Trades and Free Agency Thread - Push all the chips in?

[dubplatepressure]

My opinion on the Ekholm interest I think boils down to the Leafs seeing an opportunity to bolster their team in a one stop shop. They have obvious interest in Granlund, so I think this is a "let's increase our offer and maybe we can fit Ekholm as a big upgrade as well since he's available" and the Preds probably liked the interest shown from the Leafs in some capacity. Similar to the Muzzin + Campbell trade, but obviously on a bigger scale.

I think Dermott is probably one of the primary assets offered in this, among obviously other future assets. I like Dermott but he's almost guaranteed to be gone after this season, so why not grab a massive upgrade if available?

I would think that is the case. A deal around Kerfoot, Dermott, our 1st, and likely some B-tier prospects would be in order. I'd be surprised if Lilly, Robertson, or Amirov made it into that package, but I guess it somewhat depends on what NSH scouts see in Dermott - if they aren't convinced he's a future top-4 they could be asking for one of Lilly or Sandin.

 

[123offtheglass]

Friedman explained his opinion was more about he wasn't sure if the Leafs would use their assets on a d-man instead of a forward, and said CJ does have good intel.

My hope is that both are right in that the Leafs do something big in adding on F & D. Also wouldn't surprise me if the Leafs are the front runners right now only because Kyle is working the phones trying to get a deal done early.

 

[123offtheglass]

My opinion on the Ekholm interest I think boils down to the Leafs seeing an opportunity to bolster their team in a one stop shop. They have obvious interest in Granlund, so I think this is a "let's increase our offer and maybe we can fit Ekholm as a big upgrade as well since he's available" and the Preds probably liked the interest shown from the Leafs in some capacity. Similar to the Muzzin + Campbell trade, but obviously on a bigger scale.

I think Dermott is probably one of the primary assets offered in this, among obviously other future assets. I like Dermott but he's almost guaranteed to be gone after this season, so why not grab a massive upgrade if available?

I would think that is the case. A deal around Kerfoot, Dermott, our 1st, and likely some B-tier prospects would be in order. I'd be surprised if Lilly, Robertson, or Amirov made it into that package, but I guess it somewhat depends on what NSH scouts see in Dermott - if they aren't convinced he's a future top-4 they could be asking for one of Lilly or Sandin.

As much as I'd like to see this I doubt it could happen unless Nashville plans on dealing both Ellis & Ekholm by the expansion draft; part of the benefit of trading Ekholm for them is so they can protect 7F 3D without losing Ekholm, Ellis or Fabbro. Otherwise they'll have to go 4F-4D.

Unless it were a multi-team deal; Sens would be a fit asset wise & expansion wise. Right now they protect 3 of the 4: Thomas Chabot, Joshua Brown, Christian Wolanin, Nikita Zaitsev... obviously Dermott would be #2 there.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Hypothetically...

If the price was the following, would you do it?

To Nashville
Travis Dermott
Pierre Engvall
Rodion Amirov
Ronnie Hirvonen or Filip Hallander
1st round pick

To Toronto
Mikael Granlund
Mattias Ekholm (retained)

Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Granlund-Tavares-Nylander
Simmonds-Kerfoot-Mikheyev
Thornton-Spezza-Robertson
Barabanov

Reilly-Brodie
Muzzin-Ekholm
Holl-Bogosian
Liljegren

Is that good enough in your opinion to be worth moving the assets?

 

[VanW27]

As much as I'd like to see this I doubt it could happen unless Nashville plans on dealing both Ellis & Ekholm by the expansion draft; part of the benefit of trading Ekholm for them is so they can protect 7F 3D without losing Ekholm, Ellis or Fabbro. Otherwise they'll have to go 4F-4D.

Unless it were a multi-team deal.

They'd be happy to go 4F/4D, they only have 3 forwards that would be high priority to protect; Johansen, Forsberg, and Arvidsson.

Then they'd protect 1 of Jarnkrok/Kunin with the last spot and lose the other. Not exactly a big loss you try to make a trade to prevent.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Hypothetically...

If the price was the following, would you do it?

To Nashville
Travis Dermott
Pierre Engvall
Rodion Amirov
Ronnie Hirvonen or Filip Hallander
1st round pick

To Toronto
Mikael Granlund
Mattias Ekholm (retained)

Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Granlund-Tavares-Nylander
Simmonds-Kerfoot-Mikheyev
Thornton-Spezza-Robertson
Barabanov

Reilly-Brodie
Muzzin-Ekholm
Holl-Bogosian
Liljegren

Is that good enough in your opinion to be worth moving the assets?

Too much

 

[123offtheglass]

They'd be happy to go 4F/4D, they only have 3 forwards that would be high priority to protect; Johansen, Forsberg, and Arvidsson.

