Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Goin for broke!

Toronto - Kane (Twice retained) + Chychrun
Chicago - Nylander + Half of Kane cap
Arizona - Muzzin (to flip) + Knies + 2nd + 4th (cond. Toronrto) + % of Kane

Bunting-Matthews-Kane
XXXX-Tavares-Marner (Fight in camp for LW)
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Robertson-Kerfoot-Jarnkrok
Engvall-Kampf-AbeKubel
Simmonds/Clifford-Gaudette-Anderson

Reilly-Brodie
Sandin-Chychrun
Giordano-Liljgren
Holl

Murray
Samsonov

2 years of Nylander plus Muzzin/Knies/Picks for a 20 point upgrade at RW?

Much better off just unloading Muzzin and Kerfoot to upgrade that 2nd LW spot.

If you're adding Kane it's double retained and it's to add to the big 4, not subtract from it.

 

[Stephen]

Really used to like Simmonds like 10 years ago. It was kind of like when we got Lindros. The name was there, but the player was not

Simmonds time was 2 years ago. He has done nothing but take a roaster spot. We need a player who can hit and drop the gloves once in a while if needed. Who can also skate.

If it wasn't for a bad contract, Josh Anderson would have been my first go to or Boone Jenner

Kind of crazy to think Simmonds isn't even that old. He's been lumped in there guys like Joe Thornton and Jason Spezza when we got him but he's only 34 now, which is 2 years older than T.J. Brodie.

 

[LeafEgo]

Kind of crazy to think Simmonds isn't even that old. He's been lumped in there guys like Joe Thornton and Jason Spezza when we got him but he's only 34 now, which is 2 years older than T.J. Brodie.

Simmer will have had a touch more wear and tear over the years than Brodie.

I've been rooting for Simmer every year but he doesn't have the hands or hitting anymore unfortunately. One tough dude that strikes fear in opponents at 180.

He probably still makes a decent 14th to play against a team like the Jets or Caps once in a while but we don't really have the flexibility for that.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Kind of crazy to think Simmonds isn't even that old. He's been lumped in there guys like Joe Thornton and Jason Spezza when we got him but he's only 34 now, which is 2 years older than T.J. Brodie.

Simmer will have had a touch more wear and tear over the years than Brodie.

I've been rooting for Simmer every year but he doesn't have the hands or hitting anymore unfortunately. One tough dude that strikes fear in opponents at 180.

He probably still makes a decent 14th to play against a team like the Jets or Caps once in a while but we don't really have the flexibility for that.

Yea, Brodie is gonna age really well.

Simmonds put on those miles the hard way.

 

[meefer]

To Calgary: Nylander and Holl (8.96 M out)
To Toronto: Toffoli and Weegar (7.5 M in)

I don't know if Sutter would want to have to deal with the inconsistency of Nylander, but if there's a coach out there that could round out William's game...Willie with Lias Lindholm would be nice. Holl is an easy fit behind Andersson and Tanev. Do we wish to take the hit offensively to see Weegar play with Morgan? He would have to be re-signed after this year, but with Jake's full protection gone, it should be possible.

Rielly Weegar
Muzzin/Gio Brodie
Sandin Liljegren

is a tempting D group.

 

[Stephen]

Yea, Brodie is gonna age really well.

Simmonds put on those miles the hard way.

All true. If you look at Simmonds he's actually built more wiry and lean than a classic big bruiser, so he's definitely putting the mileage on faster than even other power forward types without the padding either. Great warrior, hope we see him from time to time but he's probably too broken down to go the full 82 and a playoff run.

 

[jaric1862]

Friedman says he thinks Rodrigues' contract will get sorted out this week and that Calgary + two other Canadian teams are in on him.

Easy to connect the dots. Ottawa and Winnipeg both have cap space and need forwards.

 

[Menzinger]

2 years of Nylander plus Muzzin/Knies/Picks for a 20 point upgrade at RW?

Much better off just unloading Muzzin and Kerfoot to upgrade that 2nd LW spot.

If you're adding Kane it's double retained and it's to add to the big 4, not subtract from it.

Yep. The only way adding a guy like Kane makes sense is to go all in with the current roster. Which would mean a pure futures centric trade from the Leafs.

