Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[ULF_55]

There are 2 months to get compliant.

Don't see how this goes without Kerfoot or larger contract moving out.

Muzzin LTIR to start season.
Giordano LTIR and Muzzin returns.
Muzzin LTIR December.
Giodano LTIR January ...

Playoffs everyone healthy.

 

[GrizzGreen]

At least, for once, there is no customary/obligatory gutting of the Leafs to bring in Chychrun and Crouse, as is usually one of the trade scenarios always presented here..

the Leafs would be better if they were the Coyotes!!!! It makes sens!!!!

 

[Fogelhund]

Another interesting thought...

Allegedly, NYI are trying to move cap, in order to facilitate signing Kadri. There has been some rumours that it's Bailey they are trying to move, but lately I've also seen Pageau rumours.

Would NYI move Pageau, along with Mayfield as a sweetener for taking on that cap? Pageau would make an excellent 3C for us, and of course Mayfield has been discussed quite a bit around these parts. It could fit under that cap, with some room to spare, including signing Rodrigues, and Sandin at $1.8 and nearly a mil to spare.. assuming Muzzin, Kerfoot and Holl are moved out.

The challenge would be the cap long-term though, with having to resign our Bunting and others in the future. Pageau's contract is four years $5 mil), which would make it quite difficult to get a third party to withhold cap... Although if you could get it down to $3.5, that would be fantastic. You could probably give Arizona Kerfoot, and a prospect for taking on some cap..... NYI might need Holl if you take Mayfield, but the cost wouldn't be anything otherwise.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Another interesting thought...

Allegedly, NYI are trying to move cap, in order to facilitate signing Kadri. There has been some rumours that it's Bailey they are trying to move, but lately I've also seen Pageau rumours.

Would NYI move Pageau, along with Mayfield as a sweetener for taking on that cap? Pageau would make an excellent 3C for us, and of course Mayfield has been discussed quite a bit around these parts. It could fit under that cap, with some room to spare, including signing Rodrigues, and Sandin at $1.8 and nearly a mil to spare.. assuming Muzzin, Kerfoot and Holl are moved out.

The challenge would be the cap long-term though, with having to resign our Bunting and others in the future. Pageau's contract is four years $5 mil), which would make it quite difficult to get a third party to withhold cap... Although if you could get it down to $3.5, that would be fantastic. You could probably give Arizona Kerfoot, and a prospect for taking on some cap..... NYI might need Holl if you take Mayfield, but the cost wouldn't be anything otherwise.

I’m calling bullshit on this whole ‘Kadri to NYI has been done for weeks’ narrative.

I won’t say they don’t have an agreement or anything like that but nothing has been signed and there’s still whispers about what he wants.

No team would take Bailey or Beauvillier for a 5th and an AHL guy, really? I’d definitely want to get Beau for a song.

Yes please to Mayfield, but Pageau for 4 more years at five? The Leafs don’t really have an equivalent contract to send back that satisfies the money conditions both teams want.

 

[Havoc]

70pt pace and a Selke so even at that age $5M x 2 all day long I would think. Thornton got $8M x 1 and was not half the play at that age. Bergeron is aging like Selanne. If the Leafs had the cap room and PB was done with the Bruins what would you pay?

Fair enough but the main point is that Bergeron's cap hit no longer qualifies as valid evidence to show what putting winning and loyalty over $$ looks like. Especially if people are going to use Bergeron to take shots at our guys. He's very old now and usually always banged up when it counts.

His cap hit during his prime didn't even surpass 7 mil so by default his cap hit when he's turning 38 will look team friendly if the max he can earn without people scoffing at the cap hit is as high as 5 mil (I don't count Thornton's 8 as precedent, that one falls into anomaly)

 

[Americanadian]

Another interesting thought...

Allegedly, NYI are trying to move cap, in order to facilitate signing Kadri. There has been some rumours that it's Bailey they are trying to move, but lately I've also seen Pageau rumours.

