Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[Stephen]

What don't you like of

Rielly-Brodie
Soucy-Zub
Kral-Liljegren
Gio

Physicality?

Are we moving on from Sandin? Zub is great. Soucy seems high on the depth chart. Kral and Liljegren together is too green.

 

[LeafChief]

It's been mentioned but Connor Murphy has always seemed like a good long term solution to pair with Rielly.

Allows for Brodie to shelter Sandin or Gio.

 

[Stephen]

He's both employed a goalie making 5m (Andersen) for 3 years and signed a goalie for 3 years (Mrazek), so I'm not sure how you're concluding that 5m or 3 years is too much for him.
What goalies with a 5m AAV and 3 years of term have even been traded during his tenure?
A Saros certainly hasn't been available.

So there’s no example of a 3x year, $5 million goalie acquisition.

Andersen was a Lou trade and doesn’t count. Mrazek does not count. Agreed, Nashville won’t trade Saros anyway so let’s stop talking about it.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Are we moving on from Sandin? Zub is great. Soucy seems high on the depth chart. Kral and Liljegren together is too green.

Soucy is a top 4 with Schultz now.

Zub is great

Liljegren will have 2 years under his belt by next year...seems okay to handle 3rd pairing duties and help transition Kral?

 

[Dekes For Days]

So there’s no example of a 3x year, $5 million goalie acquisition.

You're asking for something that doesn't exist for anybody, not just for Dubas. That's such an arbitrarily specific thing to draw conclusions from.
Dubas had Andersen for 3 years at 5m, so why would he be against Saros for (less than) 3 years at 5m?
He's shown that he's fine spending 5m on a goalie, and he's shown that he's fine committing 3 years to a goalie. Ones worse than Saros.
There's no reason to think that Dubas wouldn't be interested in Saros if he were available.

 

[ULF_55]

Muzzin being done, Toronto needs to trade for a Dman with term. Murphy / Chychurn being probably the top two candidates.

What don't you like of

Rielly-Brodie
Soucy-Zub
Kral-Liljegren
Gio

Physicality?

Operating under the impression Muzzin is finished.

I'd look to see if the Canucks are ready to make some moves before their season is over.

Rutherford and Dubas have got together for deal before correct?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Operating under the impression Muzzin is finished.

I'd look to see if the Canucks are ready to make some moves before their season is over.

Rutherford and Dubas have got together for deal before correct?

I believe they did the Kapanen deal together.

 

[Stephen]

You're asking for something that doesn't exist for anybody, not just for Dubas. That's such an arbitrarily specific thing to draw conclusions from.
Dubas had Andersen for 3 years at 5m, so why would he be against Saros for (less than) 3 years at 5m?
He's shown that he's fine spending 5m on a goalie, and he's shown that he's fine committing 3 years to a goalie. Ones worse than Saros.
There's no reason to think that Dubas wouldn't be interested in Saros if he were available.

There’s no evidence he’s ever gone after a goalie at Saros’ price point and contract length.

Andersen doesn’t count. He inherited him from Lou and went much cheaper in Campbell as a replacement. He also brought in Murray who came in under the $5 million threshold and was only signed to 2 years. Mrazek signed for 3 years but came in under the $5 million mark.

 

[ACC1224]

Operating under the impression Muzzin is finished.

I'd look to see if the Canucks are ready to make some moves before their season is over.

Rutherford and Dubas have got together for deal before correct?

Yep, I'm sure Rutherford would be licking his chops for another opportunity.

 

[andora]

I think if we have Sandin, Liljegren, and Kral plus if Niemela wants to contend for a spot the blueline will not have the right mix.

One young defenseman I would be curious about is Bowen Byram. Can Colorado afford to re-sign him? If so, does it increase the likelihood that any one of Toews, Manson or Girard shakes loose? Each one of those guys has some pros and cons but could help Toronto.

Scott Mayfield from the Island would be a good UFA target. Gavrikov would be another.

Byram will be re signed and girard sacrificed if need be

Operating under the impression Muzzin is finished.

I'd look to see if the Canucks are ready to make some moves before their season is over.

Rutherford and Dubas have got together for deal before correct?

Canucks outside of schenn i dont think have any viable option to help the leafs

 

[Rob Brown]

Wild gm Guerin laugh you off the phone. In what world do you think 2 players signed to 3 years extension this offseason including min #1d in Jacob Middleton along with duhaime Are traded? Not even realistic

lol I think that’s a bad deal for the Leafs

 

[Advanced stats]

Connor Murphy please.

Rielly - Murphy
Gio - brodie
Sandin - Liljegren

 

[Dekes For Days]

There’s no evidence he’s ever gone after a goalie at Saros’ price point and contract length.
Andersen doesn’t count. He inherited him from Lou and went much cheaper in Campbell as a replacement. He also brought in Murray who came in under the $5 million threshold and was only signed to 2 years. Mrazek signed for 3 years but came in under the $5 million mark.

There is evidence that he is fine with his goalie making 5m, there is evidence that he is fine with his goalie making 5m for 3 years, and there is evidence that he is fine committing 3 years to a goalie himself. Literally every piece of evidence suggests that he would be fine going after Saros.

