Trades and Free Agency Discussion - The Dog Days of Summer

[thusk]

Carolina needs more scoring. They don’t need to win a value quality/price forum comp. they just need more quality.

The fact they need more scoring doesn't mean nylander is the right fit

The best exemple is Jonathan Huberdeau, why did he past from 115 points to 55 next season with Sutter? The answer is simple, the way huberdeau playing just doesn't fit with Sutter system.. and sorry nobody can considere nylander like a better player than huberdeau... its just an exemple of how a system can affect a player if he just dont fit pretty well in

If you dont put nylander in a system he would able to be free to make play, sorry good chance he become the next huberdeau if trade+ extend for next season

 

[IPS]

Am I? Several PPG years is being very generous. He had 3 out of 7 so far in the NHL. 83 points in 82 games, 57 points in 56 games and 81 points in 79 games. That's it. The rest are all under a PPG. He never scored more than 40 goals a year either, but a good bunch of 30 goal seasons. His most common linemates are Teravainen, Jarvis, Necas and Svechnikov. He's a good player, I never said otherwise.

I'm just saying his production and level of play is outmatched by both Marner and Matthews and it's not really close. You can make any excuse you want.

Yes, you certainly are. Simple production doesn't even begin to describe Aho's game anyway. But you brought up none of the other aspects of his game in your post so it doesn't seem like you're too interested.

 

[SprDaVE]

Yes, you certainly are. Simple production doesn't even begin to describe Aho's game anyway. But you brought up none of the other aspects of his game in your post so it doesn't seem like you're too interested.

I brought up my points. You just said I'm wrong. So I'm not sure what I'm supposed to bring more here when you just said stuff without any evidence. Where's this evidence where I said Aho isn't a great player and where this evidence that he does so much more than his production suggests?

Let's not even bring up the fact that Marner is one of the best 2-way players in the league and just nominated for a Selke. Matthews doesn't PK but he's definitely among one of the best 2-way centers in the league as well.

But you're right, I ain't interested. Have a good summer IPS.

 

[IPS]

Am I? Several PPG years is being very generous. He had 3 out of 7 so far in the NHL. 83 points in 82 games, 57 points in 56 games and 81 points in 79 games. That's it. The rest are all under a PPG. He never scored more than 40 goals a year either, but a good bunch of 30 goal seasons. His most common linemates are Teravainen, Jarvis, Necas and Svechnikov. He's a good player, I never said otherwise.

I'm just saying his production and level of play is outmatched by both Marner and Matthews and it's not really close. You can make any excuse you want.

The gap in production would be reduced by a lot of he played with an elite talent like Matthews or Marner and in a more offensively-favored system in Toronto than Carolina (which is extremely hard to produce in). Does Aho receive the same usage as Matthews/Marner? he's the go-to matchup guy on the team.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Yes, you certainly are. Simple production doesn't even begin to describe Aho's game anyway. But you brought up none of the other aspects of his game in your post so it doesn't seem like you're too interested.

If only the guy you’re crying about getting paid more than him was nominated for a Selke while blowing him out of the water offensively. Also Staal is their matchup guy, Aho gets 60% offensive zone starts with offensive wingers.

 

[IPS]

If only the guy you’re crying about getting paid more than him was nominated for a Selke while blowing him out of the water offensively. Also Staal is their matchup guy, Aho gets 60% offensive zone starts with offensive wingers.

Not at all what I'm doing but you do you pal.

 

[Fogelhund]

It's a nice contract, and should help us with signing Nylander. As far as external comparables are concerned, this squarely places Nylander below this contract, and should point to it being in the $9.2 x 8 range.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[Buds17]

The value of Aho's new contract is probably even better than the offer sheet Carolina matched from Montreal during the previous round of negotiations with the player.

 

[nuck]

It's a nice contract, and should help us with signing Nylander. As far as external comparables are concerned, this squarely places Nylander below this contract, and should point to it being in the $9.2 x 8 range.

Willie outscored him badly this season. Other years and the other parts of their respective games will be ignored. As long as he is looking waaay up at Mitch and AM I'm not sure how any actual comps will resonate. Nobody knows of course but I would be quite surprised if they made a deal at $9.2. That seems like a leap from either side's position and I kind of think the only way he stays a Leaf is if the club gets him on a great deal.

 

[andora]

But scoring

Other teams do their thing we do ours

Sigh

 

[dangomon]

The gap in production would be reduced by a lot of he played with an elite talent like Matthews or Marner and in a more offensively-favored system in Toronto than Carolina (which is extremely hard to produce in). Does Aho receive the same usage as Matthews/Marner? he's the go-to matchup guy on the team.

Did you just use 'playing with talents like Matthews/Marner' are a way to reduce Marner's value? So players get a boost playing with Mitch, but Mitch on his own wouldn't be great because he gets to play with a great player...Did I get that right? You can argue that quality of teammates favours the two TML players, but lets not pretend Aho plays with bums..