Would NYI move Pageau, along with Mayfield as a sweetener for taking on that cap? Pageau would make an excellent 3C for us, and of course Mayfield has been discussed quite a bit around these parts. It could fit under that cap, with some room to spare, including signing Rodrigues, and Sandin at $1.8 and nearly a mil to spare.. assuming Muzzin, Kerfoot and Holl are moved out.

The challenge would be the cap long-term though, with having to resign our Bunting and others in the future. Pageau's contract is four years $5 mil), which would make it quite difficult to get a third party to withhold cap... Although if you could get it down to $3.5, that would be fantastic. You could probably give Arizona Kerfoot, and a prospect for taking on some cap..... NYI might need Holl if you take Mayfield, but the cost wouldn't be anything otherwise.

Lots of moving parts here. I'd assume the only reason Pageau would be moved from a NYI perspective is because he is decent value for his contract still and NYI would expect to get an asset back rather than Bailey where they would be expected to give up an asset. NYI adding Mayfield and taking back makes even less sense for them as they would take on more cap for a near identical player (expiring 3RD).

I was the captain of team trade Muzzin all season but every single reputable report on the Leafs has said he's not getting moved. Having a full NTC almost guarantees that.

It appears the Leafs are left with moving Kerfoot and Holl as their only cap relief. Kerfoot's market looks to be Winnipeg, Arizona, Anaheim and Chicago. I wouldn't be surprised if he has all of those teams on his 10 team NTC.

 

[Americanadian]

As I just wrote a post saying Kerfoot may have killed him own market I do see a trade of pending UFA's that may make sense.

To VAN: Severson @50%, Kerfoot, Holtz

To NJD: Miller, Holl

To TOR: Bastian, Schenn

This trade would assume Nemec isn't ready to play in the NHL year 1 and NJD would want a replacement 3RD. Vancouver gets a replacement C for Miller, and replacement RD for Schenn while picking up a legitimate top prospect in Holtz. NJD gets exactly the type of player they've been looking for to play with Hughes. Leafs shed 3.8M in cap space and get a capable 3/4RW in Bastian and Schenn to play 3RD. It is unlikely that Kerfoot has Vancouver on his 10 team NTC due to A. he probably doesn't think they can acquire him with their current cap structure, B. Vancouver is home for him.

This trade is probably better as just Severson, Holtz for Miller, Schenn though.

 

[bossram]

The only guy I could see replacing what Kerfoot brings in free agency is Rodrigues. Motte and ZAR are bottom 6 guys, and Stastny is due for a big regression.

He's old, so there's always a risk of decline. But Statsny has still been very consistent, even in his mid-30s. I think he's probably looking for more money than most teams can afford.

If Dubas can clear cap (via moving Kerfoot/Holl), I'd like to see them add any combination of Rodrigues, Milano, Motte, or ZAR.

Motte and ZAR could certainly help the 4th line, and would fit in well on the Engvall/Kampf checking line. Milano is another cheap bet for a top-six wing. ERod is a utility player.

Milano - Matthews - Nylander
Bunting - Tavares - Marner
Engvall - Kampf - ZAR
Motte - Jarnkrok - NAK

 

[WTFMAN99]

If you added ZAR and Motte to the roster...

I'd be pumped.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

He's old, so there's always a risk of decline. But Statsny has still been very consistent, even in his mid-30s. I think he's probably looking for more money than most teams can afford.

If Dubas can clear cap (via moving Kerfoot/Holl), I'd like to see them add any combination of Rodrigues, Milano, Motte, or ZAR.

Motte and ZAR could certainly help the 4th line, and would fit in well on the Engvall/Kampf checking line. Milano is another cheap bet for a top-six wing. ERod is a utility player.

Milano - Matthews - Nylander
Bunting - Tavares - Marner
Engvall - Kampf - ZAR
Motte - Jarnkrok - NAK

I like that lineup, although I think Bunts would just end up back on LW1.

 

[bossram]

I like that lineup, although I think Bunts would just end up back on LW1.

It's more than likely Keefe will continue to run Bunting - Matthews - Marner 100% of the time again.