Andersen was acquired by Lou, but Dubas still had him there for 3 years at 5m. It's illogical to conclude he's not okay with something he literally did with a worse goalie. Campbell/Mrazek/Murray were not acquired for a Saros role, so they are obviously not going to get the exact same kind of commitments. A Saros has not been available during Dubas' tenure, much less one at that age, cap hit, and term, so you can't really say anything about what Dubas would do if one did become available.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

lol I think that’s a bad deal for the Leafs

That poster thinks that the defenceman playing 4th - 5th most TOI nightly is somehow also a #1d man.

I wanted Middleton bad last year but he's not that good.

 

[Torontonian]

Operating under the impression Muzzin is finished.

I'd look to see if the Canucks are ready to make some moves before their season is over.

Rutherford and Dubas have got together for deal before correct?

That’s my impression, what Dman on Vancouver would you go after? They have made deals
Regarding Dermott, Myers / OEL / are no gos, and I think you need better then Luke Schenn to replace Muzzin.

My eyes are also on St.Louis, with them struggling, I wonder if Parenkyo is available. Muzzin is a big hole to fill and to replace him with someone similar caliber is going to take some decent assets.

 

[Fogelhund]

That’s my impression, what Dman on Vancouver would you go after? They have made deals
Regarding Dermott, Myers / OEL / are no gos, and I think you need better then Luke Schenn to replace Muzzin.

My eyes are also on St.Louis, with them struggling, I wonder if Parenkyo is available. Muzzin is a big hole to fill and to replace him with someone similar caliber is going to take some decent assets.

Just my opinion, but Parayko is as well overpaid #4 D man, that has struggled being asked to play higher in the lineup. He looked decent when he played behind, or with Pietrangelo, but not since. He had a significant back injury as well, and his play hasn't been as good since. I don't think we should be going for a 29 year old D, who has had back issues.

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[TMLAM34]

Byram will be re signed and girard sacrificed if need be

Canucks outside of schenn i dont think have any viable option to help the leafs

I don’t even think Schenn would really help us…

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Although most people probably saw this coming, the Leafs are now in the unenviable position of needing to make an in season trade for defensive help.

I think the target should be someone comparable to Brodie who can drive play and be a stabilizing but unspectacular presence out there. Someone like Dylan DeMelo or Matt Roy would be ideal

 

[ACC1224]

I don’t even think Schenn would really help us…

He would help 100%, never thought I'd say that.
Maybe Saturday was an anomaly, but he looked like a different player.
Not as a Muzzin replacement, bottom pair.

 

[Torontonian]

Just my opinion, but Parayko is as well overpaid #4 D man, that has struggled being asked to play higher in the lineup. He looked decent when he played behind, or with Pietrangelo, but not since. He had a significant back injury as well, and his play hasn't been as good since. I don't think we should be going for a 29 year old D, who has had back issues.

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That’s fair, in Toronto case, he’s not playing behind Petro but he still wouldn’t be playing on the top pair.

Whoever Toronto goes after, if it’s a top 4 dman (which I think is a must, I don’t think you can try to put bottom 6 players like Schenn, Benn etc to fill a top 4 hole come playoffs) needs to be signed longer term. Toronto is going to have to trade probably a quality prospect and some picks to get a top 4 dman, can’t trade that for someone whose not here for long term.

 

[andora]

I don’t even think Schenn would really help us…

He could to load management giordano and play with sandin.

He would help 100%, never thought I'd say that.
Maybe Saturday was an anomaly, but he looked like a different player.
Not as a Muzzin replacement, bottom pair.

100%

 

[Fogelhund]

That’s fair, in Toronto case, he’s not playing behind Petro but he still wouldn’t be playing on the top pair.

Whoever Toronto goes after, if it’s a top 4 dman (which I think is a must, I don’t think you can try to put bottom 6 players like Schenn, Benn etc to fill a top 4 hole come playoffs) needs to be signed longer term. Toronto is going to have to trade probably a quality prospect and some picks to get a top 4 dman, can’t trade that for someone whose not here for long term.

We've gone through this a few times, but I think some of the options include, at least for the moment.... Murphy and Peeke for RHD. Not a lot of options, from teams that seem to be missing the playoffs this year. It's early though, so some teams might come back to earth later on, so we might have more options. I looked for players with term, who are good defensively.

Schenn has solidified Hughes play... I'm not sure they bother moving him, given his return wouldn't be great. They are looking to move higher contracts as well, so maybe if you wanted something else, you could get him in a package deal?

 

[Al14]

I don’t even think Schenn would really help us…

He would make my Schenn Leaf jersey relevant again! Other than that, it's a hard no from me,

 

[TMLAM34]

When we were an up and coming team, we relied on skill and speed. It seems like we’ve forgotten the speed part nowadays. A defensive pairing of Sandin - Schenn would be a diaster IMO. Opposing teams would skate circles around them.

If we had a strong top four, sure add Schenn on the third pair. But our top four is what really needs help.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I'd target Jeannot + Murphy.
To
Nashville
2023 1st
Robertson
2024 2nd
Kerfoot

To
Toronto
Jeannot
Trenin

To
Chicago
2024 1st
Kral
Engvall

To
Toronto
Murphy


Bunting. Matthews. Marner
Jeannot. Tavares. Nylander
Trenin. Kampf. Jarnkrok
Malgin. Holmberg. Zar
Simmonds

Reilly. Murphy
Gio. Brodie
Sandin. Liljegren

Samsonov
Murray