Not to mention Chicago would want futures anyways, they're starting a rebuild. Kane will get around the usual 1st + good prospect + 2nd/decent young player package that these guys always get.

 

[fahad203]

Yea, Brodie is gonna age really well.

Simmonds put on those miles the hard way.

I actually have Brodie as a candidate for a massive decline.

 

[justashadowof]

A few seasons back Rodrigues had a chance to be our Bunting-type bargain with the opportunity to build up his market value and declined that opportunity. He chose to return to Pittsburgh. He had his build-up-your-value season last year. Even as the summer is waning, he's looking to get the most lucrative contract of his professional career.

 

[justashadowof]

A 34 year old Patrick Kane isn't all that much better than this current version of William Nylander. Why bother? We'll be the exact same type of team after this trade that we were before the trade.

 

[Fogelhund]

A few seasons back Rodrigues had a chance to be our Bunting-type bargain with the opportunity to build up his market value and declined that opportunity. He chose to return to Pittsburgh. He had his build-up-your-value season last year. Even as the summer is waning, he's looking to get the most lucrative contract of his professional career.

Looks to for sure. Sitting without a contract in September suggests few (no) teams are interested in his current ask.

I actually have Brodie as a candidate for a massive decline.

Based on???

A 34 year old Patrick Kane isn't all that much better than this current version of William Nylander. Why bother? We'll be the exact same type of team after this trade that we were before the trade.

An all in, one and done trade isn’t of interest to me. I don’t see why we give up our future, for just one attempt at this. Stay the course and grow over time. I understand many other fans lack patience, but it’s crucial to build a team that can compete over many years.

 

[LeafChief]

I actually have Brodie as a candidate for a massive decline.

That is some fascinating analysis.

 

[fahad203]

That is some fascinating analysis.

I made no analysis. Just making my point and comment
It's cute you are able to make nice little comebacks. We get it, you are the funny

 

[fahad203]

Looks to for sure. Sitting without a contract in September suggests few (no) teams are interested in his current ask.


Based on???


An all in, one and done trade isn’t of interest to me. I don’t see why we give up our future, for just one attempt at this. Stay the course and grow over time. I understand many other fans lack patience, but it’s crucial to build a team that can compete over many years.

Based on.

Last year stretches he looked really bad. In fact some plays he looked really lost, especially along the boards

The game is just getting faster every year but players like Brodie and Tavares are not.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Based on.

Last year stretches he looked really bad. In fact some plays he looked really lost, especially along the boards

The game is just getting faster every year but players like Brodie and Tavares are not.

Isn't Tavares working on getting faster this offseason.

 

[613Leafer]

A 34 year old Patrick Kane isn't all that much better than this current version of William Nylander. Why bother? We'll be the exact same type of team after this trade that we were before the trade.

People love to overpay for past performance. Just go back and look at how ecstactic people were when we traded for Foligno, even though at the time he was just a 3rd line player pending UFA and we traded a 1st + two 4ths for him.

Patrick Kane to be fair is still coming off a 92 point season and assuming only a marginal decline this year from him, should still be distinctly better than Nylander. In saying that, I wouldn't trade two years of Nylander (+ potentially signing him long-term or otherwise trading him for a longer term asset) for one year of Patrick Kane.

 

[Gabriel426]

If we are going for Kane, it will be Kerfoot and picks, prospects for him and not one of our core guys. What’s the point of getting Kane to replace one of our top guys, that’s a lateral move at best.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

The "money ball" mentality makes sense on its face. But some/most times...it's just as important to pickup the "right players" for your team, rather than looking at numbers.

Do i think Kane/Chychrun are the "right players"? I dont know.
Do i think this current Leaf team has struggled to take the next step, with the current roster? Aaayup.

i will take a loss on a trade (on paper), if it means our lineup is complete and playing to their ability. (I don't think the one I posted is a loss either)

2 years of Nylander plus Muzzin/Knies/Picks for a 20 point upgrade at RW?

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Looks to for sure. Sitting without a contract in September suggests few (no) teams are interested in his current ask.


Based on???


