Trades and Free Agency Discussion - The Dog Days of Summer

[nuck]

And natural stat trick has this for 5on5

Thanks. Thats closer for sure plus the JT-Willie minutes on NST would include about 60 where Tavares was the LW for either AM or ROR.

 

[notDatsyuk]

We have a 35+ goal PPG Center who is one of the best faceoff guys in the League ...we certainly do NOT desperately need a 2C
People were ready to pencil in ROR as the #2C but he's slower than JT and has lost most of his offense.
we need a 'future' #2C and that is true, but, as long as JT is here, he is more than capable.

He's hit 35 goals once in the last four seasons and barely made PPG once in the last four seasons, and he only did either because he got half his goals and points on the PP.

Except for the faceoffs, the PP isn't where you assess a center.

We desperately need a real 2C.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Where are you getting this info from? MoneyPuck says about Willie spent about 455m with AM at center and 315m with JT at center. 132m beside all others. Do you have a different data base?

I was wondering - that shows about 902 minutes. At even strength he played 1207 minutes. Even at 5v5 he had 1160 minutes. Any idea where the other 260-300 are?

 

[TMLAM34]

I don’t think we desperately need a second line center. Domi was almost 54% last season and can switch with Tavares back and forth from the wing. I wouldn’t mind seeing a second line of Tavares - Domi - Marner and what they can do.

Now don’t get me wrong, if we could acquire a potential second line center I’m still all for it. I’ve been mentioning Glass’ name around here recently. Wright might be another name if Nylander is moved.

 

[Fogelhund]

I was wondering - that shows about 902 minutes. At even strength he played 1207 minutes. Even at 5v5 he had 1160 minutes. Any idea where the other 260-300 are?

According to NHL.com

1412:31 total time on ice.
276.12 PP
1135.25 EV

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Money Puck has time categorized as 5v5 4v5 5v4 and other. Other can be 4v4, 5v3, or 3v3 (OT). THey have JT's OTHER time as 61 minutes. 5v4 269 minutes 5v5 1080 minutes 5v5.

Taking a look at both sets of data.... you conclude that JT had 7 minutes of 5 v 3 time, and 55 minutes of combined 4v4 and 3v3 time.

There appears to be some rounding on Money Puck... so the times I calculated are close, but not exact, but it's +- 1 minute.

 

[nuck]

I was wondering - that shows about 902 minutes. At even strength he played 1207 minutes. Even at 5v5 he had 1160 minutes. Any idea where the other 260-300 are?

Yeah I was looking at that as well. With Natural StatTrick the numbers line up a lot better with NHL.com but it is harder to navigate. Lots of good information there including which teams overpower specific players and which teams they feast on but you have to spend the time..

 

[Fogelhund]

He's hit 35 goals once in the last four seasons and barely made PPG once in the last four seasons, and he only did either because he got half his goals and points on the PP.

Except for the faceoffs, the PP isn't where you assess a center.

We desperately need a real 2C.

Tavares had a drop off in Even Strength production last year, but was still 48th for all C's. His prior two years were 9th and 22nd. So prior to this year, his Even strength production has been excellent, decent 1C production... not even close to 2C.

I'm not particularly concerned about his production at this point. What is most important, is net goals. At this point, we scored 53.1% of the goals, 5v5 when Tavares is on the ice. (Money Puck) As long as that number is positive, then we are good.

Yes, we need to find a future 2C replacement, but for now, as long as we score more goals 5v5 when he's on the ice, than we give up, AND he has good PP contribution, we should be fine with him at 2C. I don't see it as a desperate situation.

 

[andora]

We can get by another year on this number 2 center idea but one of the priorities needs to be succession planning - and right now we dont have anyone. Even someone who projects to be a top 6 center whether he hits it or not

But nothing

 

[Fogelhund]

We can get by another year on this number 2 center idea but one of the priorities needs to be succession planning - and right now we dont have anyone. Even someone who projects to be a top 6 center whether he hits it or not

But nothing

Honestly, I think we are stuck here for now, until 25/26. We can hope of all hope that the big three sign contracts under $35 mil combined, and Tavares does something like $4/5 mil extension at the most. We'll be able to afford someone in the $6 mil range at that point... That would be a low end 2C as a UFA... or we could try and find one elsewhere. It seems improbable that we can draft and develop one, based on where we should be drafting.

 

[nuck]

We can get by another year on this number 2 center idea but one of the priorities needs to be succession planning - and right now we dont have anyone. Even someone who projects to be a top 6 center whether he hits it or not

But nothing

Yeah they could have had Thomas or Norris in 2017 and Thomas was a Knight. The lure of a potential high end RD may have been too much to ignore. Thomas was rising hard the second half and Lily was dropping like a stone.

Mercer over Amirov would have worked as well but not sure if his future is as a center.

