Trades and Free Agency Discussion - The Dog Days of Summer

[Americanadian]

Why exactly exclude this season?

Last four seasons. Nylander 122 goals. Bjork. 86.

You don’t arbitrarily get to eliminate Nylander’s best year but keep Bjorkstrand’s.

Bjork also is pretty much a 20 goal scorer, with on year much above that. Nylander has consistently been a 30 goal + guy.

To suggest these guys are close is ridiculous, particularly the value per dollar notion.

So with a Bjork for Nylander trade, what are you happy with the add being?

To answer your last question: Tolvanen or Borgen.

The point I am trying to make is that they aren’t THAT far apart that Wright is the filler. You started by comparing Bjorkstrand’s down season to Nylander’s career season which is why I countered with a larger body of work.

I stand by the value per dollar statement if Nylander makes more than 9M. I don’t even see how it’s arguable.

 

[andora]

I agree a bjorkstrand borgen package would do it for me

But i am a really big long term borgen fan

 

[Americanadian]

I agree a bjorkstrand borgen package would do it for me

But i am a really big long term borgen fan

I suggested a Tolvanen, Borgen, Wright package prior to Borgen being signed. I think that’s more than Seattle would give though.

 

[andora]

I suggested a Tolvanen, Borgen, Wright package prior to Borgen being signed. I think that’s more than Seattle would give though.

Good players.. i dont really care for tolvanen here specifically and wright great talent..

 

[Americanadian]

Good players.. i dont really care for tolvanen here specifically and wright great talent..

It’s not a perfect package but I don’t think there’s any packages out there for Nylander that will look good.

 

[al secord]

Of course Tavares "cares" about winning. "Caring" really isn't the low bar every Leaf should be aspiring to... whether he can spearhead a championship is the question. And whether the Leafs have enough to build a team that can carry him to a championship if he isn't capable.

Did you miss the post I responded to?

 

[Stephen]

Did you miss the post I responded to?

Yeah, I'm agreeing with you. Just stating that caring in and of itself is not all that valuable.

 

[andora]

It’s not a perfect package but I don’t think there’s any packages out there for Nylander that will look good.

I definitely agree. If he ends up getting traded chances are people are going to be initially pissed at what the return is

 

[Menzinger]

It’s not a perfect package but I don’t think there’s any packages out there for Nylander that will look good.

Which in part is why management will likely continue to focus on an extension.

 

[Americanadian]

Which in part is why management will likely continue to focus on an extension.

That appears to be the direction they're going which also looks like it will be a mistake.

 

[ULF_55]

That appears to be the direction they're going which also looks like it will be a mistake.

Does trading Nylander fix any of the mistakes that have previously been made.
Of the contracts you'd have to say his was the only one earned of the forwards.
So trade Nylander because Tavares is old, marner and Matthews are overpaid?
Doesn't that just perpetuate the two sets of rules, one for marner and Matthews and everyone else?
Sounds more like a punishment trade by someone in over their head.

 

[horner]

Does trading Nylander fix any of the mistakes that have previously been made.
Of the contracts you'd have to say his was the only one earned of the forwards.
So trade Nylander because Tavares is old, marner and Matthews are overpaid?
Doesn't that just perpetuate the two sets of rules, one for marner and Matthews and everyone else?
Sounds more like a punishment trade by someone in over their head.

I think mathews is the one to go.
If he was going to sign at 12.5 mil or 13 mil it would have been done 4 yr deal.
I think he wants 14 mil * 4 yrs

He is not woth 14 mil

Trading him is not a win


Our top cap needs to be reset to build a team

Sign Willy at 9.5 mil * 8

When Marner's contract mil more * 8

 

[ULF_55]

I think mathews is the one to go.
If he was going to sign at 12.5 mil or 13 mil it would have been done 4 yr deal.
I think he wants 14 mil * 4 yrs

He is not woth 14 mil

Trading him is not a win


Our top cap needs to be reset to build a team

Sign Willy at 9.5 mil * 8

When Marner's contract mil more * 8

Don't disagree, but doubt it happens.

