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Petey’s hard line stance on Vancouver is interesting. One RFA season till Armageddon and puts a big money big fish alternative out there if things don’t get done with Nylander. Or Marner. Does he want to come here, win and follow in the footsteps of a Mats Sundin, form a 1-2 with Auston Matthews? Lots of possibilities if you have money.
 
Stephen said:
Petey’s hard line stance on Vancouver is interesting. One RFA season till Armageddon and puts a big money big fish alternative out there if things don’t get done with Nylander. Or Marner. Does he want to come here, win and follow in the footsteps of a Mats Sundin, form a 1-2 with Auston Matthews? Lots of possibilities if you have money.
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Elias and Nylander played together on a line at the 2019 World Hockey Championship... Nylander led the scoring, with 18 points in 8 games. It would be tough to do in a cap world.
 
If Pettersson is available next summer we have our chance for the big move we’ve been wanting

Vancouver has stupid ownership and won’t rebuild, they could be very interested in a deal getting back Marner or Nylander
 
TMLAM34 said:
I feel like Vancouver would be trying to trade for Nylander to help convince Pettersson to stay instead of trading Pettersson and replacing him with Nylander.
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Elias Pettersson is a Pat Brisson client, and John Tavares is a Pat Brisson client.

So maybe you could back channel a line of dialogue like "we want to discuss a retirement contract with Tavares in a couple years time but might need find a correct number that also allows us to go shopping for a 1A center to go with Matthews, someone who might take up the Mats Sundin mantle. If you know a guy, keep us in the loop."
 
Stephen said:
Petey’s hard line stance on Vancouver is interesting. One RFA season till Armageddon and puts a big money big fish alternative out there if things don’t get done with Nylander. Or Marner. Does he want to come here, win and follow in the footsteps of a Mats Sundin, form a 1-2 with Auston Matthews? Lots of possibilities if you have money.
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Nucks won’t trade Petey for Willie as they will no longer have a true 1C.

Most likely will be their 1st and Boeser for Willie, which would be a pretty good top 6 for them.
Boeser is not fast but he is clutch and if MM is on the other wing, he can score 50 with his shot
 
Menzinger said:
Pettersson for Nylander doesn't make any sense from Vancouver's pov
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ToneDog said:
Hell they probably pass on Pettersson for Marner unless Pettersson tells them he is not signing period. I mean why pay Marner $11m when you can pay Pettersson less if he is willing to stay.
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Initially - no

If they don't want to rebuild, in terms of what they could get back...can they pull anything better than Nylander, Timmins and Robertson? I know they'd pay Pettersson but if he wants to win and doesn't feel like it'll happen in Vancouver than you gotta win the bidding war.

I'd be really gun ho about it if it was a high end defenseman but mostly intrigued if you could do something but I am sure another team is thinking this is their chance at a 1C.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
Initially - no

If they don't want to rebuild, in terms of what they could get back...can they pull anything better than Nylander, Timmins and Robertson? I know they'd pay Pettersson but if he wants to win and doesn't feel like it'll happen in Vancouver than you gotta win the bidding war.

I'd be really gun ho about it if it was a high end defenseman but mostly intrigued if you could do something but I am sure another team is thinking this is their chance at a 1C.
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Nylander and Pettersson are probably friends to a certain degree. If Pettersson doesn’t want to re-sign in Vancouver, why would Nylander want to especially since they’ll be in contact with one another about the situation.

I get it could happen for sure, but it seems VERY unlikely. I think Vancouver would be trying to acquire Nylander in order to help convince Pettersson in re-signing.
 
TMLAM34 said:
Nylander and Pettersson are probably friends to a certain degree. If Pettersson doesn’t want to re-sign in Vancouver, why would Nylander want to especially since they’ll be in contact with one another about the situation.

I get it could happen for sure, but it seems VERY unlikely. I think Vancouver would be trying to acquire Nylander in order to help convince Pettersson in re-signing.
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Who we getting back from Vancouver….hmmmm
 
Pettersson for Marner would be such smart business for the Leafs. They get younger player in a premium position and he is probably cheaper. Unfortunately Marner has a NMC.
 
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Gabriel426 said:
Nucks won’t trade Petey for Willie as they will no longer have a true 1C.

Most likely will be their 1st and Boeser for Willie, which would be a pretty good top 6 for them.
Boeser is not fast but he is clutch and if MM is on the other wing, he can score 50 with his shot
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No, not a direct trade with Vancouver. An alternative target for spending all of our Nylander and Marner money if they don’t get re-signed.
 
