Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[notdoneyet]

To me, all this means is that Matthews, Marner, and Nylander will just ask for more money than they would if the cap were staying flat.

As long as we keep the 3, we will remain cap-strapped.

I'm not advocating getting rid of anyone, just stating a fact. All 3 players will go for the maximum they can get. I don't believe any of them will take anything "team friendly", and I'm not saying it's expected of them to. It would be nice if they did, is all.....

I'm hoping they'd look at what Rielly did in his contract, and recognize how much Dubas capitulated to all 3 of them in their first RFA deals. An extra $1-$1.5m per contract affected Dubas' ability to upgrade the surrounding cast and the D, but I'm not going on the premise any of that will happen this time around.

Of the 3, I think Matthews will be the most straight-forward, Marner will be the biggest d*ck, and Nylander somewhere in between (ease to re-sign, not $$$ amount).

Dont know why you think marner would be the biggest dick when nylander was the biggest dick in the last contract negotiations

 

[Maplebeasts]

Dont know why you think marner would be the biggest dick when nylander was the biggest dick in the last contract negotiations

He sat out sure but he also signed for the best contract. Marner took the worst contract and was leaking to the media.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

He sat out sure but he also signed for the best contract. Marner took the worst contract and was leaking to the media.

Exactly this . He knew Matthews and Marner were gonna get PAID and he didn't want to make a pittance in comparison. 6.9 is a great contract. However I wouldn't expect him to take a haircut . I think the Forsberg contract may be a reasonable template ( 8.5 I think) .

Sign me up for acquiring JT Miller ( or impact RD ) over Kane . Kane is the better player but i like the fit of Miller better . Also could /should come a bit cheaper. But who knows .

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

He sat out sure but he also signed for the best contract. Marner took the worst contract and was leaking to the media.

Marner legitimately wanted the same contract as Matthews. He's definitely a stud but there is levels to the game and Alpha goal scoring 2 way centers are unicorns

 

[andora]

How did the term unicorn get started..

 

[LeafSteel]

Dont know why you think marner would be the biggest dick when nylander was the biggest dick in the last contract negotiations

Nylander didn’t pro-actively solicit other teams for Offer Sheets.

Marner did.

That makes him a d*ck and throws the whole “starry-eyed Toronto kid playing for his hometown team” myth out the window.

 

[Mess]

How did the term unicorn get started..

 

[Mugzy97]

Nylander didn’t pro-actively solicit other teams for Offer Sheets.

Marner did.

That makes him a d*ck and throws the whole “starry-eyed Toronto kid playing for his hometown team” myth out the window.

He’s got an agent who works to make him the most money just like every other player in the league.

 

[Sypher04]

To me, all this means is that Matthews, Marner, and Nylander will just ask for more money than they would if the cap were staying flat.

As long as we keep the 3, we will remain cap-strapped.

I'm not advocating getting rid of anyone, just stating a fact. All 3 players will go for the maximum they can get. I don't believe any of them will take anything "team friendly", and I'm not saying it's expected of them to. It would be nice if they did, is all.....

I'm hoping they'd look at what Rielly did in his contract, and recognize how much Dubas capitulated to all 3 of them in their first RFA deals. An extra $1-$1.5m per contract affected Dubas' ability to upgrade the surrounding cast and the D, but I'm not going on the premise any of that will happen this time around.

Of the 3, I think Matthews will be the most straight-forward, Marner will be the biggest d*ck, and Nylander somewhere in between (ease to re-sign, not $$$ amount).

Actually you’re stating an opinion. And one that is very debatable I might add.

 

[notdoneyet]

Nylander didn’t pro-actively solicit other teams for Offer Sheets.

Marner did.

That makes him a d*ck and throws the whole “starry-eyed Toronto kid playing for his hometown team” myth out the window.

Bullshit. It’s never Ben proven that Marner solicited offer sheets from other teams.
Nylander sat out for three months and then signed for all his money and it cost us 10.2 million on the cap that year for a 27 point season. Don’t pretend nylander did us this great favour. He was never more than a 60 point player when he signed his contract.

Marner deserved what he got compared to Matthews. Marner had more points in the majority of years than Matthews. He got screwed over by old man Lou with his bonuses. He owed the leafs nothing.

 

[meefer]

Exactly this . He knew Matthews and Marner were gonna get PAID and he didn't want to make a pittance in comparison. 6.9 is a great contract. However I wouldn't expect him to take a haircut . I think the Forsberg contract may be a reasonable template ( 8.5 I think) .

Sign me up for acquiring JT Miller ( or impact RD ) over Kane . Kane is the better player but i like the fit of Miller better . Also could /should come a bit cheaper. But who knows .

You at least don't have to pay a retention fee to a second team to acquire Miller.

 

[LeafSteel]

Actually you’re stating an opinion. And one that is very debatable I might add.

You can argue semantics all you want. We will be pressed to the cap no matter what with this team constructed as it is currently structured.

Not sure what the argument is on that, other than an intention to argue.

 

[Sypher04]

You can argue semantics all you want. We will be pressed to the cap no matter what with this team constructed as it is currently structured.

Not sure what the argument is on that, other than an intention to argue.