Then they'd protect 1 of Jarnkrok/Kunin with the last spot and lose the other. Not exactly a big loss you try to make a trade to prevent.

They definitely want to protect Kunin; how much more is Dermott worth than Jarnkrok though? If they do not return a D worth protecting then they could go through the expansion draft losing bread crumbs or nothing.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Thinking outside the box, am I crazy to suggest this?

Trade for Granlund and Ekholm (retained) at the deadline in a move that involves Dermott, Kerfoot and futures.

Lose Holl to Seattle in the expansion Draft.

Let Freddie Anderson walk, freeing up 5.0 million.

Trade Morgan Reilly in the off season to the Ducks for Rickard Rackell and a 1st round pick next year (should easily be top 10), freeing up another 1.25.

Extend Bogosian, Simmonds and Spezza on cheap deals.

Sign a veteran center like Ryan Getzlaf to play 3C.

Sign a 1B goalie, such as Ullmark or Driedger to split with Campbell.

Let your stud youth, that you've drafted and developed, play.

2022 Leafs

Rackell-Matthews-Marner
Granlund-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Getzlaf-Hyman
Robertson-Spezza-Simmonds

Ekholm-Brodie
Muzzin-Liljegren
Sandin-Bogosian

Campbell
Ullmark

2x 2022 first round picks

Hypothetically, are you not a better team, still with plenty enough assets to add a depth defenseman that can play, should you feel like both Liljegren and Sandin aren't ready at the same time?

 

[123offtheglass]

Hypothetically...

If the price was the following, would you do it?

To Nashville
Travis Dermott
Pierre Engvall
Rodion Amirov
Ronnie Hirvonen or Filip Hallander
1st round pick

To Toronto
Mikael Granlund
Mattias Ekholm (retained)

Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Granlund-Tavares-Nylander
Simmonds-Kerfoot-Mikheyev
Thornton-Spezza-Robertson
Barabanov

Reilly-Brodie
Muzzin-Ekholm
Holl-Bogosian
Liljegren

Is that good enough in your opinion to be worth moving the assets?

Too much, what about this:

Nashville:
1st round pick 2021 (TOR)
Rodion Amirov
Ronnie Hirvonen or Filip Hallander
Alexander Kerfoot

Toronto:
Mattias Ekholm (10% retained)
Mikael Granlund (50% retained)
Nick Paul (no quarantine)

Ottawa:
Travis Dermott (no quarantine)

Cap works if it were done on Friday.

 

[mydnyte]

if i'm going to be honest, if we are trading for Ekholm, i'd trade Reilly while he still has good value and resign Ekholm on another contract.
Ekholm is a very underrated 2-way dman. He'd be 1-2 with Brodie with Reilly gone, and really solidify the defensive part of our game.

I'm not saying Reilly for Ekholm...

 

[IrishInOntario]

Too much, what about this:

Nashville:
1st round pick 2021 (TOR)
Rodion Amirov
Ronnie Hirvonen or Filip Hallander
Alexander Kerfoot

Toronto:
Mattias Ekholm (10% retained)
Mikael Granlund (50% retained)
Nick Paul (no quarantine)

Ottawa:
Travis Dermott (no quarantine)

Cap works if it were done on Friday.

Not quite enough, IMO. Almost there. Maybe Toronto adds a depth pick to Nashville in 2021 and something like a 3rd or a 4th to Ottawa in 2022.

 

[123offtheglass]

Not quite enough, IMO. Almost there. Maybe Toronto adds a depth pick to Nashville in 2021 and something like a 3rd or a 4th to Ottawa in 2022.

That sounds about right.

 

[IrishInOntario]

That sounds about right.

I'm thinking a 2021 4th round pick to Nashville and a 2022 conditional 4th round pick to Ottawa that becomes a 3rd if Toronto makes that Stanley Cup final.

 

[IrishInOntario]

if i'm going to be honest, if we are trading for Ekholm, i'd trade Reilly while he still has good value and resign Ekholm on another contract.
Ekholm is a very underrated 2-way dman. He'd be 1-2 with Brodie with Reilly gone, and really solidify the defensive part of our game.

I'm not saying Reilly for Ekholm...

See my post above. I don't disagree at all. If you could flip Reilly for a Rackell type and a 1st round pick (projected to be in the 1st half of the 2022 first round), that would be really nice asset management, knowing he's going to want between 7-8 million on his extension at the conclusion of 2022. Where as you can probably extend Rackell for roughly what you are paying Reilly now and partner him with Matthews and Marner for the next 4 years. You keep a high end asset and add another with the 2022 1st round pick, both of which help extend your window to compete.

