Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[WTFMAN99]

Andersson would interest me if moving Nylander.

Kerfoot, Nylander, Holl
for
Andersson, Backlund

Leaves space to sign Sandin, and maybe someone like Milano.

3rd. line center role filled nicely with Backlund, Kampf 4th. line center.

Matthews
Tavares
Backlund
Kampf

Now who plays with Tavares on the 2nd. line?

Rielly-Andersson
Muzzin/Sandin-Liljegren
Giordano-TJ Brodie

I proposed on the main board

Nylander, Sandin, Holl

for

Andersson, Dube, Valimaki

If we go for Kane at 50% and could potentially extend them, that offsets the loss of Nylander's offense while solidifying our defense.

As Brodie declines, hopefully Liljegren ascends.


1st, Kerfoot, Valimaki, better of our 2 3rds, Niemela conditional pick, if Toronto makes final 4, we give a 2nd, if Toronto wins a cup, additional 1st for Kane at 50% retained.

 

[andora]

I proposed on the main board

Nylander, Sandin, Holl

for

Andersson, Dube, Valimaki

If we go for Kane at 50% and could potentially extend them, that offsets the loss of Nylander's offense while solidifying our defense.

As Brodie declines, hopefully Liljegren ascends.


1st, Kerfoot, Valimaki, better of our 2 3rds, Niemela conditional pick, if Toronto makes final 4, we give a 2nd, if Toronto wins a cup, additional 1st for Kane at 50% retained.

Boy i would love Dube.. 2nd/3rd line two way winger with bite, can score and can defend. He would be a great partner with tavares

I dont see valimaki as a point of interest in a kane trade, unless someone there really likes him from from a couple years ago.. he has a long way to go to recover his trajectory

 

[WTFMAN99]

Boy i would love Dube.. 2nd/3rd line two way winger with bite, can score and can defend. He would be a great partner with tavares

I dont see valimaki as a point of interest in a kane trade, unless someone there really likes him from from a couple years ago.. he has a long way to go to recover his trajectory

He's someone they're kind of taking a flyer on in the trade. Not a cap hit that is going to impede at all and defenseman take a while to develop.

 

[andora]

He's someone they're kind of taking a flyer on in the trade. Not a cap hit that is going to impede at all and defenseman take a while to develop.

No fair enough..

I would do both

Bunting matthews kane
Dube tavares marner

 

[WTFMAN99]

No fair enough..

I would do both

Bunting matthews kane
Dube tavares marner

To expand further...

Bunting-Matthews-Kane
Dube-JT-Marner
Knies-Jarnkrok-Robertson
Engvall-Kampf-Aubel

Rielly-Andersson
Muzzin-Brodie
Giordano-Liljegren

Murray
Samsonov

We would have 335k cap space, not sure if that's enough to get us a spare roster player in the group at the TDL or we run with no spares until playoffs arrive.

 

[LeafSteel]

How insane of an off-season would it be for Calgary if Treliving could snag Kane?

Not sure why Kane would agree to go there, but Treliving has really become a gunslinger this summer so nothing he pulls off would surprise me at this point.

Wonder if we could shake Weegar out of him as he tries to maneuver.

Again, pie in the sky dreaming but man would that be surreal if Calgary got him after everything they've done already.

 

[Burnie97]

How insane of an off-season would it be for Calgary if Treliving could snag Kane?

Not sure why Kane would agree to go there, but Treliving has really become a gunslinger this summer so nothing he pulls off would surprise me at this point.

Wonder if we could shake Weegar out of him as he tries to maneuver.

Again, pie in the sky dreaming but man would that be surreal if Calgary got him after everything they've done already.

Seems Oilers are in the rumour mill the most for Kane. Although that's why it would be awesome if Calgary snagged him somehow. Doubtful but would be funny.

Leafs obviously are my only team but If I had to go for another team in playoffs etc I'd be cool with Calgary going far. Even more so after they picked up Kadri. GM has done a hell of a job considering what happened. They may even be better now.

I'd love to see them crush Edmonton this year. I think they're better suited this year to do it too. Kadri could frustrate McDavid.

 

[rocketman588]

You obviously misunderstood the post you quoted. The post stated he is out-producing some of the 1st round picks from his draft. It didn't say someone would pay a 1st for him.

You mean the inference that he'd be worth a first because he's outperforming dudes when they get sent down for short stints no I completely understood.

We're once again on the Robertson overhype train ( partially because the knies hype train got derailed a bit)

 

[LeafChief]

You mean the inference that he'd be worth a first because he's outperforming dudes when they get sent down for short stints no I completely understood.

We're once again on the Robertson overhype train ( partially because the knies hype train got derailed a bit)

You seem to be having an argument with yourself.

A poster mentioned that our 2nd round pick is out performing some 1st round picks. You've equated that to a 'hype train'. Continue on with your outrage. The window lickers amuse me.

 

[Sypher04]

I proposed on the main board

Nylander, Sandin, Holl

for

Andersson, Dube, Valimaki

If we go for Kane at 50% and could potentially extend them, that offsets the loss of Nylander's offense while solidifying our defense.

As Brodie declines, hopefully Liljegren ascends.


1st, Kerfoot, Valimaki, better of our 2 3rds, Niemela conditional pick, if Toronto makes final 4, we give a 2nd, if Toronto wins a cup, additional 1st for Kane at 50% retained.

