Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[Puckstuff]

This article is stating Kerfoot is as good as gone

Toronto Maple Leafs: Near 100% Probability of an Alex Kerfoot Trade

Toronto Maple Leafs: Near 100% Probability of an Alex Kerfoot Trade. Logic dictates that the Leafs have no choice but to move the underrated Kerfoot.

editorinleaf.com

Not that I put much credibility into any article I read but I have been thinking Kerf could be the causality. Though I'd love to send him to Chicago and then get him back at 50 % cap hit. I'd give them a 2nd and a 4th to eat half of his cap hit so we could keep Kerfoot. Not sure of the rules.

 

[LeafChief]

This article is stating Kerfoot is as good as gone

Toronto Maple Leafs: Near 100% Probability of an Alex Kerfoot Trade

Toronto Maple Leafs: Near 100% Probability of an Alex Kerfoot Trade. Logic dictates that the Leafs have no choice but to move the underrated Kerfoot.

editorinleaf.com

Not that I put much credibility into any article I read but I have been thinking Kerf could be the causality. Though I'd love to send him to Chicago and then get him back at 50 % cap hit. I'd give them a 2nd and a 4th to eat half of his cap hit so we could keep Kerfoot. Not sure of the rules.

Not suggesting it's impossible but Editor in Leaf is an absolute joke of a blog/Twitter account.

Zero credibility.

 

[Havoc]

Have to admit there were plentiful times in the playoffs I said to myself "thank god we have kerfoot" when he'd swoop in and carry the puck from harms way with his legs.

I'd trade him if a team overpays with a mid to high 1st rounder. Beyond that he's worth more to us than he is on the market.

I would consider a mid to late 1st as a "sure-fire" okay to trading Kerfoot because it becomes like stored impact. You are guaranteed quality depth if you end up using that 1st at the deadline. I only really care about the bottom 6 for the real season (playoffs), the top 6 is enough to snooze our way through the regular season. 1st rounders are equivalent to "bird in hand" these days (from the perspective of trades for depth players).

 

[Legion34]

Not suggesting it's impossible but Editor in Leaf is an absolute joke of a blog/Twitter account.

Zero credibility.

Ya I used to think that it was some form of credentialed journalist/insider like a Siegel. is it just a homer fan who made a website? Because some of the takes seem incredibly biased

 

[stickty111]

Not suggesting it's impossible but Editor in Leaf is an absolute joke of a blog/Twitter account.

Zero credibility.

He's a Leafs troll trying to embarass Leafs fans.

 

[ULF_55]

I would consider a mid to late 1st as a "sure-fire" okay to trading Kerfoot because it becomes like stored impact. You are guaranteed quality depth if you end up using that 1st at the deadline. I only really care about the bottom 6 for the real season (playoffs), the top 6 is enough to snooze our way through the regular season. 1st rounders are equivalent to "bird in hand" these days (from the perspective of trades for depth players).

If they trade Kerfoot they need to get a bonafide equal center in return.
So Kerfoot and ??? for strong 3rd. line center on a better RFA contract.
Cost in assets is not irrelevant but is secondary to their win now mode.

They shouldn't weaken the team in a trade.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

hmm will have to respectfully disagree but I get where you're coming from.

His PK usage is enough for me to continue the bird in hand. If you check the usage, the next no.3 up to complete the trio we currently have isn't even close.

To give a taste of where I'm coming from, I like to combine and bubble up lower cap and lower quality players for higher cap and higher quality player (not likely to be plural if bubbling up), and then fill in with your gambles. Trading Kerfoot now goes against this philosophy. It's the same philosophy that safe guards Marner and Nylander being traded away inefficiently, just a smaller scale.

I would never bubble down unless it's a sure-fire hit and the tier you are downgrading has enough quality left to maintain that tier. That's not true when it comes to Kerfoot (PK, top 6, bottom 6 impact, I mean he's our token swiss army knife for a reason) and if you look at a larger scale like Marner, it's also not true we can bubble down on Marner and maintain calling ourselves blessed when it comes to elite top heavy talent (just to keep the 'philosophy' in view).

Jarnkrok is currently a grass is always greener for me relative to the tier you seem to automatically put him on, I need to still see he can be our token swiss army knife before I displace Kerfoot.

I want Kerfoot gone as fast as you want Engvall gone, but this post is literally the textbook on How To Win In A Parity Driven Salary Cap League 101. Might have to reconsider the timing of Kerfoots departure.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Joey Anderson and Mac Hollowell on waivers.

Not sure Anderson clears. He wasn't given much of an opportunity in preseason, so hopefully the lack of exposure makes it easier for him to clear.

No idea why they see more in Gaudette than him though... Gaudette has been given a bunch of opportunities and has not looked good in any of them.

 

[SprDaVE]

I think this past summer was the time to trade Kerfoot. Signing Jarnkrok to me should have been the replacement. It didn't have to be a great return, but I think for something that opens up cap space to change things up a bit. Similar to the Johnsson trade even.

I'm not sure now it makes any sort of sense to do that right now though. I agree with the principle that having a 3.5M on your bottom lines when healthy seems not great.