An all in, one and done trade isn’t of interest to me. I don’t see why we give up our future, for just one attempt at this. Stay the course and grow over time. I understand many other fans lack patience, but it’s crucial to build a team that can compete over many years.

Agree if you're talking about splitting up big 3.

Otherwise we have no prospects worthy of saving for Patrick Kane coming.

Sorry Kane, your 100 points are being disqualified because you're 34?

If I need rebuild today and had Matthew's marner Nylander tomorrow my rebuild is done. None of these prospects are future mortgaging our future is fine for adding Kane.

 

[Fogelhund]

It's always fun to discuss bringing the marquee name to the Leafs, the star forward, the star D... Kane/Chychrun... but at this point in time, I don't believe it's the right thing to do.

If we move Holl, and sign Sandin for $1.25 mil, run with 21 players on the roster, including Benn, we are cap compliant.

I think we need to let this team play, and see what happens. With no changes, I see us easily making the playoffs, it just comes down to, is that a team ready to actually win something. At this point, we've had posts talking about potential regressions in Muzzin, in Brodie, whether Robertson is ready, is Malgin, can Steeves contribute, Anderson, Holmberg, Abruzzese, McCann... Can Sandin and Liljegren take the next step.... and most importantly, are Murray and Samsanov up to the task?,

Right now we are trying to find answers, for unknown questions. Why try and fill an imagined hole, when we don't know if there is actually a hole to fill. If the team clicks, Bunting grows as a player, and Robertson has a great rookie season, is there really a need for Kane, at an expensive cost? Furthermore, what if our offense is great, and one of the D's falters, or the Goaltending isn't good enough. We spend all of our currency early on, and find out it wasn't what needed addressing? I think we need to be patient, and wait and see what we actually have, before addressing what is wrong with it. Maybe we could add a forward, maybe it's a D we need, maybe it's more physicality in the bottom six, maybe we need a goalie.... but nobody here knows what our biggest need will be, later in the year. I mean.. if we could address everything now, great... but there is a cap, which makes such moves nearly impossible, and there is a cost to making such moves.

Let the team play, learn what the real needs are, then make the right move... if necessary.

 

[Frostitute]

All true. If you look at Simmonds he's actually built more wiry and lean than a classic big bruiser, so he's definitely putting the mileage on faster than even other power forward types without the padding either. Great warrior, hope we see him from time to time but he's probably too broken down to go the full 82 and a playoff run.

He was once a top 10 player in the league IMO and very well rounded. I'm not sure I've ever seen a pro athlete with legs as skinny as his though. Not trying to knock him, but when he lost a step, and then another one, he really shouldn't have been skipping leg day for chin-ups.

To me he is done as an NHLer. But there is no shame in that. He had a great career and should be proud.

 

[rocketman588]

Trading Holl before Sandin signs gives the Sandin camp a negotiating advantage. Not happening. Signing Sandin with a promise to him that they will trade Holl isn't going to happen either. This would get out in public and cause strife among the players and the NHLPA. He signs and plays where he's told or sits and doesn't play at all or is traded by the GM or leaves the country and plays in Europe (likely done as a Leaf is he tries that). Unless there's an offer sheet he signs.

A Good old fashioned Mexican stand off

 

[Fogelhund]

Someone on the trade board suggested trading Muzzin and Knies for Comtois and Kulikov... a non-starter for me... but then I looked in the Ducks, who have Drysdale, signed Klinberg and also have Shattenkirk on the right side.... Maybe Shattenkirk and Comtois for Muzzin and Knies could be interesting.

Comtois had a bad year last year, Covid and an injury, but I think he rebounds, and should make an outstanding winger with Tavares and Nylander.

Shattenkirk gives us a decent RHD, can play PK as well, and while is similar age to Muzzin, isn't regressing the same way.

It allows us to move Kerfoot immediately, and should leave us with nearly $3 mil in cap room.

I appreciate giving up Knies isn't desirable for some, but I think Comtois and him are about equal, but Comtois is further developed, and would be able to help now, where Knies is going to take a few years. The problem could be, Comtois and Bunting could have good years, and then you'd have to sign someone to an extension... so you'd probably want to extend Comtois immediately, before a breakout... he'd probably resist...

 

[jaric1862]

I’d love if they brought in Motte and tried him at Center