They will maybe need a young C/RW coming back in the Nylander deal

 

[andora]

Honestly, I think we are stuck here for now, until 25/26. We can hope of all hope that the big three sign contracts under $35 mil combined, and Tavares does something like $4/5 mil extension at the most. We'll be able to afford someone in the $6 mil range at that point... That would be a low end 2C as a UFA... or we could try and find one elsewhere. It seems improbable that we can draft and develop one, based on where we should be drafting.

assign someone to identify young centers that have potential that are trapped on other teams - that's a start
start looking at RFAs that have a potential $ raise coming vs the team they are on cap situation - identify anything that could shake loose

they better be identifying this cause re-signing JT as a plan in two years ain't going to cut it when i could probably move faster than him at that point

Yeah they could have had Thomas or Norris in 2017 and Thomas was a Knight. The lure of a potential high end RD may have been too much to ignore. Thomas was rising hard the second half and Lily was dropping like a stone.

Mercer over Amirov would have worked as well but not sure if his future is as a center.

They will maybe need a young C/RW coming back in the Nylander deal

i don't want to talk about draft what ifs.. plenty of material to depress me in the past 5 years

 

[Fogelhund]

They will maybe need a young C/RW coming back in the Nylander deal

Somehow I don’t think Nylander gets moved, but on the chance he does, that should be our main requirement. To me it’s a package that includes Shane Wright. He’s never going to be that exceptional status guy, but he should be a decent 2C.

I can’t think of many other teams who could afford to give up such a player.

 

[LaPlante94]

Somehow I don’t think Nylander gets moved, but on the chance he does, that should be our main requirement. To me it’s a package that includes Shane Wright. He’s never going to be that exceptional status guy, but he should be a decent 2C.

I can’t think of many other teams who could afford to give up such a player.

Shane Wright and Bjorkstrand would be my must have in a trade with Seattle and then whatever else added whether it be draft pick(s) or depth pieces or they simply take on Murrays contract to LTIR or buyout instead.

 

[al secord]

Hopefully Treliving can reign Keefe in from playing Gio all 82 games. That Gio/Lilly pairing could be something special.

This team is far too good to need to lean on a 39 year old so much during the regular season.

Another Schenn-like cheap 7th d acquisition could be just all this team needs.

 

[TMLAM34]

Something around Wright and Oleksiak wouldn’t be bad either for Nylander.

 

[Fogelhund]

Something around Wright and Oleksiak wouldn’t be bad either for Nylander.

I’d try and do Nylander + Brodie for Wright, Bjork and Larsson

 

[andora]

Shane Wright and Bjorkstrand would be my must have in a trade with Seattle and then whatever else added whether it be draft pick(s) or depth pieces or they simply take on Murrays contract to LTIR or buyout instead.

I don't think you'd get much more than those two together

 

[LaPlante94]

I’d try and do Nylander + Brodie for Wright, Bjork and Larsson

That's also what I was thinking if we added Brodie

 

[TMLAM34]

I’d love Larsson but I don’t see Seattle trading him at all. He’s probably their most important dman.

 

[nuck]

I don't think you'd get much more than those two together

At this point other players may need to come into play like Robertson and Niemela. If there is a deal to be made that can help the club and non roster players are the difference maker why not? I am not thinking just about the specific proposal by LaPlante94 but any. It depends if another club values these guys more than the Leafs do and if you want someone to solve your cap problems it has to be worth their while. Especially if you have cost controlled talent coming back.

 

[Americanadian]

I’d try and do Nylander + Brodie for Wright, Bjork and Larsson

I don't see a world where Seattle does that. Larsson=Brodie and the gap between Bjork and Nylander isn't Wright. This doesn't even take into account contracts.

 

[Dreakmur]

That is why is was foolish trading Rasmus Sandin because he was blocked by a 40 year old.

He was traded because he didn’t make progress on the skating issues that the team wanted.

 

[TMLAM34]

Massive 3-way deal in dream land…


To Toronto: Seth Jarvis + Cody Glass
To Carolina: William Nylander + Dante Fabbro
To Nashville: Brett Pesce + Pontus Holmberg


Top 3 forward lines:

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Jarvis
Tavares - Domi - Marner
Knies - Glass - Jarnkrok

 

[Fogelhund]

I don't see a world where Seattle does that. Larsson=Brodie and the gap between Bjork and Nylander isn't Wright. This doesn't even take into account contracts.

Bjork had 45 points last year.
Nylander nearly double at 87 points.

You don’t think the difference between them is a prospect who was sent back to juniors and managed 7 points at the World Juniors to Bedards 23?

Seriously?

 

[BM14]

Bjork had 45 points last year.
Nylander nearly double at 87 points.

You don’t think the difference between them is a prospect who was sent back to juniors and managed 7 points at the World Juniors to Bedards 23?

Seriously?

Why are you omitting "1st 4th overall pick 2 years ago" from your description of him? He's not "just a prospect"