I don't think Treliving has that authority, nor does he have any currency as a winner.

If Lou or Scotty or Glenn were around and the GM and less than geriatric they'd have the currency to trade anyone in the league.

Treliving has accomplished nothing and has no clout.

 

[horner]

Don't disagree, but doubt it happens.

I don't think Treliving has that authority, nor does he have any currency as a winner.

If Lou or Scotty or Glenn were around and the GM and less than geriatric they'd have the currency to trade anyone in the league.

Treliving has accomplished nothing and has no clout.

I agree

If not Willy is gone because he will want 10.5 mil

It just doesn't work

 

[ULF_55]

I agree

If not Willy is gone because he will want 10.5 mil

It just doesn't work

I'd be interested to see how Pettersson and Nylander play together.

 

[Americanadian]

Does trading Nylander fix any of the mistakes that have previously been made.
Of the contracts you'd have to say his was the only one earned of the forwards.
So trade Nylander because Tavares is old, marner and Matthews are overpaid?
Doesn't that just perpetuate the two sets of rules, one for marner and Matthews and everyone else?
Sounds more like a punishment trade by someone in over their head.

Please don’t misinterpret my message as “Nylander is the only one who needs to go”. I would trade all 3 if I was running the team. I truly don’t think the Leafs will ever win anything with Matthews/Marner/Nylander.

 

[ULF_55]

Please don’t misinterpret my message as “Nylander is the only one who needs to go”. I would trade all 3 if I was running the team. I truly don’t think the Leafs will ever win anything with Matthews/Marner/Nylander.

Not until they find a leader, and the leader doesn't have his feet cut out from under him by the coach.

 

[BayStBullies]

Please don’t misinterpret my message as “Nylander is the only one who needs to go”. I would trade all 3 if I was running the team. I truly don’t think the Leafs will ever win anything with Matthews/Marner/Nylander.

Wow, you really are going out on a limb. You're of the opinion that 1 of 32 teams will not win within a small amount of years.

 

[Americanadian]

Wow, you really are going out on a limb. You're of the opinion that 1 of 32 teams will not win within a small amount of years.

Did I say I was "going out on a limb"?

 

[Americanadian]

Not until they find a leader, and the leader doesn't have his feet cut out from under him by the coach.

They need someone who will tell the high priced players that they need to be better when they actually need to be better.

 

[ULF_55]

They need someone who will tell the high priced players that they need to be better when they actually need to be better.

You mean like in the post season?

Mind you, I think many think this team is good enough to win, me included, but I and many others have been wrong before.

It appears from several years evidence, this team is a mirage.

 

[Americanadian]

You mean like in the post season?

Mind you, I think many think this team is good enough to win, me included, but I and many others have been wrong before.

It appears from several years evidence, this team is a mirage.

Yes - I do not believe those 3 can carry the Leafs to a cup.

 

[hamzarocks]

You might want to try reading that again. There was no such statement made.

You brought up bedard in a Wright comparison which makes no sense

You implied wright is no bedard as if that hurts him. Bedard having 23 in 7 os due to him beibg a top 5 prospect ever and having the greatest or 2nd greatest performance for a draft eligible player at the WJC-U20.

There are 3-5 comparable prospects in NHL history as Bedard. If Wright were that level he would again cost Matthews++

Wright is a top 15 or so prospect still. He has high end upside and a similar ceiling to leafs Tavares.

He is a blue chip prospect and is around similar value to Nylander back in 2015 (nylander was probably 8-16th best prospect in the league which is around where Wright is)

 

[ULF_55]

Yes - I do not believe those 3 can carry the Leafs to a cup.

Tavares, Matthews and marner have been fine until the post-season.

 

[Menzinger]

That appears to be the direction they're going which also looks like it will be a mistake.

Disagree. An acceptable Nylander extension is ultimately the best outcome at this point

It keeps the team competitive in the immediate term, it then allows the team to retool once Tavares' contract comes off the books + the rising cap. And if things still flop they still have the asset to trade down the line

Trading Nylander for a medicore to bad return solves nothing in the short or long term.