Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

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At what point do you factor in the pattern emerging from the other side: Nylander, Marner, Sandin. It may not be all Sandin is a particular bad apple. Might be a case of a 22yo caught up in the agents/kids running amok party with team management.

Marner's agent has employed the same tactics with most of his clients, so it is not surprising that he would employ it with by far his most lucrative client in a media market which plays right into his trump card.

Nylander and Sandin should rethink who is representing them though. Nylander had to cave at the last minute after missing 2 months and then sucking for the rest of the season. There is even less of an incentive for him to cave to Sandin.

I don't think Dubas is at the point of wanting to trade or sit Sandin, but I think he would be much more willing than Marner or Nylander. I would hope that Gross knows that... for the sake of his client.

I would also hope that these guys learn that Dubas is not worried about offer sheets... So they should really consider another threat to use against him.
 
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Dubas is putting all his eggs in one basket. I’m sure he is thinking look what I have done to build this franchise up and in my last year of my contract no extension. I think dubas like Babcock was, is on a short leash. By December if we aren’t elite then I think he is replaced.

The Murray deal is mind boggling and he is betting his job on it. I really don’t see where we have improved from last year. Time wil tell I suppose.
The Leafs D is better now than what it was last year. Having a full season of Gio and Lily is better than what the Leafs had to begin the year. Goaltending is a question mark; that being said, this is the best NHL defence both goaltenders have played behind.
 
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Once again, I think it is less about ability and more about willingness.

We are not going to be willing to give Bunting his retirement contract. He is not a core player, and while he has gelled well with the group, he is not a guy worth what he can likely get on the open market... Especially with the kind of prospects we have coming up.

Right now we are in an endless cycle of letting contributors go to free agency, which means we aren't retaining those playoff lessons year to year. We have to keep some of them.
 
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At what point do you factor in the pattern emerging from the other side: Nylander, Marner, Sandin. It may not be all Sandin is a particular bad apple. Might be a case of a 22yo caught up in the agents/kids running amok party with team management.

Lewis Gross definitely has his fingerprints all over the Sandin negotiation, with a fraction of the Nylander leverage. In the future, if you have two similar draft prospects sitting there, maybe the Gross client is the one you think a little harder before drafting.
 
Marner's agent has employed the same tactics with most of his clients, so it is not surprising that he would employ it with by far his most lucrative client in a media market which plays right into his trump card.

Nylander and Sandin should rethink who is representing them though. Nylander had to cave at the last minute after missing 2 months and then sucking for the rest of the season. There is even less of an incentive for him to cave to Sandin.

I don't think Dubas is at the point of wanting to trade or sit Sandin, but I think he would be much more willing than Marner or Nylander. I would hope that Gross knows that... for the sake of his client.

I would also hope that these guys learn that Dubas is not worried about offer sheets... So they should really consider another threat to use against him.
Honestly might be a way to circumvent the cap at this point from Dubas position. A new fresh dman 20 games into the season.
 
Nylander and Sandin should rethink who is representing them though. Nylander had to cave at the last minute after missing 2 months and then sucking for the rest of the season. There is even less of an incentive for him to cave to Sandin.

I don't think Dubas is at the point of wanting to trade or sit Sandin, but I think he would be much more willing than Marner or Nylander. I would hope that Gross knows that... for the sake of his client.

I would also hope that these guys learn that Dubas is not worried about offer sheets... So they should really consider another threat to use against him.

Nylander isn't worried, he's going to be UFA, but Sandin is obviously worried about how players are handled under Keefe or he would have signed already.

Niemela is sitting in a great spot, probably 2 years away when the RD is probably is probably down to 1.
 
Right now we are in an endless cycle of letting contributors go to free agency, which means we aren't retaining those playoff lessons year to year. We have to keep some of them.
We can’t obtain depth players with playoff experience to augment our ELC’s?

Not to mention, if it’s Robertson who replaces him internally, he’s only played three playoff games less than Bunting anyway. Both Robertson and Knies are likely to get playoff games this year too, so they’d have experience as well.
 
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So you believe that Sandin is going to play in Sweden, at a fraction of what he'd get paid here, and risk injury never getting an NHL contract again... ??

I believe there is a transfer agreement in place between NHL and Sweden so he can't go to Sweden. Wouldn't his option be to play in Russia, hold out or sign?
 
I believe there is a transfer agreement in place between NHL and Sweden so he can't go to Sweden. Wouldn't his option be to play in Russia, hold out or sign?

