Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[arso40]

I’m not sure if i would want Kappy back at the same price as Engvall. Maybe that gives him a kick in the ass and he plays like he’s younger self with us.

Is engvall signed to a one year deal?

Kappy would drive the third line and change the overall feel of it physical penalty killer we need him rather than a soft engvall

 

[Amadeus]

Hope I'm not wrong about Robertson here because I really want him to do well, but his size and game as they are just aren't cutting it and you can see how patient Sheldon Keefe is trying to be with him but he is just not strong enough to hold on to the puck along the boards, and isn't even able to effectively lead a rush.

He's killing possession and that's really costing us to generate any sustained pressure on the opposition end. Last game was a text book example of that as Pittsburgh showed a masterclass is how to defend a one goal lead in the third. I can count maybe one decent scoring chance we had in the third and that was with Jarnkrok.

We just aren't constructed right as of right now and are extremely reliant on our big 4 to score with no real secondary offense. Our offense also isn't clicking that well because we aren't able to maintain possession for too long.

Really miss guys like Hyman and Mikheyev for the secondary scoring here. That ship has sailed, but I'm not expecting things to massively improve for us either. We're an above average team at the end of the day who will have to fight to make the playoffs.

 

[kb]

Kappy would drive the third line and change the overall feel of it physical penalty killer we need him rather than a soft engvall

If he could actually do what you were saying.....would he not be in the Pens lineup everyday?

There is a reason he is sitting.

 

[ToneDog]

Hope I'm not wrong about Robertson here because I really want him to do well, but his size and game as they are just aren't cutting it and you can see how patient Sheldon Keefe is trying to be with him but he is just not strong enough to hold on to the puck along the boards, and isn't even able to effectively lead a rush.

He's killing possession and that's really costing us to generate any sustained pressure on the opposition end. Last game was a text book example of that as Pittsburgh showed a masterclass is how to defend a one goal lead in the third. I can count maybe one decent scoring chance we had in the third and that was with Jarnkrok.

We just aren't constructed right as of right now and are extremely reliant on our big 4 to score with no real secondary offense. Our offense also isn't clicking that well because we aren't able to maintain possession for too long.

Really miss guys like Hyman and Mikheyev for the secondary scoring here. That ship has sailed, but I'm not expecting things to massively improve for us either. We're an above average team at the end of the day who will have to fight to make the playoffs.

Malgin, Kerfoot, Bunts, Robertson, Marner, ZAR = too many undersized forwards. Add a 6'5" Engvall who plays 5'9" and we are not beating anybody when the real season starts.

 

[Griffin76]

Youre right.. i missed that

I missed the retention, so pittsburgh pays basically same money for the same but worse player

My answer is i dont know, of course not. My point is he has not been able to seize a long term opportunity as an impact player .. moves up and down the lineup .. we have those.. no impact here

There was a plus there after Engvall. Plus Pittsburgh would be free of Kapanen's second year.

 

[andora]

There was a plus there after Engvall. Plus Pittsburgh would be free of Kapanen's second year.

Ok?

 

[Stephen]

Malgin, Kerfoot, Bunts, Robertson, Marner, ZAR = too many undersized forwards. Add a 6'5" Engvall who plays 5'9" and we are not beating anybody when the real season starts.

For some reason, the Leafs ideal player type seems to be a versatile second to third line hybrid center/winger who is 5'10", has good skating, solid practice puckhandling abilities at speed through the neutral zone and is heady enough to complete a series of small area passes with other guys who are exactly the same. In terms of board work, scoring touch, hitting, size, willingness to go into traffic, we'll figure that stuff out later.

 

[andora]

For some reason, the Leafs ideal player type seems to be a versatile second to third line hybrid center/winger who is 5'10", has good skating, solid practice puckhandling abilities at speed through the neutral zone and is heady enough to complete a series of small area passes with other guys who are exactly the same. In terms of board work, scoring touch, hitting, size, willingness to go into traffic, we'll figure that stuff out later.

What stats are you looking at lol

 

[Griffin76]

Ok?

That's the incentive for Pittsburgh to take the worse player.

 

[andora]

That's the incentive for Pittsburgh to take the worse player.

I dont get it for either team

 

[Griffin76]

I dont get it for either team

Then walk away from it. I get it as 2 players struggling so you give them each a chance for a new start.

 

[Stephen]

What stats are you looking at lol

Kerfoot
Malgin
Jarnkrok
Carcone
Petan
Blackwell
Abruzzesse
Hirvonen

 

[andora]

Then walk away from it. I get it as 2 players struggling so you give them each a chance for a new start.

