Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[Sebastien]

Nah... we don't need that type of cap hit going forward. It's a good contract for sure, but I think we need to look elsewhere.

Depending on how the season goes for our potential LW guys... Robertson, Knies and Amirov... if it looks good for all three, I'd consider Knies and a 2nd (2024) to Minnesota for Faber and O'Rourke.

Yeah, you are 1000 dreaming. Fave is off limits for Minnesota . They aren't moving a Minnesota dman whose the next brodin. They specifically moved fiala to kings to get him. So no, not a chance you are getting him. There's a reason Minnesota isn't resigning dumba

You won't even get faber whose absolute off limits, much less get Minnesota to add

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Still nothing really worth claiming for the Leafs, but I can see a team taking a chance on Kostin.

He is not a good player right now, but he is fairly young and has a solid profile. Makes sense for a bad team to play him instead of a filler veteran.

 

[LeafChief]

Martinook is a damn good 4th liner but 2 x 1.8 is rich. I imagine he passes through.

 

[zeke]

I think for a 4 year deal it’s roughly in line with where it should be. After the disasters that are the Benn and Seguin contracts, and the owners public comments against big money second contracts, Robertson was never getting a deal bigger than this out of Dallas. So unless he was prepared to hold out into the season, I don’t think his agent could have done much.

I dunno - 45gl/90pt pace in his first full season at age 22, with fantastic underlying numbers and without even getting true top-line ice time.

Settling for $8m for any term seems crazy to me.

 

[stickty111]

Yeah, you are 1000 dreaming. Fave is off limits for Minnesota . They aren't moving a Minnesota dman whose the next brodin. They specifically moved fiala to kings to get him. So no, not a chance you are getting him. There's a reason Minnesota isn't resigning dumba

You won't even get faber whose absolute off limits, much less get Minnesota to add

You literally repeated the same thing in every sentence using different words. We got it the first time.
Will you stop going to this thread and stop knocking everything Wild related?

 

[Sebastien]

You literally repeated the same thing in every sentence using different words. We got it the first time.
Will you stop going to this thread and stop knocking everything Wild related?

Not just wild. I have conversations about everything

 

[Menzinger]

Calgary wins that Tkachuk trade

Yep. Ended up being a very tidy bit a business for them. Especially since they were already in a "win now" mode

 

[jaric1862]

Kings have a few interesting bubble guys that might go on waivers that i'd be interested in picking up. They'll have a decision to make on Anderson-Dolan, Andersson and Vilardi

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Kings have a few interesting bubble guys that might go on waivers that i'd be interested in picking up. They'll have a decision to make on Anderson-Dolan, Andersson and Vilardi

They already waived Andersson.

He was not very good, so that should not come as a surprise. His prestige is really the only thing going for him right now.

We don't need forwards, so we need to see if there is a solid option on defense we can look at claiming. So far, none of the defensemen have been worth claiming.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I dunno - 45gl/90pt pace in his first full season at age 22, with fantastic underlying numbers and without even getting true top-line ice time.

Settling for $8m for any term seems crazy to me.

I'm not sure why you say that. He led all forwards in ES toi/gm and was second in PP and overall. Am I missing something?

 

[stickty111]

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Kerfoot suddenly makes a lot more sense for them. They have the cap space and they could use him (especially with the injuries), and we can take Ferland back if the deal makes sense.

 

[4thline]

Have missed something in the last year with Janmark? Always seemed like a solid 3rd line swiss army knife type

 

[aingefan]

Kerfoot suddenly makes a lot more sense for them. They have the cap space and they could use him (especially with the injuries), and we can take Ferland back if the deal makes sense.

Makes sense.
System could use a few more D ready to step in two years.
Maybe another C prospect a lil further away.
Picks are always good.
With NickRob and Malgin and Holmberg looking pretty good out of the gate, I’m okay with moving Kerfoot and mixing and matching for the first 40 games til combinations define themselves.

 

[Havoc]

Makes sense.
System could use a few more D ready to step in two years.
Maybe another C prospect a lil further away.
Picks are always good.
With NickRob and Malgin and Holmberg looking pretty good out of the gate, I’m okay with moving Kerfoot and mixing and matching for the first 40 games til combinations define themselves.

Need to remember Kerfoot is the no.3 for the 3 headed forward monster at PK and the only forward we know for a fact is guaranteed, key word guaranteed, to get minimum 50 points if needed in the top 6.

This place needs to be careful what they wish for when it comes to Kerfoot. We already half ass the depth as is, touching Kerfoot right now to make room for internal competition wars seems like even more cheap-ing out (which is bad if you consider we're already meh on the Mr.Vanilla Kerfoot I'm trying to defend, even I feel a little weird being Kerfoots lawyer these days).

I'd like an actual concrete plan involving moving pieces with names when it involves Kerfoot. I also think he has one year in him where he's a slam dunk depth player and I estimate those years are either when he's 28 or 29. Seeing as neither of those years are burned yet he should stay unless a slam dunk depth guy is coming in.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Need to remember Kerfoot is the no.3 for the 3 headed forward monster at PK and the only forward we know for a fact is guaranteed, key word guaranteed, to get minimum 50 points if needed in the top 6.