That’s not exactly what you said. You said as long as this team has Matthews, marner and nylander they will be cash strapped, but that’s not necessarily true.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Bullshit. It’s never Ben proven that Marner solicited offer sheets from other teams.
Nylander sat out for three months and then signed for all his money and it cost us 10.2 million on the cap that year for a 27 point season. Don’t pretend nylander did us this great favour. He was never more than a 60 point player when he signed his contract.

Marner deserved what he got compared to Matthews. Marner had more points in the majority of years than Matthews. He got screwed over by old man Lou with his bonuses. He owed the leafs nothing.

We should really stop arguing what our stars are paid. They all got paid fairly imo.

Since Nylander entered the league, Only 16 players his age or younger have put up more points, and only 4 of them have a lower cap hit (Pasta/Mackinnon(lol)/Larkin/Ehlers). After this year only Ehlers will be paid less.

Since Matthews and Marner entered the league looking at U25 Production they are only behind McDavid with a big gap behind them (Aho is 54 points behind).

Paying our star players isn't a problem. We have great players on a great team.

 

[Uncus13]

Marner is twice the player Willie-Boy has been.
Indicative of society, Willie looks good doing nothing and Marner is a selfish mark who is uber talented and makes everyone else who plays with him better, yet we are debating who you would keep because of the contract situation. OK, let's get rid of the talented player that gives a damn for a player that moves when he decides he wants to.
Marner faces the opps top talent every game, Willie .... no lol. If Marner faced the same opposition every game you could probably tack on another 30 points lol.
Put Dubas and Willie on an iceberg bound for nowhere and let their little love in continue.
It would be very interesting if the leafs get off to a bad start. Let the cannibalism begin

holy crap lolol wasnt paying attention and spell check changed selfish mark to white male lol ???

 

[SprDaVE]

We're 3 weeks away from training camp and we still don't have a trade. Sheesh.

I was reading a theory the Leafs will go into camp over cap and see how things go in terms of injuries and performance... looking more likely by the day.

 

[Burnie97]

We're 3 weeks away from training camp and we still don't have a trade. Sheesh.

I was reading a theory the Leafs will go into camp over cap and see how things go in terms of injuries and performance... looking more likely by the day.

Sure seems that way. Likely an injury or 2 happen during camp/ pre season. Either way they can run with a 20 man roster or so.

 

[SprDaVE]

Sure seems that way. Likely an injury or 2 happen during camp/ pre season. Either way they can run with a 20 man roster or so.

And no Sandin I guess? Seems very... weird. You can typically see the clear guideline and route from Dubas and co... but this off-season seems rather off and bizarre. Maybe that changes soon though and my post is wrong.

And we're not the only team kind of going in the same route.

 

[Dekes For Days]

And no Sandin I guess? Seems very... weird. You can typically see the clear guideline and route from Dubas and co... but this off-season seems rather off and bizarre. Maybe that changes soon though and my post is wrong.

And we're not the only team kind of going in the same route.

My guess is that they have a trade lined up for Holl, but they don't want to trade Holl without Sandin signed, as that would just give him more leverage. And Sandin is being difficult, so we're at a standstill.

 

[SprDaVE]

My guess is that they have a trade lined up for Holl, but they don't want to trade Holl without Sandin signed, as that would just give him more leverage. And Sandin is being difficult, so we're at a standstill.

There's a few different routes they can take. Even dumping Holl for an extended Sandin won't open up enough cap space.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Even dumping Holl for an extended Sandin won't open up enough cap space.

As long as Sandin doesn't make more than Holl, it would be enough for a 20-man roster at least.
I think we're most likely heading towards a 1-year contract for Sandin.

 

[SprDaVE]

As long as Sandin doesn't make more than Holl, it would be enough for a 20-man roster at least.
I think we're most likely heading towards a 1-year contract for Sandin.

I really dislike the 20 man roster idea unless absolutely necessary. It can be painful when things hit the fan. I really don't think it's necessary for the Leafs with a little more foresight.

 

[justashadowof]

I don't like the 20 man roster either. Of course if you have to do it to be cap compliant, you have to do it. Once you've reached the point of a 20 man roster you've stretched yourself to the full extent of your options. It's like cutting down and burning every tree on your property just to stay alive through the winter.

 

[stickty111]

And no Sandin I guess? Seems very... weird. You can typically see the clear guideline and route from Dubas and co... but this off-season seems rather off and bizarre. Maybe that changes soon though and my post is wrong.

And we're not the only team kind of going in the same route.

IDK why but it seems too wierd for something not too happen.
First the whole Murray mess(I'm confident he will be good but talking about the trade).
Somewhat fixing the 4th line with Kubel added but we might still be playing Simmonds/Clifford right now which seems not good. Dubas said he wanted Marlies to compete for jobs but right now that seems tough.
With us connected to Kane too so not sure what the pathway is.

 

[notdoneyet]

Dubas is putting all his eggs in one basket. I’m sure he is thinking look what I have done to build this franchise up and in my last year of my contract no extension. I think dubas like Babcock was, is on a short leash. By December if we aren’t elite then I think he is replaced.

The Murray deal is mind boggling and he is betting his job on it. I really don’t see where we have improved from last year. Time wil tell I suppose.