But if the Leafs really want to be a true contender, they need Tavares performing like a 1C at even-strength. The only time that happened last season was when Matthews was out, and they played JT with Bunting/Marner.

The Tavares/Nylander combination is too weak defensively. They're basically relegated to a sheltered scoring line role. Matthew is a Hart-winning, elite, two-way 1C. Matty + Billy should be a top-10 line in the league regardless of who else is on their wing (and they've had prior chemistry).

Milano actually had a pretty strong season and his passing microstatistics were elite. I hope they sign him, because I think he could be a good fit with Toronto's top-six players.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

It's more than likely Keefe will continue to run Bunting - Matthews - Marner 100% of the time again.

But if the Leafs really want to be a true contender, they need Tavares performing like a 1C at even-strength. The only time that happened last season was when Matthews was out, and they played JT with Bunting/Marner.

The Tavares/Nylander combination is too weak defensively. They're basically relegated to a sheltered scoring line role. Matthew is a Hart-winning, elite, two-way 1C. Matty + Billy should be a top-10 line in the league regardless of who else is on their wing (and they've had prior chemistry).

Milano actually had a pretty strong season and his passing microstatistics were elite. I hope they sign him, because I think he could be a good fit with Toronto's top-six players.

I am wondering if Keefe puts Jarnkrok with JT and Willy.

 

[bossram]

I am wondering if Keefe puts Jarnkrok with JT and Willy.

Not sure how that would help. Jarnkrok isn't as good as Kerfoot.

 

[conFABulator]

It's more than likely Keefe will continue to run Bunting - Matthews - Marner 100% of the time again.

But if the Leafs really want to be a true contender, they need Tavares performing like a 1C at even-strength. The only time that happened last season was when Matthews was out, and they played JT with Bunting/Marner.

The Tavares/Nylander combination is too weak defensively. They're basically relegated to a sheltered scoring line role. Matthew is a Hart-winning, elite, two-way 1C. Matty + Billy should be a top-10 line in the league regardless of who else is on their wing (and they've had prior chemistry).

Milano actually had a pretty strong season and his passing microstatistics were elite. I hope they sign him, because I think he could be a good fit with Toronto's top-six players.

I have been thinking about exactly this too.

I think we need JT and Mitch to be paired up. They have proven chemistry and MM is a playmaker with creativity and strong defensively. Even just having AM and MM on different lines forces the opposition to be concerned about two lines. I would try Robertson (or NAK or Malgin or Engvall or Kerfoot) as the third on that line. Not Bunting.

I think we keep Bunting and AM together, they have chemistry and Bunting is a bit sneaky-creative too and his tenacity might offset WN's lack of it at times. AM is that good that he should be able to develop chemistry and raise the play of any line-mates. If WN / AM doesn't work then maybe it is time to move on from Willy.

Bunting / Matthews / Nylander
Robertson / Tavares / Marner

Engvall / Kampf / Jarnkrok
Kerfoot / Gaudette / NAK
Anderson / Malgin

 

[WTFMAN99]

Bunting-Matthews-Kane
Knies-JT-Marner

Yes guy.

 

[Fogelhund]

Bunting-Matthews-Kane
Knies-JT-Marner

Yes guy.

You'd give up Nylander, for one season of Kane?
WTF MAN?

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

You'd give up Nylander, for one season of Kane?
WTF MAN?

I will be honest, I think I would consider it, personally. Nylander only has 2 years of term left, and I do not think he will re-sign for what we can offer. Imagine if they ate 50%, as well? That gives us 2m to play with.

Tavares-Marner
Matthews-Kane

would be be pretty special, even just for 1 year.

 

[rocketman588]

Isles offered naz 7x7 let's see if it's enough

 

[Americanadian]

Isles offered naz 7x7 let's see if it's enough

Assuming Romanov comes in at or below 3M and Dobson at or below 6M they will only have to move Bailey.

 

[WTFMAN99]

You'd give up Nylander, for one season of Kane?
WTF MAN?

No no, you jumped to conclusions there.

