We only have one contract spot as well right?
With us waiting for knies I don't know if the try outs are even worth it
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We only have one contract spot as well right?
With us waiting for knies I don't know if the try outs are even worth it
SprDaVE
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Technically 2 without Sandin right now.
But the Leafs need to move out a body if they want to sign someone mostly due to the cap. So right now there won't be any signings unless that happens.
Moving out a depth contract for futures isn't really hard.
WTFMAN99
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That''s fine but Sandin for Lundkqvist is a losing proposition.
SeaOfBlue
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JT Miller re-signs for 7 years at 8 mill per.
We can finally put those trade rumors to bed. Now we just need Chychrun and Kane to be moved and there will finally be peace.
We can finally put those trade rumors to bed. Now we just need Chychrun and Kane to be moved and there will finally be peace.
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SeaOfBlue
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Pass. Nothing against Hoglander, but we have more than enough young wingers.
I feel like any opportunity you have for Hoglander should go to Robertson.
Stephen
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Don't think we ought to be trading Dmen for wingers.
Fogelhund
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Good AAV for Vancouver up front. Amusing after all this time, and trade talk that they kept him. In the end, they valued him more than any team would pay for him, so they did the right thing and extended him.
supermann_98
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Hoglander is one Canuck I actually really like, even tho he stagnated and suffered a sophomore slump and then had to shut it down with for groin surger. He's a serious pest to play against.
I would do that trade but I'm admittedly not a huge fan of Sandin or his the upside, not without adding another gear to his top speed, which he hasn't shown the ability to do (or is it work ethic? I dunno)
Hoglander would give us another pest on the LW in a top 9 role, and he's still very young with some offensive upside.
Would be good to have the LW depth also as I can't see how we afford Bunting after next season
BertCorbeau
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Pretty sure that culture change happened with the hiring of Boudreau. That seemed like the TSN turning point for the Canucks. Also, this deal is going to age terribly.
This is not on you but just in general, when comments like this deal is going to age terribly… all that team needs to do is Win the Cup and who cares.
If the Flames win the Cup this season or in two years, I doubt their MGT or fans would care about the last few years of Kadri and Hubie contracts.
Same with the Nucks, if they win the next few seasons, who cares about the 5th-7th years in Miller’s deal.
Same about the Leafs, if Leafs win this season or next, who cares about the last few years of JT, Muzzin and TJ deals.
Maybe By having deals like that the MGT will actually makes the window of contending shorter and take more risks to go full in while players are in their prime instead of half way measures or keep thinking, as long as I can keep the core intact, there is always next season.
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I don't know man...
Even with Tavares, everyone was like "Age 28-31 will be fine. 32 and 33 will be a little rough. And 34.... yikes."
Miller's contract STARTS at 31. Mega yikes.
TML Dynasty
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With aging Muzzin and Gio I don’t see any reason to trade Sandin. We’ll need him soon.
The path is there, maybe sooner with injuries etc. I also hope they’ve offered up the 3LD position and explore Gio on the right to mentor him. 3LD this year with great partner. Injury promotion. Wtf just sign. Hate these stupid agent games - he’s got no damn leverage.
(Grouchy due hangover)
The path is there, maybe sooner with injuries etc. I also hope they’ve offered up the 3LD position and explore Gio on the right to mentor him. 3LD this year with great partner. Injury promotion. Wtf just sign. Hate these stupid agent games - he’s got no damn leverage.
(Grouchy due hangover)
If Nucks win the Cup within the next 3 years, who cares if Miller plays like crap when he hits 35-37
Canucks are extremely unlikely to win the cup within the next 3 years, and they should care about the years after as well, even if they do.
ACC1224
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Seems like that caveat is added to every deal that takes a player into their mid 30's yet those deals are constantly signed all over the league.
I get that once the playoffs start anything can happen, but this move severely limits their chances of improving the team beyond this season. Just the same as the Leafs with the JT and, to a lesser extent, Muzzin deals. Regardless of what they do in the playoffs, this contract will age terribly. Sure if they win the cup (and that’s a very low possibility), it may be tolerable a bit more, but what team is satisfied with one cup win? I would hope GM’s are looking to build a long term competitive team.
I think every teams that have not win a Cup over the past 10 years will be satisfy with ONE Cup win, esp one that never won(Nucks).
I think people(MGT) constantly look at this contract will age bad bc he can’t keep this up in his late 30s….but you have to also look at the real competitive timeline of the current team. If the first few years align with the competitive window, it worths the risk.
You can’t always look at 5 yrs down the line without looking at present.
Hoglander, although small but he goes to the dirty area and got a good snap in his shot. He is pretty much what I wish Robertson can do in the NHL.
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And there's always the Coyotes.
If the big bumps happen in 2-3 years then Kadri's / Miller's deals will just be bad, not crippling.
It's possible they are still good players then as well.
And with 67 assists, he just needs the scorers to keep scoring.
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I don't think the contracts the Leafs handed out to the UFA Ontario boys (Tavares, Muzzin, Brodie) have aged that poorly. Tavares is still a #1 level center, he just gets less time with Marner. I wouldn't be surprised at all if you put Marner with JT or upgraded his linemates on line #2 that he could push to break his point record of 88. Muzzin and Brodie are decent #2 or #3 defenseman, Brodie has found a home on the top pair next to Mo and Muzzin runs the second pairing in a shutdown role.
They definitely didn't take much of pay cut to play here. But, they have been important players and leaned on heavily and are a big reason why the Leafs don't miss the playoffs anymore. They are a nice secondary group of talent that has insulated our home grown big guns (Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly).
None of them have poor term and they have survived several seasons of playing at a high level.
They definitely didn't take much of pay cut to play here. But, they have been important players and leaned on heavily and are a big reason why the Leafs don't miss the playoffs anymore. They are a nice secondary group of talent that has insulated our home grown big guns (Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly).
None of them have poor term and they have survived several seasons of playing at a high level.
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It's amazing what you will do if you either are trying to save your job or won't be around to clean up the mess afterwards
Let's be honest, the league has cut the amount of years you can sign a player for to save GM's from themselves
Not all those deals turn bad so it's justifiable but it scares the crap out of me because of the "Marleau" experience
Stephen
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Hoglander seems like the kind of prospect Bergmann and (formerly Vuori) should be giving us outside of the first rounds on a semi regular basis.
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