I would guess since he is a free agent he can sign anywhere, even another team in the NHL, although the Leafs could match that and retain him.

He isn't under contract.
 
I would guess since he is a free agent he can sign anywhere, even another team in the NHL, although the Leafs could match that and retain him.

He isn't under contract.

Yeah that's probably correct, Puljujarvi went to Finland but was that with the Oilers blessing?
 
I believe there is a transfer agreement in place between NHL and Sweden so he can't go to Sweden. Wouldn't his option be to play in Russia, hold out or sign?
I don’t know about Sweden. Puljujarvi played in Finland under similar circumstances.

This site suggests that RFA’s can play in Europe.


Vesalainen of the Jets, signed as a RFA in the SHL.

 
They can play in europe

I dont think they can just sign him back during the year though. Their may be something that would allow the leafs to purchase the contract from the swedish club if they agree..
 
I don’t know about Sweden. Puljujarvi played in Finland under similar circumstances.

This site suggests that RFA’s can play in Europe.


Vesalainen of the Jets, signed as a RFA in the SHL.


Yea - I thought about the Puljujarvi thing after the fact...I wonder if there's a consent thing there? Going to SHL seems like cutting off his nose to spite his face.
 
Honestly might be a way to circumvent the cap at this point from Dubas position. A new fresh dman 20 games into the season.

Forget the details from the Nylander negotiation, but doesn’t it cost more and more cap space the later a contract is signed, with a December 1 drop dead date?
 
Forget the details from the Nylander negotiation, but doesn’t it cost more and more cap space the later a contract is signed, with a December 1 drop dead date?
From Cap Friendly.


If an RFA signs after the season starts, how is their cap hit calculated?​

When a restricted free agent signs a contract after the NHL season has already begun, their cap hit for the first year is greater than the contracts annual average, and similarly the cap hit of the remaining years is less than that of the annual average.

A notable aspect of the following calculation is that the sum of the cap hit values is greater than if the contract was signed before season start (and used the normal AAV calculation; monetary value of the contract divided by the total years)

The cap hit of the years after the first year of the contract is calculated first:
Cap hit after the first year = (First year salary × season days remaining / total season days + contract value remaining) / contract years

The first years cap hit is then calculated:
First years cap hit = cap hit after the first year × total season days / season days remaining

Example:
Hampus Lindholm of the Anaheim Ducks signed a $31,500,000 contract on Oct 27, 2016 in the 2016-17 season. There were 164 days remaining in the season on this date. The contract break down was as follows:
2016-17: $3,000,000
2017-18: $6,000,000
2018-19: $6,750,000
2019-20: $5,250,000
2020-21: $3,750,000
2021-22: $6,750,000
Total: $31,500,000
Annual Average: $5,250,000


The cap hit values are calculated as follows:
Cap hit (2017-18 to 2021-2022) = ($3,000,000 × 164 / 180 + $28,500,000) / 6 = $5,205,556
Cap hit (2016-17) = $5,205,556 × 180 / 164 = $5,713,415

The cap hit breakdown is therefore as follows:
2016-17: $5,713,415
2017-18: $5,205,556
2018-19: $5,205,556
2019-20: $5,205,556
2020-21: $5,205,556
2021-22: $5,205,556
Total: $31,741,294
Average: $5,290,216

How is the cap hit calculated for one year contracts signed after the start of the season?​

If a player is signed to a one year contract after the start of the NHL season, that contract is subject to a unique cap hit calculation.

A notable aspect of the calculation is that the cap hit value is increased.

The cap hit is calculated as follows:
Cap hit = Signing bonus × total season days / season days remaining + base salary

Example:
Brogan Rafferty of the Vancouver Canucks signed a one year ELC on April 2, 2019. The contract has a base salary of $832,500, a signing bonus of $92,500, and there were 4 days remaining in the 186 day season:
Cap hit = $92,500 × 186 / 4 + $832,500
Cap hit: $5,133,750
 
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I don’t think it’s in Sandin best interest to hold out or go play in the SHL or the KHL. He’s in his prime age of developing into a NHL dman.

Holding out for this season completely wastes a year of his development and does nothing for him. Look at Nylander for an example, after holding out he was a step behind the entire year and a waste of a year for him.

Learning how to play D in the NHL is probably the hardest thing to do, missing out on games/practices does him absolutely no good because he’s sulking about not wanting to play his offside / there’s too much competition on his strong side.
 
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