1st, Hirvonen, Niemela, Kerfoot (if here still for $$) for Kane 50% retained

Bunting-Matthews-Kane
Knies-JT-Marner
Robertson-Jarnkrok-88
Engvall-Kampf-Kubel

I'd love to get Kane and even as someone that has pushed for change to the big 4 etc, 88 for Kane doesn't make sense for us.

 

[Fogelhund]

Isles offered naz 7x7 let's see if it's enough

From Frank Servalli

My understanding is [Kadri’s camp] have continued to engage with other teams. For all the reports that Kadri has something locked up with the Islanders, I think that is premature to say. I do think the Islanders have been one of the teams that have been in conversation with Kadri, I think they have put an offer on the table. Other teams have told me they believe [the Islanders offer] is in the $7MM x 7 range for Kadri. At this point obviously it is not signed, and the fact that they continue to talk to other teams tells me at least that they haven’t agreed to terms with the Islanders. May he end up there? It is certainly possible, but they also have to move money there to make it work.

 

[Fogelhund]

No no, you jumped to conclusions there.

1st, Hirvonen, Niemela, Kerfoot (if here still for $$) for Kane 50% retained

Bunting-Matthews-Kane
Knies-JT-Marner
Robertson-Jarnkrok-88
Engvall-Kampf-Kubel

I'd love to get Kane and even as someone that has pushed for change to the big 4 etc, 88 for Kane doesn't make sense for us.

We'd also have to move out Holl and Muzzin to accomplish this, and bring back back a RD, that could replace Muzzin's physical style at around $3.3 mil or less. I don't know if Muzzin would waive, and I'm not sure where we find that D right now. Funny enough Matt Roy fits.. but no idea why LA trades him. I mentioned Brendan Dillon earlier, he's a left handed D, but can play both sides... but at $3.9 that would put us over the cap, unless they withheld $600-700k.. He might be on the market.

 

[WTFMAN99]

We'd also have to move out Holl and Muzzin to accomplish this, and bring back back a RD, that could replace Muzzin's physical style at around $3.3 mil or less. I don't know if Muzzin would waive, and I'm not sure where we find that D right now. Funny enough Matt Roy fits.. but no idea why LA trades him. I mentioned Brendan Dillon earlier, he's a left handed D, but can play both sides... but at $3.9 that would put us over the cap, unless they withheld $600-700k.. He might be on the market.

LAK have Doughty, Roy, Walker, Clarke and Durzi under contract and I think another good prospect that's a right shot. That's a lot of right shots...we'd need to sweeten the pot for Roy.

 

[Havoc]

No no, you jumped to conclusions there.

1st, Hirvonen, Niemela, Kerfoot (if here still for $$) for Kane 50% retained

Bunting-Matthews-Kane
Knies-JT-Marner
Robertson-Jarnkrok-88
Engvall-Kampf-Kubel

I'd love to get Kane and even as someone that has pushed for change to the big 4 etc, 88 for Kane doesn't make sense for us.

I'd sell the farm for one year all In with Kane too. Not even knies is safe if we are talking Kane.

If you can't make noise with Matthews marner Nylander Kane jt.....it's not meant to be. That's not a group you will ever see in your life time again. None of our prospects are worth saving to rob us that once in a billion years experience.

I want my Nylander/marner duo though. I wouldn't have Nylander on line 3.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'd sell the farm for one year all In with Kane too. Not even knies is safe if we are talking Kane.

If you can't make noise with Matthews marner Nylander Kane jt.....it's not meant to be. That's not a group you will ever see in your life time again. None of our prospects are worth saving to rob us that once in a billion years experience.

I want my Nylander/marner duo though. I wouldn't have Nylander on line 3.

Knies is untouchable because you won't get another one in your system for years. I'd overpay in every other sense though, additional prospects or picks.

I wanted to put 88 on line 3 in a similar manner to having the X-factor of Kessel on line 3 for Pittsburgh.

If Knies isn't up for it, you can certainly put 88 up on LW with JT and Marner if need be.

Knies-Jarnkrork-Robertson isn't bad either.