This place needs to be careful what they wish for when it comes to Kerfoot. We already half ass the depth as is, touching Kerfoot right now to make room for internal competition wars seems like even more cheap-ing out (which is bad if you consider we're already meh on the Mr.Vanilla Kerfoot I'm trying to defend, even I feel a little weird being Kerfoots lawyer these days).

I'd like an actual concrete plan involving moving pieces with names when it involves Kerfoot. I also think he has one year in him where he's a slam dunk depth player and I estimate those years are either when he's 28 or 29. Seeing as neither of those years are burned yet he should stay unless a slam dunk depth guy is coming in.

It's the "you can only work with that you have" effect because priority is to not get worse even if you don't like what you have. You will have no choice but to become Engvall lawyer after diss him all summer if he became the no.1 depth guy too. You'd need to know you're getting Engvall minimum back before letting him go.

I see your reasons. For me, there can't be poll where 90% keeping engvall over malgin but then we trading kerfoot because players in malgin tier are looking good against weak teams in pre season. We know our main guys aren't really trying, so weird to think the main guys on other teams are trying too. When main guys on other teams try in NHL games we know kerfoot can hang around.

 

[Shooter2x]

Have to admit there were plentiful times in the playoffs I said to myself "thank god we have kerfoot" when he'd swoop in and carry the puck from harms way with his legs.

I'd trade him if a team overpays with a mid to high 1st rounder. Beyond that he's worth more to us than he is on the market.

 

[andora]

Kerfoot suddenly makes a lot more sense for them. They have the cap space and they could use him (especially with the injuries), and we can take Ferland back if the deal makes sense.

Cant afford kerfoots hit with the injuries right now

Dickinson was also outplayed off the roster..

 

[aingefan]

Need to remember Kerfoot is the no.3 for the 3 headed forward monster at PK and the only forward we know for a fact is guaranteed, key word guaranteed, to get minimum 50 points if needed in the top 6.

This place needs to be careful what they wish for when it comes to Kerfoot. We already half ass the depth as is, touching Kerfoot right now to make room for internal competition wars seems like even more cheap-ing out (which is bad if you consider we're already meh on the Mr.Vanilla Kerfoot I'm trying to defend, even I feel a little weird being Kerfoots lawyer these days).

I'd like an actual concrete plan involving moving pieces with names when it involves Kerfoot. I also think he has one year in him where he's a slam dunk depth player and I estimate those years are either when he's 28 or 29. Seeing as neither of those years are burned yet he should stay unless a slam dunk depth guy is coming in.

Yeah, I get he’s a good player, but the combined yield, cap space and flexibility is worth it if a good offer is delivered.
I obviously don’t know what concrete offers exist, but I like what NickRob et al offer. Whoever plays with JT/WN is gonna get points.
Jarnkrok is basically a RH Kerfoot.
Seems there’s lots of pk options too.
I get the ‘bird in hand’ angle, but I feel like the players in house are worth the gamble.

 

[zeke]

I'm not sure why you say that. He led all forwards in ES toi/gm and was second in PP and overall. Am I missing something?

True.

I should have said his 18mpg isn't really star-level ice time, but he still put up star level numbers.

 

[ULF_55]

Not just wild. I have conversations about everything

Especially this:

 

[ULF_55]

2nd. round pick for 1.3 million in cap space.

 

[zeke]

2nd. round pick for 1.3 million in cap space.

Not even sure it's 1.3m. Couldn't they have just sent him down and saved almost as much space?

 

[LeafChief]

Leafs had interest in Bertuzzi at the TDL a few years back. He's now clear to play in Canada. I wonder if he's someone they will look at around the deadline this year.

 

[Havoc]

Yeah, I get he’s a good player, but the combined yield, cap space and flexibility is worth it if a good offer is delivered.
I obviously don’t know what concrete offers exist, but I like what NickRob et al offer. Whoever plays with JT/WN is gonna get points.
Jarnkrok is basically a RH Kerfoot.
Seems there’s lots of pk options too.
I get the ‘bird in hand’ angle, but I feel like the players in house are worth the gamble.

hmm will have to respectfully disagree but I get where you're coming from.

His PK usage is enough for me to continue the bird in hand. If you check the usage, the next no.3 up to complete the trio we currently have isn't even close.

To give a taste of where I'm coming from, I like to combine and bubble up lower cap and lower quality players for higher cap and higher quality player (not likely to be plural if bubbling up), and then fill in with your gambles. Trading Kerfoot now goes against this philosophy. It's the same philosophy that safe guards Marner and Nylander being traded away inefficiently, just a smaller scale.

I would never bubble down unless it's a sure-fire hit and the tier you are downgrading has enough quality left to maintain that tier. That's not true when it comes to Kerfoot (PK, top 6, bottom 6 impact, I mean he's our token swiss army knife for a reason) and if you look at a larger scale like Marner, it's also not true we can bubble down on Marner and maintain calling ourselves blessed when it comes to elite top heavy talent (just to keep the 'philosophy' in view).

Jarnkrok is currently a grass is always greener for me relative to the tier you seem to automatically put him on, I need to still see he can be our token swiss army knife before I displace Kerfoot.