Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[TMLAM34]

It would be a very Leafie happening if we got the type of forward who could lead the team to the next level (O'Reilly) and it turns out he's finished as a significant player.

Foligno 2.0.

But no, I doubt that.

 

[andora]

Oreilly would be a dream add, amazing player... but i dont see the blues moving him. I think maybe oreilly this year is what tavares will be in his final year.. stick around with perhaps a bit less of a contract

I like the idea of edmondson, good glue defenceman that plays a ROLE and can play on any pairing when the other pairings are both solid

The defence needs to be three pairings running equally through a game..

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

The defence needs to be three pairings running equally through a game..

Yep, our d core will need to follow the Carolina Hurricanes d core philosophy from their Cup year - keep everyone fresh, pairing somewhat equal.

 

[andora]

Yep, our d core will need to follow the Carolina Hurricanes d core philosophy from their Cup year - keep everyone fresh, pairing somewhat equal.

Not just that but interchanging and not miss a beat. Last sever cup teams not only rolled out pairing after pairing but could interchange depending on situation, time in the game etc...

 

[TMLAM34]

Bertuzzi should be returning next week for the Red Wings. Hopefully they continue to loose and he becomes available. He’s probably my number 1 target come trade deadline or free agency if he hits it.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Not just that but interchanging and not miss a beat. Last sever cup teams not only rolled out pairing after pairing but could interchange depending on situation, time in the game etc...

What do you mean by this? The last several cup teams actually had quite a significant time discrepancy between their six defensemen.

 

[andora]

What do you mean by this? The last several cup teams actually had quite a significant time discrepancy between their six defensemen.

rotate the d-men through the pairs. leafs dmen as pairs this past playoffs - it was very distinctive they had three pairings, set pairings. i'm sure if you looked back at colorado/tampa/tampa/stlouis you would see ice time as pairings much more spread out, using multiple sets of pairings together not just three static set pairs.

i don't believe locking in three set pairings and staying with them is as effective anymore as coaches can adjust to that, where as being able to mix and match pairings based on time/zone/skill/need etc... is more effective and harder to match

 

[TMLAM34]

rotate the d-men through the pairs. leafs dmen as pairs this past playoffs - it was very distinctive they had three pairings, set pairings. i'm sure if you looked back at colorado/tampa/tampa/stlouis you would see ice time as pairings much more spread out, using multiple sets of pairings together not just three static set pairs.

i don't believe locking in three set pairings and staying with them is as effective anymore as coaches can adjust to that, where as being able to mix and match pairings based on time/zone/skill/need etc... is more effective and harder to match

I mean you can technically do that with the Leafs defenceman right now.

Rielly - Liljegren
Rielly - Brodie

Brodie - Holl

Giordano - Liljegren
Giordano - Brodie
Giordano - Holl
Giordano - Sandin

Sandin - Liljegren

All those pairings have been solid when used. We just need to upgrade IMO on Sandin/Holl heading into the playoffs.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Tampa rotated partners with Hedman. Tampa also had Hedman though.

 

[Stephen]

It seems like their is no middle of the lineup guys anymore.

You have your stars and your role players, but the days of the second/third line players are gone. The tweener offensive guys are being weeded out of NHL lineups.

Well, it is a 32 team league so you see some dilution. That said there are plenty of those Rielly Smith type guys floating around but you probably don’t want to pay them $5 million per season.

 

[Stephen]

It would be a very Leafie happening if we got the type of forward who could lead the team to the next level (O'Reilly) and it turns out he's finished as a significant player.

They’re only available because they’re done.

 

[Ashdown2]

They’re only available because they’re done.

also we don't need another defensive minded 0 offense generating player at this point.
Right now the leafs have the worst offense in every category in the atlantic. Even the pathetic sens have score more goals.
at some point if the combination of bunting, kerfoot, robertson engvall cant generate goals on the left hand side , they are going to make a move.


IMO, they should just target a "galchenuk" type (low cost) guy ASAP and see if that player can develop some chemistry with tavares or matthews.

 

[ULF_55]

also we don't need another defensive minded 0 offense generating player at this point.
Right now the leafs have the worst offense in every category in the atlantic. Even the pathetic sens have score more goals.
at some point if the combination of bunting, kerfoot, robertson engvall cant generate goals on the left hand side , they are going to make a move.


IMO, they should just target a "galchenuk" type (low cost) guy ASAP and see if that player can develop some chemistry with tavares or matthews.

Or they see if one of their PPG players in the AHL can skate in the NHL.

 

[JTK1967]

I watched the last few Chicago games, wanted to take a look at Murphy

Boy oh boy does Domi look tenacious right now. Seems like he must have really focused on his skating this last summer as he is just beating everyone to every loose puck. He started the season on a insane few game heater point wise and has since slowed down a bit.

Chicago got him and Athanesiou (sp?) for the purpose of getting rid of them.

Wonder if having another tenacious puck retriever in the top 6 would help balance the offence, or maybe even as a 3C to replace Kerfoot.

Kerfoot + prospect + pick for Domi@75%?
Both expiring contracts, Domi at 75% would save the Leafs 1.25m against the cap.
Domi is a pure salary deal, so Chicago would save cash in the deal and be able to flip Kerfoot closer to the TDL for more picks. Leafs go down to 49 contract spots in case someone is on waivers they want, they want to trade a pick for a player in case of injuries, or they want to sign a NCAA guy before the season is done (Knies?)

