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Regarding Kane, the question I ask myself is whether that piece has a chance to push us over the top? If so, I'd be fine pushing in our chips and taking a gamble.

My nagging concern is we have shown so little success in the playoffs that I'd be reluctant to pony up the farm for a rental, even one like Patrick Kane. The goaltending situation doesn't help my confidence.

Then again, I do think this club was the toughest Tampa faced in the postseason last year outside of Colorado, so maybe a big add is just what we need.
 
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The Management said:
Regarding Kane, the question I ask myself is whether that piece has a chance to push us over the top? If so, I'd be fine pushing in our chips and taking a gamble.

My nagging concern is we have shown so little success in the playoffs that I'd be reluctant to pony up the farm for a rental, even one like Patrick Kane. The goaltending situation doesn't help my confidence.

Then again, I do think this club was the toughest Tampa faced in the postseason last year outside of Colorado, so maybe a big add is just what we need.
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I get the feeling Kane will end up in NY Rangers. His old buddy Panarin is there and top of that he's from Buffalo. Rangers are also very close to winning an Stanly Cup contender with Shes and players they have. They also have the prospect pool to dishout for Kane like Othmann, Laf, Kravstov
 
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DraftSchmaft said:
I must have entered some sort of twilight zone. People are more excited for deep drafts than they are adding Patrick Kane to our current window. Do you know who Patrick Kane is?

Having constant material to discuss in the prospects thread doesn't take priority over a Stanley Cup. Do I need to remind people the players that comprise this core and their ages. We are in win now mode + their ages basically make them closer to prospect age than it does washed up age. Actual superstars and top 6 players. We can let go of prospects and picks who aren't even guaranteed to be NHL regulars right now for a Patrick Kane. Again I must ask do people know who Patrick Kane is? I'm starting to think they don't.
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Do you know who he is? He's a 34 year old rental that would require double retention. Not interested in trading the equivalent of 3x 1st round picks, some of which are NHL ready, and slamming our window shut after not having a 1st in the last 2/3 years.

He doesn't guarantee you anything but you would be guaranteeing a worse team 5 years after he walks. Paying premium assets for players with term is a lesson I thought people would get by now.
 
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Knies iT said:
Do you know who he is? He's a 34 year old rental that would require double retention. Not interested in trading the equivalent of 3x 1st round picks, some of which are NHL ready, and slamming our window shut after not having a 1st in the last 2/3 years.

He doesn't guarantee you anything but you would be guaranteeing a worse team 5 years after he walks. Paying premium assets for players with term is a lesson I thought people would get by now.
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I think the question will be can Kane pushes the Leafs to the top?
Personally, with Murray being our No.1 goalie(as there is as good as a chance of him being good or being injured), I don't think Dubas should make the trade unless he is willing to reset this summer if all fails and bet on resigning AM or trade AM to retool, and start the McD coming home in 2 years promo this summer. Thats something I don't think Dubas is capable of doing, as he is not Masai.

Patty Kane would certainly be good for the team as he can still score and is pure clutch, but I doubt it will happen. I think all these rumors of trading Kane are for Hawks Mgt to have a better look at what they can potentially get for Kane around the TDL.
 
Rasmus Sandin + Alex Kerfoot + Rodion Amirov + 2023 1st rd. pick (top-5 protected)

for

JT Miller - (50% retained) - with a prenegotiated deal (8.25M per for 6 years) + Luke Schenn - (50% retained)
 
justashadowof said:
My money is on the Penguins to acquire Patrick Kane if they are playoff bound this spring. It might be their last kick at the can.
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Or Boston. In the same boat

stickty111 said:
Chicago isn't getting Nylander in return. These proposals are crazy.
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You wouldn't trade one year of Kane for two years of nylander?

You realize he's about to get a massive pay raise right?

Dude loves money even more then the rest of them
 
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The Management said:
Regarding Kane, the question I ask myself is whether that piece has a chance to push us over the top? If so, I'd be fine pushing in our chips and taking a gamble.

My nagging concern is we have shown so little success in the playoffs that I'd be reluctant to pony up the farm for a rental, even one like Patrick Kane. The goaltending situation doesn't help my confidence.

Then again, I do think this club was the toughest Tampa faced in the postseason last year outside of Colorado, so maybe a big add is just what we need.
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It is what we need imo.