Americanadian said:
Pettersson for Marner would be such smart business for the Leafs. They get younger player in a premium position and he is probably cheaper. Unfortunately Marner has a NMC.
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No, I’m not suggesting a trade specifically. I’m saying Pettersson walking away from Vancouver would present a potential UFA target to shift our cap dollars towards. Only thing I’m not sure about is if he’s headed to arbitration after this year if he refuses to sign. Which would walk him to UFA status in 2 years time.
 
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A deal with Vancouver, to move Nylander there doesn't seem very attractive to me. They don't have much cap space, so they'll need to send someone back.... and that looks like Boeser. It doesn't matter what you add to Boeser, that makes us worse for the now, as it wouldn't give us any further cap space to do much in the lineup. Maybe you add Podkolzin to the deal, hoping that he finally turns into something, and a top 5 protected first... but it definitely makes us worse this season.
 
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Fogelhund said:
A deal with Vancouver, to move Nylander there doesn't seem very attractive to me. They don't have much cap space, so they'll need to send someone back.... and that looks like Boeser. It doesn't matter what you add to Boeser, that makes us worse for the now, as it wouldn't give us any further cap space to do much in the lineup. Maybe you add Kuzmenko to the deal, hoping that he finally turns into something, and a top 5 protected first... but it definitely makes us worse this season.
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I don't think they move Kuzmenko for Nylander straight up. If anything because Kuzmenko is signed for 5M for the next 2 seasons. I think any move is centered around Garland and one or both of their young roster players in Podkolzin/Hoglander.

Boeser should be a non-starter. He is the opposite style of player that the Leafs need.

Stephen said:
No, I’m not suggesting a trade. I’m saying Pettersson walking away from Vancouver would present a potential UFA target to shift our cap dollars towards. Only thing I’m not sure about is if he’s headed to arbitration after this year if he refuses to sign. Which would walk him to UFA status in 2 years time.
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Pettersson's UFA would line up with Tavares nicely but I highly doubt Vancouver let's him get to that point. Whether that be trade or re-signing him.
 
I guess just keep an eye on the Canucks. If they struggle on the ice and the contract situation festers, Nylander continues to produce maybe there is a match in terms of Willie plus for Petey. Maybe use the threat of Willie for Petey to get Willie signed too. Who knows.
 
Americanadian said:
I don't think they move Kuzmenko for Nylander straight up. If anything because Kuzmenko is signed for 5M for the next 2 seasons. I think any move is centered around Garland and one or both of their young roster players in Podkolzin/Hoglander.

Boeser should be a non-starter. He is the opposite style of player that the Leafs need.


Pettersson's UFA would line up with Tavares nicely but I highly doubt Vancouver let's him get to that point. Whether that be trade or re-signing him.
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I miss typed. I was thinking Podkolzin, typed Kuzmenko. You’d be correct, they wouldn’t move Kuzmenko.
 
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I like Pettersson, but I’m guessing he’s going to want more than Nylander, and having even more $ tied up in four players might not be advisable.
 
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Fogelhund said:
I like Pettersson, but I’m guessing he’s going to want more than Nylander, and having even more $ tied up in four players might not be advisable.
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You might need to get through a year of Tavares...definitely getting a high end defenseman is one of the top priorities for me.

I'd love Petey but that is something I think is gonna push us forward.
 
Stephen said:
No, not a direct trade with Vancouver. An alternative target for spending all of our Nylander and Marner money if they don’t get re-signed.
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I see I see.

Petey will be great as a shot in PP plus a 1B with AM being 1A. It also gives the Leafs option down the road if AM wants more money. He also plays the PK like MM too.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
Initially - no

If they don't want to rebuild, in terms of what they could get back...can they pull anything better than Nylander, Timmins and Robertson? I know they'd pay Pettersson but if he wants to win and doesn't feel like it'll happen in Vancouver than you gotta win the bidding war.

I'd be really gun ho about it if it was a high end defenseman but mostly intrigued if you could do something but I am sure another team is thinking this is their chance at a 1C.
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Since Nylanders a ufa who (imo) likely won't extend with them which would kill the value of the deal. Vancouver would likely be looking to add a similarly aged guy or even younger if they move out Pettersson
 
As of today we are still over cap even when waiving gambrell/jones/benoit and sending robertson down.


Only way we are cap compliant is a 20 man roster with Timmins waived. Gotta think someone will get moved soon.
 
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