Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[rocketman588]

Those tax laws coming through as an advantage again

Texas has some advantages but they also have one of the most ridiculous property tax structures in the nation which is very hard to accountant your way out of if you actually want to own property.

AMs base salary is extremely low compared to the bonuses I would hope he has a financial advisor that can use that to get the AZ tax rate on most of his stuff

 

[Fogelhund]

I mean....a 40pt pace vs a 60pt pace on that line isn't really "splitting hairs". That's a huge difference.

Except you've broken it down to 5v5 strength only... Is that all there is to hockey? Only the 5v5 success matters?

It's like claiming Marner is a mid 70's point player, because that's what he does 5v5, and ignoring everything else.

It's a pedant argument... and I'm not saying Hyman is equal, that's been noted numerous times.

It's 60pt pace vs. 60 pt pace... in overall game...

 

[TMLAM34]

I think it is very much a skill to be able to keep up with and read the game with that level of a player

See Ritchie and Jumbo



Much like jack this might be his one shot at getting paid

I wouldn't fault him for it

Thornton was like 42… Can’t blame him for not being able to keep up. He can definitely read the game with those kind of players though.

 

[Fogelhund]

Shocking!!!

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No room for any of these guys here...

 

[zeke]

Except you've broken it down to 5v5 strength only... Is that all there is to hockey? Only the 5v5 success matters?

It's like claiming Marner is a mid 70's point player, because that's what he does 5v5, and ignoring everything else.

It's a pedant argument... and I'm not saying Hyman is equal, that's been noted numerous times.

It's 60pt pace vs. 60 pt pace... in overall game...

I thought we were talking about the effect that playing with Matthews and Marner had on these two guys' production, and 5v5 is the only measure of that.

and one 60pt pace can be very different than another 60pt pace, especially when 15% of one of them comes from empty net points.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I mean....a 40pt pace vs a 60pt pace on that line isn't really "splitting hairs". That's a huge difference.

Someone in the Barzal thread replied to me that Barzal's contract was a bargain compared to Marner. Apparently averaging 45 fewer points per year is no big deal.

 

[stickty111]

Shocking!!!

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No room for any of these guys here...

Oilers making questionable decisions as usual. He should never have been brought in

 

[notDatsyuk]

I read that too and assumed I was misunderstanding. Did he say Jason Robertson will likely be as close to being as good as Auston Matthews?

He probably meant Anthony Mantha.

 

[Anthrax442]

Not saying it isn't but why do you think that?

which part? the deal or the player?

 

[notDatsyuk]

40 goals in year two for a team that scored 6 more goals then the Sabers. But keep on with your idiocy solely because the stars didn't get dicked on the contract

I can certainly see how 40 is more than AM's 101, but is it more than Willy's 71?

 

[notDatsyuk]

Someone in the Barzal thread replied to me that Barzal's contract was a bargain compared to Marner. Apparently averaging 45 fewer points per year is no big deal.

But if Barzal was playing with Matthews and Bunting (or Hyman? I'm not sure - maybe both) he'd be averaging about 300 points per season.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

..and Bunting had 26 NHL games before last year.

Robertson will have more than that easily before the end of the year, and the rest we shall see how their years go. Point is, when you have that kind of depth, you wait and see, before you commit big dollars, to a position you can back fill with ELC's.



A bit of that, but I think mostly there just isn't cap room for Robertson to go higher now, and Robertson's contract expires a year after Benn's and his $9.5 million... so at expiry. Dallas will have a ton of dough to give Robertson a bigger contract, should he deserve it.

Ya fair enough, makes sense. It would be interesting to see if they were even offering him longer terms at all, or if all the contracts ended around Benn's contract expiring which Robertson's side were okay with due to that big cap rise

 

[hamzarocks]

Nylander deal was better and he is a better player.

Nylanders deal idk but its arguable if hes better than Jason Robertson now let alone when he was holding out after a 61 pt year

Also Robertson while a great player and goal scorer doesn't compare to Matthews.

The only guys who'll be as good as Matthews in terms of goal scoring are not even drafted yet

Bedard and Mitchkov are two potential guys who can score like AM34

Otherwise Matthews should win another 5-6 rockets in the next decade

 

[Menzinger]

Nylander was slightly younger and played on a far weaker team when he put up the points.

Overall, the Robertson contract is fine. It's missing some term but the cap hit is more than fair.

The player and agent likely pushed for that short term to allow them to take advantage of the upcoming large cap increase

 

[Menzinger]

that's only a 6 goal gap from Nylanders goal production last season. So better but not exactly a monstrous gap.

