Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

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If you move Kerfoot, can you sign Rodriques + Milano?

Kerfoot (3.5) + Clifford (762k) + Anderson (750k) for Milano (1-1.25)+Rodriques (2.25-2.5) brings you to 13F and saves 1.262-1.762m against the cap.

Bunting - Matthews - Nyalnder
Milano - Tavares - Marner
Engval - Rodriques - Jarnk
Abruz/Simmonds - Kampf - Aube-Kuebl

You have a much deeper third line that can actually score. More balanced scoring, and a 4th line you arent terrified of throwing out against most teams 2-4th.
 
If you move Kerfoot, can you sign Rodriques + Milano?

Kerfoot (3.5) + Clifford (762k) + Anderson (750k) for Milano (1-1.25)+Rodriques (2.25-2.5) brings you to 13F and saves 1.262-1.762m against the cap.

Bunting - Matthews - Nyalnder
Milano - Tavares - Marner
Engval - Rodriques - Jarnk
Abruz/Simmonds - Kampf - Aube-Kuebl

You have a much deeper third line that can actually score. More balanced scoring, and a 4th line you arent terrified of throwing out against most teams 2-4th.
I'd take Kerfoot + Robertson over Rodrigues + Milano
 
If you move Kerfoot, can you sign Rodriques + Milano?

Kerfoot (3.5) + Clifford (762k) + Anderson (750k) for Milano (1-1.25)+Rodriques (2.25-2.5) brings you to 13F and saves 1.262-1.762m against the cap.

Bunting - Matthews - Nyalnder
Milano - Tavares - Marner
Engval - Rodriques - Jarnk
Abruz/Simmonds - Kampf - Aube-Kuebl

You have a much deeper third line that can actually score. More balanced scoring, and a 4th line you arent terrified of throwing out against most teams 2-4th.
I don't think Rodrigues gets that much money this late in the off-season. I would rather sign him at say $1.5M and ZAR at the same.

Bunting / Matthews/ Nylander
Robertson / Tavares / Marner
Engvall / Kampf / Jarnkrok
ZAR / Rodrigues / NAK

Anderson / Gaudette / Malgin
Simmonds / Steeves / Clifford
 
Would be nice to clear some contract slots out before camp and pick up some of the depth still out there.

Simmonds/Clifford/Dahlstrom to a team for future considerations would give us 5 contract slots without moving Kerfoot or Holl.

Try to bring in Subban/Stone at RD for depth and then take a shot at Rodriques/ZAR//Milano.
 
Would be nice to clear some contract slots out before camp and pick up some of the depth still out there.

Simmonds/Clifford/Dahlstrom to a team for future considerations would give us 5 contract slots without moving Kerfoot or Holl.

Try to bring in Subban/Stone at RD for depth and then take a shot at Rodriques/ZAR//Milano.

We need Dahlstrom, and we should probably keep Clifford as the new Clune too.

Simmonds can go for a conditional 7th or something. We don't need him, but the Marlies can find room for him if we don't want to trade him.
 
We need Dahlstrom, and we should probably keep Clifford as the new Clune too.

Simmonds can go for a conditional 7th or something. We don't need him, but the Marlies can find room for him if we don't want to trade him.
With Benn/Sandin/Mete
We need Dahlstrom, and we should probably keep Clifford as the new Clune too.

Simmonds can go for a conditional 7th or something. We don't need him, but the Marlies can find room for him if we don't want to trade him.
Don't we only need Dahlstrom assuming Benn/Mete get claimed on waivers and Sandin doesn't sign?

The Marlies could use him sure, but Moore's teams don't play any kind of defense whatsoever and I'd prefer to not use contract slots on guys that will only play with the Marlies (non-prospects) when we've shown we can get decent AHL contract options.
 
With Benn/Sandin/Mete

Don't we only need Dahlstrom assuming Benn/Mete get claimed on waivers and Sandin doesn't sign?

The Marlies could use him sure, but Moore's teams don't play any kind of defense whatsoever and I'd prefer to not use contract slots on guys that will only play with the Marlies (non-prospects) when we've shown we can get decent AHL contract options.

Mete and Benn are almost certainly playing RD most of the time. If we are going in with Hollowell as our best RD with Rindell and Villeneuve as the best guys behind him, we deserve to get caved. Villeneuve ideally is not part of the top 3 RD, and Rindell is barely good enough to be in the AHL at all based on his Liiga performance so we should be happy if he can even be the 8/9 guy effectively.

That leaves Dahlstrom, Kral, and presumably Kokkonen as the main LD. One of the AHL contracts will likely be an extra LD, but they may prefer using Mete or Benn at LD and bringing in Villeneuve/Rindell when we need to rotate one of the main guys out.