 

[ULF_55]

I think this past summer was the time to trade Kerfoot. Signing Jarnkrok to me should have been the replacement. It didn't have to be a great return, but I think for something that opens up cap space to change things up a bit. Similar to the Johnsson trade even.

I'm not sure now it makes any sort of sense to do that. I agree with the principle that having a 3.5M on your bottom lines when healthy seems not great.

I'd be okay if they went with 11 forwards to get under the Cap.

4th. line of:
Player 10 - Player 11 - Matthews/marner/Nylander

 

[showtime8]

Joey Anderson and Mac Hollowell on waivers.

Not sure Anderson clears. He wasn't given much of an opportunity in preseason, so hopefully the lack of exposure makes it easier for him to clear.

No idea why they see more in Gaudette than him though... Gaudette has been given a bunch of opportunities and has not looked good in any of them.

Gaudette is a better skater than Anderson and for a guy that is also likely to hit the waiver wire, it doesn't matter if the Leafs lose either of them.

My question would be, what has Anderson shown you in the 3 years that he's been here? He got an increased role with the Marlies and put up some points, but when he was called up, he didn't show a lot. Alex Steeves got more of a look than Anderson did last year.

I think he gets claimed by a team like NJ, SJ or WPG.

 

[ULF_55]

Joey Anderson and Mac Hollowell on waivers.

Not sure Anderson clears. He wasn't given much of an opportunity in preseason, so hopefully the lack of exposure makes it easier for him to clear.

No idea why they see more in Gaudette than him though... Gaudette has been given a bunch of opportunities and has not looked good in any of them.

Still need to find 2.15 in space.

If Liljegren goes on LTIR, and they waive Clifford they can go with 12 and 6.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I think this past summer was the time to trade Kerfoot. Signing Jarnkrok to me should have been the replacement. It didn't have to be a great return, but I think for something that opens up cap space to change things up a bit. Similar to the Johnsson trade even.

I'm not sure now it makes any sort of sense to do that. I agree with the principle that having a 3.5M on your bottom lines when healthy seems not great.

There is still an opportunity to trade him now, but I think we get more than Johnsson did (as much as I like Anderson).

Vancouver just traded Dickinson to open up cap space. If we take on Ferland (and even if we don't), they have the cap space and the need for a guy like Kerfoot in their top 9.

Gaudette is a better skater than Anderson and for a guy that is also likely to hit the waiver wire, it doesn't matter if the Leafs lose either of them.

My question would be, what has Anderson shown you in the 3 years that he's been here? He got an increased role with the Marlies and put up some points, but when he was called up, he didn't show a lot. Alex Steeves got more of a look than Anderson did last year.

I think he gets claimed by a team like NJ, SJ or WPG.

He has only been here two years, and he has shown the ability to play a strong, gritty game at both ends of the ice without sucking... Which is exactly the kind of player that many of our lines need. He can play a 4th line shutdown role (the only role the Leafs tried him out on in preseason, and he did well), but he also has good enough offensive skills to play on any of our top 9 lines too. He is not a blazer, but he is a good enough skater to play in the NHL.

Gaudette is an offensive player who is not good enough to really play in any role.

I would have been fine if we waived Anderson if he struggled to keep up with skilled offensive NHL players, but he didn't even get the chance. He was stuck playing with Marlies (and not even the good Marlies) and the best he was given was Kampf/ZAR. He showed his defensive ability, but there is not much offensive ability for him to compliment there.

I hope he doesn't get claimed and gets a chance during the season. He plays differently than most of our other prospects, and I would put him in the lineup long before Simmonds/Clifford if we needed that gritty depth option (he would also be our best option to replace an NAK or ZAR if they go down).

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Juuso Valimaki is on waivers.

IDK if people will be turned off by the salary cap (he almost certainly doesn't make sense for the Leafs for that reason), but he would be a solid waiver claim for some weaker teams.

There are a couple of other higher profile prospects on waivers too, but they are not that great (Kaut, Bowers, Clague, etc.).

 

[darrylsittler27]

Just my opinion but I think Trading Holl makes more sense than Kerfoot at this time. If you do trade Kerfoot his value is highest at TD, not now and you need to know you have a replacement.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

Still need to find 2.15 in space.

If Liljegren goes on LTIR, and they waive Clifford they can go with 12 and 6.

Problem is Tavares isn't going to play and can't go on LTIR cause he won't be out long enough.

If Tavares or another player isn't put on LTIR they will have to run a 19 man roster for game one of the regular season.

Barring a trade or another injury of course.

 

[notdoneyet]

Joey Anderson and Mac Hollowell on waivers.

Not sure Anderson clears. He wasn't given much of an opportunity in preseason, so hopefully the lack of exposure makes it easier for him to clear.

No idea why they see more in Gaudette than him though... Gaudette has been given a bunch of opportunities and has not looked good in any of them.

Gaudette or anderson are no big loss. Both not good enough right now for the nhl.