 

[Fogelhund]

The player and agent likely pushed for that short term to allow them to take advantage of the upcoming large cap increase

Probably. Dallas also didn’t have anymore cap room, so they couldn’t afford more for now. Robertson’s camp probably wanted three years, Dallas five or longer and here we are.

 

[rocketman588]

Though that's only a 6 goal gap from Nylanders goal production last season. So better but not exactly a monstrous gap.

Yeah and he's getting paid only 500k with a cup that is higher while being in his second year in the league.

To compare we paid Willy his deal after back to back 20 goal seasons.

To say anything else then this is a great deal for the stars is pretty insane.

They also still have control at the end of the contract and he won't be a ufa which I like as well

I feel like every contract anyone else signs is deemed an " overpay" by everyone on here

 

[Menzinger]

Yeah and he's getting paid only 500k with a cup that is higher while being in his second year in the league.

To compare we paid Willy his deal after back to back 20 goal seasons.

To say anything else then this is a great deal for the stars is pretty insane.

They also still have control at the end of the contract and he won't be a ufa which I like as well

I feel like every contract anyone else signs is deemed an " overpay" by everyone on here

Nylander gave up a pair of UFA years with his deal. And was a better playmaker too.

Dallas will still have control, but they'll be paying a premium for the years that Nylander was still signed with the Leafs for 6.9 mil.once it's taken care of.

SO it's not exactly a straight comparison here. Dallas is paying more in the short term and will be paying more later too

 

[rocketman588]

Nylander gave up a pair of UFA years with his deal. And was a better playmaker too.

Dallas will still have control, but they'll be paying a premium for the years that Nylander was still signed with the Leafs for 6.9 mil.once it's taken care of.

SO it's not exactly a straight comparison here. Dallas is paying more in the short term and will be paying more later too

We got two years of value over their deal but they're paying 2018 nylander prices for 2022 nylander production ( including total points wise).

To put it in perspective nylander gets what 9/10 on the open market if he's a ufa this year?

So they're getting 4 years of around 2/3 mil of value off the open market with team control at the end if he even just stays at the same production rate as he is now. Additionally they won't lose him for nothing if he chooses to not resign

We probably only started getting that kind of value off willys deal this past year(although obviously weird seasons impacted that) and it's likely he doesn't return

They basically are paying him under value with the opportunity to pay him way under value while we got at value or less then the value of willys deal until this year.

It's like if we were to get Matthews and Marner for 7/8 x3/4 they would have been the best deals in the league at this point.

He's that level of talent

 

[Stephen]

Lots of trash players getting released from PTO's.

 

[Stephen]

We got two years of value over their deal but they're paying 2018 nylander prices for 2022 nylander production ( including total points wise).

To put it in perspective nylander gets what 9/10 on the open market if he's a ufa this year?

So they're getting 4 years of around 2/3 mil of value off the open market with team control at the end if he even just stays at the same production rate as he is now. Additionally they won't lose him for nothing if he chooses to not resign

We probably only started getting that kind of value off willys deal this past year(although obviously weird seasons impacted that) and it's likely he doesn't return

They basically are paying him under value with the opportunity to pay him way under value while we got at value or less then the value of willys deal until this year.

It's like if we were to get Matthews and Marner for 7/8 x3/4 they would have been the best deals in the league at this point.

He's that level of talent

He reminds me of young Jason Spezza, but more focused on scoring than playmaking.

 

[LeafEgo]

Yeah and he's getting paid only 500k with a cup that is higher while being in his second year in the league.

To compare we paid Willy his deal after back to back 20 goal seasons.

To say anything else then this is a great deal for the stars is pretty insane.

They also still have control at the end of the contract and he won't be a ufa which I like as well

I feel like every contract anyone else signs is deemed an " overpay" by everyone on here

It's a great deal.

The disparity here between assessing our own contracts vs other teams is mind boggling.

People see Marner as fair value and are ok with Matty at 17M and then throw shade at the Robertson and Mack deals. It's like living in another dimension.

 

[zeke]

It's a great deal.

The disparity here between assessing our own contracts vs other teams is mind boggling.

People see Marner as fair value and are ok with Matty at 17M and then throw shade at the Robertson and Mack deals. It's like living in another dimension.

Robertson contract is a steal for sure. Kid is awesome. He should fire his agent.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Lots of trash players getting released from PTO's.

It's a tough league to stay in man.

 

[cyris]

Robertson contract is a steal for sure. Kid is awesome. He should fire his agent.

Dallas got a great bargain on AAV but years puts him in a great situation for his next deal.
Robertson will have all the leverage when negotiating his 3rd deal right when the cap will have taken a huge jump.

If Dallas doesn’t give him whatever he asks for all he has to do is accept his 9.3m QO and he will be a free agent at the youngest point possible for him based on when he broke on to the league.