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Robertson - Tavares - Marner
Jarnkork - Domi - Knies
Malgin/Engval - Kampf - ZAR

 

[andora]

Domi is a bum

 

[Fogelhund]

also we don't need another defensive minded 0 offense generating player at this point.
Right now the leafs have the worst offense in every category in the atlantic. Even the pathetic sens have score more goals.
at some point if the combination of bunting, kerfoot, robertson engvall cant generate goals on the left hand side , they are going to make a move.


IMO, they should just target a "galchenuk" type (low cost) guy ASAP and see if that player can develop some chemistry with tavares or matthews.

Robertson is on a 20 goal pace... that's not terrible... he needs more runway.

Last year Bunting put up 63 points and was a revelation. This year he's on pace for 35. Sure some of that is he's missing assists on Matty's terrible shooting rate so far, but he's not shooting as much, and his shooting isn't as accurate either. He's also on pace to double his penalties from last year... and most aren't very good, or smart plays.

Kerfoot is another guy who has lost his shooting touch... 4.5%? Where did that go? He's a career 13% shooter. So as much as we can rag on him, about subpar play, his shooting should trend back to being better.

Engvall. he's also shooting at half his career rate.

It seems like we've run up against Vezina goalies every game this year, or we've just forgotten how to shoot? Shooting practise? (A bit of sarcasm there)

Engvall needs to sit a game, if he doesn't get it going. Let's give Steeves an opportunity, as he's been excelling at LW for the Marlies... though Anderson has been excellent at RW as well, and deserves an opportunity.

Give it a few more games, have the conversation after 20-30 games, and see where we are at then.

 

[Fogelhund]

Domi is a bum

He's having a pretty good season, but he's being fed minutes with Kane to boost his stats, and their return when they move him. I mean, you can credit him for some of the good work he's doing, and he does look motivated right now, but he's fighting to earn anything in the future, after being underwhelming for a bunch of seasons in a row.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Leafs - Predators
Nick Robertson, Pierre Engvall & Sens 3rd
for
Tanner Jeannot

Leafs - Wild
Rasmus Sandin, Alex Kerfoot & 1st
for
Jordan Greenway & Jacob Middleton

Leafs - Blues
Mid Pick/Meh prospect
for
Noel Acciari

Greenway - Matthews - Marner
Nylander - - Tavares - - Malgin
Bunting - - Jarnkrok - - Jeannot
AstonReese - Kampf - Acciari
Clifford/Douglas/Simmonds/McMann

Rielly - - - Liljegren
Middleton - Brodie
Giordano - - - Holl
Benn/Mete

Muzzin LTIR

 

[andora]

He's having a pretty good season, but he's being fed minutes with Kane to boost his stats, and their return when they move him. I mean, you can credit him for some of the good work he's doing, and he does look motivated right now, but he's fighting to earn anything in the future, after being underwhelming for a bunch of seasons in a row.

Yep.. but lol.. bum

 

[kb]

Leafs - Predators
Nick Robertson, Pierre Engvall & Sens 3rd
for
Tanner Jeannot

Leafs - Wild
Rasmus Sandin, Alex Kerfoot & 1st
for
Jordan Greenway & Jacob Middleton

Leafs - Blues
Mid Pick/Meh prospect
for
Noel Acciari

Greenway - Matthews - Marner
Nylander - - Tavares - - Malgin
Bunting - - Jarnkrok - - Jeannot
AstonReese - Kampf - Acciari
Clifford/Douglas/Simmonds/McMann

Rielly - - - Liljegren
Middleton - Brodie
Giordano - - - Holl
Benn/Mete

Muzzin LTIR

Since when is Middleton any more than a poor man's Chiarot clone?

I don't get the recent infatuation with other team's shit.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

We really need to overhaul the supporting cast. Kerfoot, Engvall, Holl, OUT. Players in the mold of Coleman, Gourde, and Bogosian IN.

 

[Stephen]

We really need to overhaul supporting cast. Kerfoot, Engvall, Holl, OUT. Players in the mold of Coleman, Gourde, and Bogosian IN.

You’d be fighting an uphill battle on that one trying to convince management to build a conventional supporting cast with that mixture of size and or grit. They just don’t believe in it.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

You’d be fighting an uphill battle on that one trying to convince management to build a conventional supporting cast with that mixture of size and or grit. They just don’t believe in it.

I have some hope. They have gone out and gotten guys like Foligno, Bogosian, Lyubushkin, and Blackwell before. The real obstacle is their loyalty to the three players I said they should replace. Holl and Engvall were on the Calder Cup team so Keefe and Dubas are far too attached to them. Kerfoot is constantly put into positions to succeed despite his vanilla-ness.

 

[ToneDog]

You’d be fighting an uphill battle on that one trying to convince management to build a conventional supporting cast with that mixture of size and or grit. They just don’t believe in it.

At this point, is it really worth giving up more assets for this group ?? Too late IMO. Let it play out and if they fail, it has to be the end of Shanny, Dubie and Keefer.

 

[IPS]

I have some hope. They have gone out and gotten guys like Foligno, Bogosian, Lyubushkin, and Blackwell before. The real obstacle is their loyalty to the three players I said they should replace. Holl and Engvall were on the Calder Cup team so Keefe and Dubas are far too attached to them. Kerfoot is constantly put into positions to succeed despite his vanilla-ness.

Kerfoot is Dubas' piece from the Kadri trade that he'll never let go. They're going to actively try to re-sign him in the offseason.

We really need to overhaul the supporting cast. Kerfoot, Engvall, Holl, OUT. Players in the mold of Coleman, Gourde, and Bogosian IN.

Doesn't even stop there.

They had a chance at last year's deadline to bring in a real impact piece in Hampus Lindholm. They had the cap space and everything with Muzzin's injury.

Instead they went to the discount bin yet again.