It is less about the Leafs and more about the Marlies... and really, he (and Kral) may even pass Benn on the depth chart. Benn looks done as an NHLer.
 
I'd take Kerfoot + Robertson over Rodrigues + Milano
Why not move Kerfoot for Rodrigues and Milano, and demote Engval to the 4th line?

Bunting - Matthews - Nyalnder
Milano - Tavares - Marner
Robertson - Rodriques - Jarnk
Engval - Kampf - Aube-Kuebl

Robertson for Simmonds save a bit of cash as well.

Kerfoot to me is a good way to move someone who you likely cant sign longer term, for a decent pick.
A pick you will likely flip at the deadline for help.
 
We need Dahlstrom, and we should probably keep Clifford as the new Clune too.

Simmonds can go for a conditional 7th or something. We don't need him, but the Marlies can find room for him if we don't want to trade him.
The Leafs definately need someone to defend themselves physically. Aube-Kubel is nice in addition to Simmonds, but he couldn't do his job.
 
The Leafs definately need someone to defend themselves physically. Aube-Kubel is nice in addition to Simmonds, but he couldn't do his job.

Simmonds doesn't have a role with this team anymore.

He wasn't defending anyone. He barely keeps up to hit people anymore, and he spent much of last year fighting inconsequential players. We don't need a guy who fights guys like Maroon, Sabourin, and Johnston... and the guys who may hit our good players are not going to fight Simmonds.

We are a better team without Clifford and Simmonds in the lineup.
 
You need to find Simmonds types guys when they're young and full of piss and vinegar, not when they've put on all the hard miles. A 4th line banger that can give you a physical presence and 10 goals is pretty good but Simmonds isn't that guy.

That aside, I saw Brannstrom sign for a year at 900k, I figure a 1yr 975k-1M deal is in the future for Sandin with us.
 
Goin for broke!

Toronto - Kane (Twice retained) + Chychrun
Chicago - Nylander + Half of Kane cap
Arizona - Muzzin (to flip) + Knies + 2nd + 4th (cond. Toronrto) + % of Kane

Bunting-Matthews-Kane
XXXX-Tavares-Marner (Fight in camp for LW)
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Robertson-Kerfoot-Jarnkrok
Engvall-Kampf-AbeKubel
Simmonds/Clifford-Gaudette-Anderson

Reilly-Brodie
Sandin-Chychrun
Giordano-Liljgren
Holl

Murray
Samsonov
 
Goin for broke!

Toronto - Kane (Twice retained) + Chychrun
Chicago - Nylander + Half of Kane cap
Arizona - Muzzin (to flip) + Knies + 2nd + 4th (cond. Toronrto) + % of Kane

Bunting-Matthews-Kane
XXXX-Tavares-Marner (Fight in camp for LW)
----
Robertson-Kerfoot-Jarnkrok
Engvall-Kampf-AbeKubel
Simmonds/Clifford-Gaudette-Anderson

Reilly-Brodie
Sandin-Chychrun
Giordano-Liljgren
Holl

Murray
Samsonov

We get Kane AND Chychrun and don't have to give up a 1st rounder. I'm sold!

Need to get you in the negotiating room.
 
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Goin for broke!

Toronto - Kane (Twice retained) + Chychrun
Chicago - Nylander + Half of Kane cap
Arizona - Muzzin (to flip) + Knies + 2nd + 4th (cond. Toronrto) + % of Kane

Bunting-Matthews-Kane
XXXX-Tavares-Marner (Fight in camp for LW)
----
Robertson-Kerfoot-Jarnkrok
Engvall-Kampf-AbeKubel
Simmonds/Clifford-Gaudette-Anderson

Reilly-Brodie
Sandin-Chychrun
Giordano-Liljgren
Holl

Murray
Samsonov
I would think Chicago would want much more than that as a return.
 

Goin for broke!

Toronto - Kane (Twice retained) + Chychrun
Chicago - Nylander + Half of Kane cap
Arizona - Muzzin (to flip) + Knies + 2nd + 4th (cond. Toronrto) + % of Kane

Bunting-Matthews-Kane
XXXX-Tavares-Marner (Fight in camp for LW)
----
Robertson-Kerfoot-Jarnkrok
Engvall-Kampf-AbeKubel
Simmonds/Clifford-Gaudette-Anderson

Reilly-Brodie
Sandin-Chychrun
Giordano-Liljgren
Holl

Murray
Samsonov

Aside from having a hole on LW on line 2, the remaining 3 lines below that with the exceptions of Engvall, Kerfoot and Kampf are among the worst in hockey. I wouldn't give up Nylander, Muzzin, Knies and picks for that.
 
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Simmonds doesn't have a role with this team anymore.