We have to think of a window of opportunity and a chance to possibly make players even better. Kane can still bring that element plus,... I also tend to think come trade deadline it would be another time to really move in all the chips and shore up an area that seems like it could use another extra umph to get us over the top.

Saying all that, I think rounding out our team could also be applied with a couple of trades using pretty much the same players mentioned for this Kane trade propsal but,..... again my point being is moving the chips in now also shows the rest of the team the seriousness management is willing to take and most likely "other adds" that top off the cake and gives us the "icing on the cake" come into place later on.
 
The price for Kane is essentially already set. It will be the equivalent of two mid to late 1sts and a 2nd.

With the potential substitution of the picks for similarly valued young roster players or prospects.

rocketman588 said:
Or Boston. In the same boat


You wouldn't trade one year of Kane for two years of nylander?

You realize he's about to get a massive pay raise right?

Dude loves money even more then the rest of them
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No. The point of adding a guy for Kane is to add to a stacked core as the final piece for the cup run. Not rearrange the core for a one year rental and ultimately be out the two assets by the offseason when Kane leaves to free agency.

And the Hawks will want futures anyways, not win now assets like Nylander
 
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Shooter2x said:
My advanced stats show a correlation with the "K" sound on last name and championships in Toronto.

Joe Carter.
Kawhi

It's only fitting Kane is the missing piece in the one league we don't have a championship in post 90's.

Get it done boysssssssssss
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Dave Keon.
Teeder Kennedy.
"King" Clancy.
 
Lets just go all in, Marner for Toews and Kane both at 50% retention.
IF the Leafs cant win with AM, Toews, JT and Kampf at C, they won't win anything.
 
rocketman588 said:
You wouldn't trade one year of Kane for two years of nylander?
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As long as Chi retains the 50%, it seems like the most logical solution.

AM34 - Kane
JT - MM16

and around $2M cap space.

IMO Nylander's done in Toronto once his contract expires, so he'd need to moved next season anyway
 
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Both Ottawa and Buffalo have very young rosters. Would Simmonds be a welcome addition to either team? I don't want to oversell the idea of 'guiding the kids', but would Giroux and Simmonds or Skinner and Simmonds be useful towards helping the next gen players develop? Not expecting much in return, a 7th(?), but Wayne strikes me as a player who would enjoy working with the up and comers. We get closer to being compliant.
 
Menzinger said:
The price for Kane is essentially already set. It will be the equivalent of two mid to late 1sts and a 2nd.

With the potential substitution of the picks for similarly valued young roster players or prospects.



No. The point of adding a guy for Kane is to add to a stacked core as the final piece for the cup run. Not rearrange the core for a one year rental and ultimately be out the two assets by the offseason when Kane leaves to free agency.

And the Hawks will want futures anyways, not win now assets like Nylander
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But but but we need Kane because our Top 6 didn’t score enough goals in the playoffs!

Meanwhile our bottom 6 was outstanding and the difference in many playoff games, that’s why we didn’t strengthen or improve it, and our D are such a bunch of studs we can’t even afford currently to sign a young LHD D man who factors into our future..

Instead we should keep riding our D corps with Gio, Brodie, and Muzzin, praying that they stay somewhat healthy for the entire season and the cakewalk that the playoffs are, and all-world defender Holl becomes Pronger V2.0 before our very eyes….

Factor in our all-world goaltending, and you have all the pieces in place to go all-in, leaving us with depleted prospects, including a potential top 6 power forward (who cares, we have Malgin!!!) and a top 4 RHD (who cares, we have Holl!!!!).

Who needs skilled young ELC affordable contracts and young talent that can plug in while we try to remain a top tier team…..

…… just so we can sign a 34 year old Kane and watch him walk for nothing as a UFA? Nah, he guarantees us at least a 1st round playoff win amiright????

How can you not be all over this amazing Kawhi like scenario????

This was fun to write! :)
 
The going rate for Kane should be the equivalent of 2 firsts and a second

Sandin-equivalent to a first
2024 first top ten protected
Robertson-equivalent to 2nd

That should get it done without knies or topi
 
Kane would be amazing.
Wish I had more faith in the goaltending. I bought into the, “if Murray fails it’ll be due to health theory…so we can then ltir him and use cash to go get another guy.”
But the assets we need for that move will be greatly diminished by the acquisition cost of getting Kane.
I’d prefer to keep that option open and try to make improvements that won’t be as expensive.
 
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