 

[Duffman955]

How us Aho even in the same stratosphere as Marner Matthews. The f***er put up 60 points

This is stupid. It has to stop

 

[kb]

How us Aho even in the same stratosphere as Marner Matthews.

This is stupid. It has to stop

Only if you have a very specific (and unbelievably weak) reason to do this.

 

[IPS]

Did you just use 'playing with talents like Matthews/Marner' are a way to reduce Marner's value? So players get a boost playing with Mitch, but Mitch on his own wouldn't be great because he gets to play with a great player...Did I get that right? You can argue that quality of teammates favours the two TML players, but lets not pretend Aho plays with bums..

I'd be willing to bet Aho could hit 90+ playing with Marner instead of Svechnikov. Still doesn't bring him to Matthews' level, but then again he's going to be getting paid like $4M less than him so it makes sense. I'm not reducing anybody's value - I'm holding the guys who are being paid a lot more to a much higher standard.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Am I? Several PPG years is being very generous. He had 3 out of 7 so far in the NHL. 83 points in 82 games, 57 points in 56 games and 81 points in 79 games. That's it. The rest are all under a PPG. He never scored more than 40 goals a year either, but a good bunch of 30 goal seasons. His most common linemates are Teravainen, Jarvis, Necas and Svechnikov. He's a good player, I never said otherwise.

I'm just saying his production and level of play is outmatched by both Marner and Matthews and it's not really close. You can make any excuse you want.

Not that I disagree with your overall point at all but he basically scored at a PPG the previous 4 years to this past season. He has also paced for a 46 goal season and a 39 goal season so would say he would be a 40 goal scorer if not for covid. Still not close to the player Marner or Matthews is

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Well with Matt Murray on LTIR Leafs are about 2 million over the cap.

If it were me next move would be to trade Lafferty and replace him with a free agent willing to accept the minimum.

2 names that come to mind are Max Comtois assuming he's in the clear from team Canada.

Or Josh Bailey

You save 425K and It's very likely you get a better player.

Obviously Comtois is preferred because of age but again team Canada.

Beyond that Dylan Gambrell probably gets sent down.

I don't want to do it but Pontus Holmberg is another option he's waivers exempt and actually makes 25K more than Gambrell

 

[Ziggdiezan]

If only the guy you’re crying about getting paid more than him was nominated for a Selke while blowing him out of the water offensively. Also Staal is their matchup guy, Aho gets 60% offensive zone starts with offensive wingers.

While true Staal also gets offensive starts more than defensive starts. Carolina just aren't in the defensive zone too often so probably better to look at a relative stat for zone starts

 

[tmlfan98]

Assuming full health and no one else on the roster becomes LTIR eligible by surprise like Liljegren at the start of last season, all the Leafs have to do to become cap compliant with a 21-man roster now is trade either 1 of Jarnkrok/Liljegren, or both Lafferty and Timmins.

 

[SprDaVE]

Assuming full health and no one else on the roster becomes LTIR eligible by surprise like Liljegren at the start of last season, all the Leafs have to do to become cap compliant with a 21-man roster now is trade either 1 of Jarnkrok/Liljegren, or both Lafferty and Timmins.

I'd like to think there's more than just doing the bare minimum before the season starts for the team.

 

[WTFMAN99]

How us Aho even in the same stratosphere as Marner Matthews. The f***er put up 60 points

This is stupid. It has to stop

Aho's career he's been mostly PT /game

Last 5 years he's had 360 gp and 354 pts = 0.98 pt / game

Matthews career, well over a pt/game

Last 5 years Matthews has had 337 gp and 410 pts = 1.21 pt /game

Now...what's a realistic gap between the 2? Can it really be greater than 2M?

Keep in mind that Aho actually has 0.92 pt/game in playoffs and Matthews has 0.88 pt/game

 

[A1LeafNation]

Knies Matthews Marner
Bertuzzi Tavares Nylander
Comtois Domi Jarnkrok
Holmberg Kampf Lafferty/Reaves

One year deal and let Comtois prove it and get a big payday.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Knies Matthews Marner
Bertuzzi Tavares Nylander
Comtois Domi Jarnkrok
Holmberg Kampf Lafferty/Reaves

One year deal and let Comtois prove it and get a big payday.

No one is touching Comtois or Foote right now because of the hockey Canada stuff, too much could go wrong optically.

 

[A1LeafNation]

No one is touching Comtois or Foote right now because of the hockey Canada stuff, too much could go wrong optically.

True, but if he is cleared then sign him.

 

[WTFMAN99]

True, but if he is cleared then sign him.

I actually think the Leafs should be trying to grab a few guys like Heinen, ZAR, Motte, Erne, Bear, Holden, Gagner, Pool Party and Hajek and sign them to 1 year 800k-1M 1-way deals...stash a few in the AHL so that you have good guys to call upon.

I suspect only a few would bite but they may not want to miss out on a job opportunity and 800k-1M to play in the AHL (no escrow) might be more appealing than a camp invite with no assurances they'd be able to get a contract.