He wasn't defending anyone. He barely keeps up to hit people anymore, and he spent much of last year fighting inconsequential players. We don't need a guy who fights guys like Maroon, Sabourin, and Johnston... and the guys who may hit our good players are not going to fight Simmonds.

We are a better team without Clifford and Simmonds in the lineup.
I thought they were pretty good with Simmonds and Clifford in the lineup and the start of the series was pretty exciting because of it. They were just calling penalties at a higher rate than anywhere else in the league for our series, so they had to tone down the physicality to avoid the referees taking over the game.

They didn't really go out and replace Simmonds in the off-season. They already had two borderline enforcers and likely couldn't find an upgrade. So, I'm not sure he's going to lose his spot when he has a defined role as the enforcer on a soft team for the likes of Adam Gaudette or Joey Anderson. I just can't see them dressing a roster that physically weak for players that are so unimportant to their success.

They were making progress after the Clifford and Lyubushkin trades and were becoming a lot harder to play against physically. They've already taken a step back that way in terms of personnel, I doubt they cut Simmonds and make it even more obvious of a weakness. Dubas may not enjoy body contact, but it's a part of hockey.

Simmonds last year scored 16 points in 72 games for a ppg of .22, Anderson has a career total of 13 points in 58 games for a career ppg of .22 and Gaudette scored 12 points in 50 games for a ppg of .24. When you take into consideration that Simmonds led the team in hits and fighting majors, while being 2nd behind Clifford in hits/60, I'm not sure your eye test matches the numbers on this topic.

On another note it's not really fair to the fans to dress the softest roster in the league year in and year out. The vast majority of teams carry some type enforcer and have toughness spread across the lineup.
 
Friedman says he thinks Rodrigues' contract will get sorted out this week and that Calgary + two other Canadian teams are in on him.
 
I thought they were pretty good with Simmonds and Clifford in the lineup and the start of the series was pretty exciting because of it. They were just calling penalties at a higher rate than anywhere else in the league for our series, so they had to tone down the physicality to avoid the referees taking over the game.

They didn't really go out and replace Simmonds in the off-season. They already had two borderline enforcers and likely couldn't find an upgrade. So, I'm not sure he's going to lose his spot when he has a defined role as the enforcer on a soft team for the likes of Adam Gaudette or Joey Anderson. I just can't see them dressing a roster that physically weak for players that are so unimportant to their success.

They were making progress after the Clifford and Lyubushkin trades and were becoming a lot harder to play against physically. They've already taken a step back that way in terms of personnel, I doubt they cut Simmonds and make it even more obvious of a weakness. Dubas may not enjoy body contact, but it's a part of hockey.

Simmonds last year scored 16 points in 72 games for a ppg of .22, Anderson has a career total of 13 points in 58 games for a career ppg of .22 and Gaudette scored 12 points in 50 games for a ppg of .24. When you take into consideration that Simmonds led the team in hits and fighting majors, while being 2nd behind Clifford in hits/60, I'm not sure your eye test matches the numbers on this topic.

On another note it's not really fair to the fans to dress the softest roster in the league year in and year out. The vast majority of teams carry some type enforcer and have toughness spread across the lineup.

Clifford literally played 49 seconds in our last playoff run and the only thing he did was take a 5 minute major penalty which could have easily defined our series from the start. Our team was objectively worse with him in the lineup, which is why we never used him again after that.

Simmonds too was crap, and all he did was run around banging their 4th line guys and fired them up. Tampa's 4th line was better when they went up against Simmonds... Probably because he engaged them and also because he is a bad player and is much easier to play against. They were complete non-factors when Maroon had nobody to jaw at, and our 4th line was consistently outplaying them.

This team has no time or need for a defined enforcer role. He doesn't make us tougher, and he certainly does not make us a better team. Him fighting the other team's enforcer and spending the rest of the game on the bench jawing at another team's scrub player is not helping us win. And any intangible aspect of having him bring "energy" to the group is washed away by the fact that we have to play our top 3 lines that much more because he made the 4th line practically unplayable and excludes the fact that he can't even keep up well enough to line anyone up very often anymore. So unless he finds someone willing to fight him (not many people want to anymore, and for a good reason) or he somehow can catch up enough to hit someone, then he is not even bringing energy. He spent much of the latter part of the year skating around and looking like he was pretty much ready to retire.

Finally, good teams don't use enforcers anymore because they are bad hockey players which hamper their team's ability to run a deep lineup. Islanders have Martin and Johnston. Ryan Reaves was one for a while, but he was actually a decent hockey player when he was in Vegas. Same with Maroon in Tampa. All of them are in their mid-30's, except Johnston, and are on the verge of retiring. Ross Johnston should not have an NHL career and barely plays anyways. Pezzetta in Montreal may be another one, but we will see where his career goes. The enforcer role died a decade ago, and if somehow Dubas has not realized/figured that out by now, then he is an idiot. Fortunately, I don't think Dubas is an idiot. If Simmonds is in our lineup, it is not a hockey decision. It is another Thornton-like "we need an older veteran in the room" decision which, other than Spezza (who was actually a good player until the day he retired), has not worked out for us.