Don’t get me wrong, I know you have to give to get, but 2 1sts (potentially), Kerfoot, Niemela, and a 3rd feels like an overpay for a 34 year old who will be a UFA this time next year. Even if he is Patrick Kane. It’s hard to justify stripping away that degree of futures.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Don’t get me wrong, I know you have to give to get, but 2 1sts (potentially), Kerfoot, Niemela, and a 3rd feels like an overpay for a 34 year old who will be a UFA this time next year. Even if he is Patrick Kane. It’s hard to justify stripping away that degree of futures.

I'd like top keep him around for a couple of years which obviously isn't a guarantee to happen and nothing in the trade language covers it.

If it can be done for less, it's great and honestly, if we gave up 2 1sts because we won the cup...yea I don't even care man, cup!!! woo.

 

[LeafChief]

Don’t get me wrong, I know you have to give to get, but 2 1sts (potentially), Kerfoot, Niemela, and a 3rd feels like an overpay for a 34 year old who will be a UFA this time next year. Even if he is Patrick Kane. It’s hard to justify stripping away that degree of futures.

I agree with you but I also feel like Patrick Kane is a different beast.

If the Leafs were able to pull it off, I'd wonder if they could get him to re-sign for 1-2 years around 5 mill.

 

[LeafSteel]

Seems Oilers are in the rumour mill the most for Kane. Although that's why it would be awesome if Calgary snagged him somehow. Doubtful but would be funny.

Leafs obviously are my only team but If I had to go for another team in playoffs etc I'd be cool with Calgary going far. Even more so after they picked up Kadri. GM has done a hell of a job considering what happened. They may even be better now.

I'd love to see them crush Edmonton this year. I think they're better suited this year to do it too. Kadri could frustrate McDavid.

What a total FU that would send to Edmonton, considering how frequently is rumored that they are interested in him!

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

You mean the inference that he'd be worth a first because he's outperforming dudes when they get sent down for short stints no I completely understood.

We're once again on the Robertson overhype train ( partially because the knies hype train got derailed a bit)

Despite Robertson's derailed development (COVID, injury) he has been out performing his draft position for a few years now. If he were drafted higher in the draft he would be on a lot of teams radars if he isn't already.

It's not a far stretch to consider him to be valued as a 1st round pick with his production right now. He is considered a successful 2nd rounder so far, with NHL potential. Robertson was always hyped over here for awhile now. Knies was taking the spot light for a bit because his game and size was starting to show promise for a men's league. Our prospects were going to play in the WJC so of course Robertson hype was put on the shelf for awhile... Doesn't mean he was slipping and now we're back on him because the US got kicked early.

 

[TMLAM34]

If we acquired Rasmus Andersson, our right side would be set. Andersson, Brodie, and Liljegren with Niemela coming up.

 

[TorMapleJays]

I for one welcome Mr Kane to Toronto, and I wish him success in his future tenure here in Toronto.

 

[namttebih]

If Murray is confirmed terrible by January and the Islanders are well out of a playoff spot at that point. Look at Varly as a rental for a half of a season.

 

[Sypher04]

I agree with you but I also feel like Patrick Kane is a different beast.

If the Leafs were able to pull it off, I'd wonder if they could get him to re-sign for 1-2 years around 5 mill.

I mean, sure, but I can’t see why he’d take less than 7m at the rate he still produces points

 

[WTFMAN99]

I mean, sure, but I can’t see why he’d take less than 7m at the rate he still produces points

He can get $$ still, he may want to take a bit less to go to a more competitive situation than he's had in Chicago the last few years.

 

[Sypher04]

He can get $$ still, he may want to take a bit less to go to a more competitive situation than he's had in Chicago the last few years.

Yeah, I just meant, if he puts up over a point per game again this year, I don’t see him halving his contract. He’s still a damn good player or we wouldn’t all be so interested. Look at Malkin he took a cut down of like 3.4 mil to 6.1 but he also can’t stay healthy to save his life any more.

 

[TMLAM34]

Matthews and Kane together would be filthy.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Yeah, I just meant, if he puts up over a point per game again this year, I don’t see him halving his contract. He’s still a damn good player or we wouldn’t all be so interested. Look at Malkin he took a cut down of like 3.4 mil to 6.1 but he also can’t stay healthy to save his life any more.

Term / $$ get interesting

Giroux contract?

Is there a situation that appeals to him that he'd take less than the max he could get on the market?

He's got $$ and he's got 3 cups...what does he want the most now? Another pay day or cup?

Maybe Toronto could do a 3 year deal at 5M per, taking him to around 37

Or 2 years at 6-6.5M

 

[ULF_55]

Term / $$ get interesting

Giroux contract?

Is there a situation that appeals to him that he'd take less than the max he could get on the market?

He's got $$ and he's got 3 cups...what does he want the most now? Another pay day or cup?

Maybe Toronto could do a 3 year deal at 5M per, taking him to around 37

Or 2 years at 6-6.5M

Time to lock him up is before he hits 35.

Someone could extend him 4 * $8mm if lucky, so ages 35-38.

 

[egd27]

You mean the inference that he'd be worth a first because he's outperforming dudes when they get sent down for short stints no I completely understood.

We're once again on the Robertson overhype train ( partially because the knies hype train got derailed a bit)

I was told in no uncertain terms in the Knies thread that Leaf fans do not overhype their prospects.

 

[Knies iT]

I was told in no uncertain terms in the Knies thread that Leaf fans do not overhype their prospects.

Unless you watch AHL or junior leagues your opinion is meaningless though.