollowell

Right, didn't realize Marincin and Petan were actually sent to the Marlies.

 

[Leaftors]

Right, didn't realize Marincin and Petan were actually sent to the Marlies.

Wonder what the reasoning is, liljegren’s down too

 

[stickty111]

Wonder what the reasoning is, liljegren’s down too

Yeah Keefe said they want them available for the Marlies game tomorrow