 

[Fogelhund]

Thinking outside the box, am I crazy to suggest this?

Trade for Granlund and Ekholm (retained) at the deadline in a move that involves Dermott, Kerfoot and futures.

Lose Holl to Seattle in the expansion Draft.

Let Freddie Anderson walk, freeing up 5.0 million.

Trade Morgan Reilly in the off season to the Ducks for Rickard Rackell and a 1st round pick next year (should easily be top 10), freeing up another 1.25.

Extend Bogosian, Simmonds and Spezza on cheap deals.

Sign a veteran center like Ryan Getzlaf to play 3C.

Sign a 1B goalie, such as Ullmark or Driedger to split with Campbell.

Let your stud youth, that you've drafted and developed, play.

2022 Leafs

Rackell-Matthews-Marner
Granlund-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Getzlaf-Hyman
Robertson-Spezza-Simmonds

Ekholm-Brodie
Muzzin-Liljegren
Sandin-Bogosian

Campbell
Ullmark

2x 2022 first round picks

Hypothetically, are you not a better team, still with plenty enough assets to add a depth defenseman that can play, should you feel like both Liljegren and Sandin aren't ready at the same time?

No issues with most of this, though I'm not sure Getzlaf is the right guy there.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Just curious, how do our reporters find specific trade discussion details and why would teams staff provide this info?

 

[123offtheglass]

I'm thinking a 2021 4th round pick to Nashville and a 2022 conditional 4th round pick to Ottawa that becomes a 3rd if Toronto makes that Stanley Cup final.

I'd rather give up c prospects & let Kyle keep his picks that he's so good with but if it's more likely they'll want picks, and at least in terms of value it's easier to judge.

 

[ChuckWoods]

Just curious, how do our reporters find specific trade discussion details and why would teams staff provide this info?

Leaks from either side to generate open discussion and public pressure. If you want to soften the blow to the general public, or you want to try to gain traction or pressure thats the way to do it.

Leaks from player/agent side to generate for the same reasons. If you want out, thats a good way to do it.

OR the pure “educated” guess on reporters parts. Those can put the respected into iffy territory if thats what they consistently rely on.

 

[mydnyte]

Leaks from either side to generate open discussion and public pressure. If you want to soften the blow to the general public, or you want to try to gain traction or pressure thats the way to do it.

Leaks from player/agent side to generate for the same reasons. If you want out, thats a good way to do it.

i guess Granlund has wanted out for a while LOL

 

[IrishInOntario]

I'd rather give up c prospects & let Kyle keep his picks that he's so good with but if it's more likely they'll want picks, and at least in terms of value it's easier to judge.

I'd rather give up prospects as well, but both Ottawa and Nashville are are excellent drafters in their own right and would likely prefer picks.

 

[cyris]

See my post above. I don't disagree at all. If you could flip Reilly for a Rackell type and a 1st round pick (projected to be in the 1st half of the 2022 first round), that would be really nice asset management, knowing he's going to want between 7-8 million on his extension at the conclusion of 2022. Where as you can probably extend Rackell for roughly what you are paying Reilly now and partner him with Matthews and Marner for the next 4 years. You keep a high end asset and add another with the 2022 1st round pick, both of which help extend your window to compete.

Why would a rebuilding team trade their first for a player 1 year away from free agency?

 

[IrishInOntario]

No issues with most of this, though I'm not sure Getzlaf is the right guy there.

Nor am I. I was just throwing a name out there. Could be a number of guys for about 2.5 million (in this market) that could fit there....

15.5 million out...
Reilly = 5.0
Anderson = 5.0
Kerfoot = 3.5
Holl = 2.0

15.25 million in...
Rackell = 3.75
Granlund = 3.75
Hyman Extension = 2.0
Ekholm (50%) = 1.9
1A Goalie = 3.0
Sandin: 900k

 

[stickty111]

Leaks from either side to generate open discussion and public pressure. If you want to soften the blow to the general public, or you want to try to gain traction or pressure thats the way to do it.

Leaks from player/agent side to generate for the same reasons. If you want out, thats a good way to do it.

OR the pure “educated” guess on reporters parts. Those can put the respected into iffy territory if thats what they consistently rely on.

Chuck are you hearing anything? You can just PM me if don't want to share on here.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Leaks from either side to generate open discussion and public pressure. If you want to soften the blow to the general public, or you want to try to gain traction or pressure thats the way to do it.

Leaks from player/agent side to generate for the same reasons. If you want out, thats a good way to do it.

OR the pure “educated” guess on reporters parts. Those can put the respected into iffy territory if thats what they consistently rely on.

Interesting, thanks!

 

[Pinto]

Chuck are you hearing anything? You can just PM me if don't want to share on here.

#Samesies