I wouldn't use Gaudette. I don't think he plays a role with this team besides a AAAA call up. But I would certainly use Joey Anderson over Simmonds any day of the week. He is actually (still) good at hockey, at both ends of the ice, and he brings the kind of useful energy and toughness that good teams put throughout their lineup. The kind of guy that helps teams win games. Maybe he hasn't put up much production yet, but at 24, he is more likely to provide more production this year than a 34 year old who looks ready to retire.
 
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If you move Kerfoot, can you sign Rodriques + Milano?

Kerfoot (3.5) + Clifford (762k) + Anderson (750k) for Milano (1-1.25)+Rodriques (2.25-2.5) brings you to 13F and saves 1.262-1.762m against the cap.

Bunting - Matthews - Nyalnder
Milano - Tavares - Marner
Engval - Rodriques - Jarnk
Abruz/Simmonds - Kampf - Aube-Kuebl

You have a much deeper third line that can actually score. More balanced scoring, and a 4th line you arent terrified of throwing out against most teams 2-4th.

I'm not a huge Kerfoot fan, but he's very smart, a known quantity, versatile and a 50 point scorer. He just seems like more of a sure bet than Milano and Rodrigues. One sure bet and one rookie, vs two question marks.

I don't mind bringing in Milano or Rodrigues some other way though.
 
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Clifford literally played 49 seconds in our last playoff run and the only thing he did was take a 5 minute major penalty which could have easily defined our series from the start. Our team was objectively worse with him in the lineup, which is why we never used him again after that.

Simmonds too was crap, and all he did was run around banging their 4th line guys and fired them up. Tampa's 4th line was better when they went up against Simmonds... Probably because he engaged them and also because he is a bad player and is much easier to play against. They were complete non-factors when Maroon had nobody to jaw at, and our 4th line was consistently outplaying them.

This team has no time or need for a defined enforcer role. He doesn't make us tougher, and he certainly does not make us a better team. Him fighting the other team's enforcer and spending the rest of the game on the bench jawing at another team's scrub player is not helping us win. And any intangible aspect of having him bring "energy" to the group is washed away by the fact that we have to play our top 3 lines that much more because he made the 4th line practically unplayable and excludes the fact that he can't even keep up well enough to line anyone up very often anymore. So unless he finds someone willing to fight him (not many people want to anymore, and for a good reason) or he somehow can catch up enough to hit someone, then he is not even bringing energy. He spent much of the latter part of the year skating around and looking like he was pretty much ready to retire.

Finally, good teams don't use enforcers anymore because they are bad hockey players which hamper their team's ability to run a deep lineup. Islanders have Martin and Johnston. Ryan Reaves was one for a while, but he was actually a decent hockey player when he was in Vegas. Same with Maroon in Tampa. All of them are in their mid-30's, except Johnston, and are on the verge of retiring. Ross Johnston should not have an NHL career and barely plays anyways. Pezzetta in Montreal may be another one, but we will see where his career goes. The enforcer role died a decade ago, and if somehow Dubas has not realized/figured that out by now, then he is an idiot. Fortunately, I don't think Dubas is an idiot. If Simmonds is in our lineup, it is not a hockey decision. It is another Thornton-like "we need an older veteran in the room" decision which, other than Spezza (who was actually a good player until the day he retired), has not worked out for us.

I wouldn't use Gaudette. I don't think he plays a role with this team besides a AAAA call up. But I would certainly use Joey Anderson over Simmonds any day of the week. He is actually (still) good at hockey, at both ends of the ice, and he brings the kind of useful energy and toughness that good teams put throughout their lineup. The kind of guy that helps teams win games. Maybe he hasn't put up much production yet, but at 24, he is more likely to provide more production this year than a 34 year old who looks ready to retire.

I wouldn't call Simmonds or Clifford enforcers though. They're like big body muckers pretending to be tougher than they are. For the big body mucker role, I think you need younger, more energetic athletes.
 
I wouldn't call Simmonds or Clifford enforcers though. They're like big body muckers pretending to be tougher than they are. For the big body mucker role, I think you need younger, more energetic athletes.


Really used to like Simmonds like 10 years ago. It was kind of like when we got Lindros. The name was there, but the player was not

Simmonds time was 2 years ago. He has done nothing but take a roaster spot. We need a player who can hit and drop the gloves once in a while if needed. Who can also skate.

If it wasn't for a bad contract, Josh Anderson would have been my first go to or Boone Jenner
 
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