 

[pspot]

Interesting to see Tolvanen on the 4th , hopefully they kick the tires on him as a buy low

 

[4thline]

Getting under the cap (healthy roster) scenarios:

Assuming baseline roster:

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Nylander
Kerfoot-Engvall-Jarncrok
xxx-Kampf-NAK

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Giordano
Sandin-Liljegren
Holl

xxx = one of Simmonds/Malgin/ZAR.
1.28 to 1.43 over the cap depending on Simmonds vs. Malgin, assuming no more than 900k for ZAR

Move Holl = 12F+6D, no player added, 570k to 720 in cap space depending on who your last forward is.
Move Engvall = 12F + 7D, two of Simmonds/Malgin/ZAR instead of one, 70-220k cap space
Move Kerfoot = 12F + 7D two of Simmonds/Malgin ZAR instead of one , 1.32-1.47 in cap space, can carry a spare or run with 12 and call up 1-2 players whenever we need, PLUS accrue a meaningful amount of deadline space.

From a pure cap/flexibility perspective, it's clear that moving Kerfoot makes the most sense, Holl the least. From the on ice side it gets tougher. It would be interesting to throw a waiver claim on Janmark, would make it easier to lose Kerf

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Getting under the cap (healthy roster) scenarios:

Assuming baseline roster:

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Nylander
Kerfoot-Engvall-Jarncrok
xxx-Kampf-NAK

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Giordano
Sandin-Liljegren
Holl

xxx = one of Simmonds/Malgin/ZAR.
1.28 to 1.43 over the cap depending on Simmonds vs. Malgin, assuming no more than 900k for ZAR

Move Holl = 12F+6D, no player added, 570k to 720 in cap space depending on who your last forward is.
Move Engvall = 12F + 7D, two of Simmonds/Malgin/ZAR instead of one, 70-220k cap space
Move Kerfoot = 12F + 7D two of Simmonds/Malgin ZAR instead of one , 1.32-1.47 in cap space, can carry a spare or run with 12 and call up 1-2 players whenever we need, PLUS accrue a meaningful amount of deadline space.

From a pure cap/flexibility perspective, it's clear that moving Kerfoot makes the most sense, Holl the least. From the on ice side it gets tougher. It would be interesting to throw a waiver claim on Janmark, would make it easier to lose Kerf

I would rather trust our prospects than use Janmark. I think Malgin is a better version of him.

 

[4thline]

I would rather trust our prospects than use Janmark. I think Malgin is a better version of him.

I wouldn't be adverse to that either. Better version of a career 30 point player (including playoffs) is a nice 9F.
a free Janmark at 1.25 is a nice insurance policy though

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I wouldn't be adverse to that either. Better version of a career 30 point player (including playoffs) is a nice 9F.
a free Janmark at 1.25 is a nice insurance policy though

30 points out of an offensive guy is not that good. It is fine if you have nothing better, but we have a bunch of prospects who can probably put up more than that.

Or sign Milano, who is much better.

 

[justashadowof]

The Leafs probably hope that Anderson gets claimed as it would give them a contract slot.

 

[justashadowof]

He's a Leafs troll trying to embarass Leafs fans.

Maybe I haven't read enough but he seems sincere to me. And since when should anyone be embarrassed by the opinions of someone who has the loosest of all possible associations imaginable (interest in the same thing)? Are people really that weak and sheepish?

 

[aingefan]

hmm will have to respectfully disagree but I get where you're coming from.

His PK usage is enough for me to continue the bird in hand. If you check the usage, the next no.3 up to complete the trio we currently have isn't even close.

To give a taste of where I'm coming from, I like to combine and bubble up lower cap and lower quality players for higher cap and higher quality player (not likely to be plural if bubbling up), and then fill in with your gambles. Trading Kerfoot now goes against this philosophy. It's the same philosophy that safe guards Marner and Nylander being traded away inefficiently, just a smaller scale.

I would never bubble down unless it's a sure-fire hit and the tier you are downgrading has enough quality left to maintain that tier. That's not true when it comes to Kerfoot (PK, top 6, bottom 6 impact, I mean he's our token swiss army knife for a reason) and if you look at a larger scale like Marner, it's also not true we can bubble down on Marner and maintain calling ourselves blessed when it comes to elite top heavy talent (just to keep the 'philosophy' in view).

Jarnkrok is currently a grass is always greener for me relative to the tier you seem to automatically put him on, I need to still see he can be our token swiss army knife before I displace Kerfoot.

I endorse that plan too, so long as it shaves cap. Similar to your previous post, I’d want to know the layout of a deal - which is just pure speculation.

I’m pretty confident in many of the bubble/close guys to make positive impacts this year. I just wanna see em play.,

I would consider a mid to late 1st as a "sure-fire" okay to trading Kerfoot because it becomes like stored impact. You are guaranteed quality depth if you end up using that 1st at the deadline. I only really care about the bottom 6 for the real season (playoffs), the top 6 is enough to snooze our way through the regular season. 1st rounders are equivalent to "bird in hand" these days (from the perspective of trades for depth players).

Yup, you can pretty much pick your deadline add with a first. Especially given the stripped cupboards of the main competitors.
Two seconds would too, I’d think.