Then atleast trade for a player that brings something this team doesnt have

More skating, stickchecking, and bland play is so pointless. After he has 10 points in 10 games to start it will be back to the norm

Being in someone with emotion.. we can use some of that

Kerfoot
Malgin
Jarnkrok
Carcone
Petan
Blackwell
Abruzzesse
Hirvonen

You didnt have to answer hehe

 

[Stephen]

Then atleast trade for a player that brings something this team doesnt have

More skating, stickchecking, and bland play is so pointless. After he has 10 points in 10 games to start it will be back to the norm

Being in someone with emotion.. we can use some of that


You didnt have to answer hehe

Hah! Well, it's kind of crazy in a way that we have these guys. Beyond the big hockey philosophy debates they're just boring to watch night after night.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Kerfoot
Malgin
Jarnkrok
Carcone
Petan
Blackwell
Abruzzesse
Hirvonen

And the players going the other way for the ones we traded for:

Kadri
Marchment
Leivo
Lindholm

They brought a bit of a different skill set.

Similar over-saturation on D, except without the emphasis on skating ability. Sandin, Duszak, Hollowell, Hoefenmayer, Villeneueve, Rindell. Clearly the plan is to use four forward on the powerplay, meaning only two defenseman need to be competent powerplay QBs. Yet we're always going after flawed offensive defensemen. I don't get it.

 

[Stephen]

And the players going the other way for the ones we traded for:

Kadri
Marchment
Leivo
Lindholm

They brought a bit of a different skill set.

Similar over-saturation on D, except without the emphasis on skating ability. Sandin, Duszak, Hollowell, Hoefenmayer, Villeneueve, Rindell. Clearly the plan is to use four forward on the powerplay, meaning only two defenseman need to be competent powerplay QBs. Yet we're always going after flawed offensive defensemen. I don't get it.

Feels like the whole Dubas era has been an over correction on Jamie Devane, Luke Schenn, Kenny Ryan, Freddie Gauthier and Tyler Biggs type players.

The plot twist is there’s nothing wrong with those types of players. Just what is the organizational mix, if your big guys pan out and how they can be used to protect the precious skill and where you pick them in the draft. There’s just something intellectually wrong with the way the Leaf philosophy has been shaped by the past.

 

[TMLAM34]

Feels like the whole Dubas era has been an over correction on Jamie Devane, Luke Schenn, Kenny Ryan, Freddie Gauthier and Tyler Biggs type players.

The plot twist is there’s nothing wrong with those types of players. Just what is the organizational mix, if your big guys pan out and how they can be used to protect the precious skill and where you pick them in the draft. There’s just something intellectually wrong with the way the Leaf philosophy has been shaped by the past.

Seems like they can’t find a common ground. They’re either too aggressive one way or the other and shoot themselves in the foot. They need to find a good mix of players and not just one dimensional players.

 

[ULF_55]

Feels like the whole Dubas era has been an over correction on Jamie Devane, Luke Schenn, Kenny Ryan, Freddie Gauthier and Tyler Biggs type players.

The plot twist is there’s nothing wrong with those types of players. Just what is the organizational mix, if your big guys pan out and how they can be used to protect the precious skill and where you pick them in the draft. There’s just something intellectually wrong with the way the Leaf philosophy has been shaped by the past.

You know Rielly is supposedly 222 lbs.?

He's 2nd. heaviest on team after Muzzin?

 

[andora]

Hah! Well, it's kind of crazy in a way that we have these guys. Beyond the big hockey philosophy debates they're just boring to watch night after night.

Yep.. boring sadly is the correct word

 

[Fogelhund]

We really need to overhaul the supporting cast. Kerfoot, Engvall, Holl, OUT. Players in the mold of Coleman, Gourde, and Bogosian IN.

When your top line is pacing for 31 goals, instead of the 81 from last year, the supporting cast is irrelevant.

 

[Stephen]

You know Rielly is supposedly 222 lbs.?

He's 2nd. heaviest on team after Muzzin?

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More of a sluggish 222 than an imposing 222 if accurate.

 

[ULF_55]

More of a sluggish 222 than an imposing 222 if accurate.

And yet, his prime attribute is skating?

Hits per 60.

Engvall - 5.3
Rielly - 2.39

 

[Stephen]

Seems like they can’t find a common ground. They’re either too aggressive one way or the other and shoot themselves in the foot. They need to find a good mix of players and not just one dimensional players.

Yeah if I were to summarize my issues with Toronto and kind of leave some notes for the next management group it would be to just draft a diverse group of prospects with different skill sets and body types for different promotion streams. Spend fewer assets trying to find Torey Krug and Jonathan Marchessault and have a proper understanding of what your core group is missing and needs to succeed. If you don’t have killer instinct. Go get killers. Draft killers. Develop a killer room. Bring in multiple veteran killers with cups on the resume to help. But, no.

 

[Stephen]

And yet, his prime attribute is skating?

Hits per 60.

Engvall - 5.3
Rielly - 2.39

Honestly, does Rielly even look fast out there?

 

[justashadowof]

Have we forgotten Jake Gardiner who looked like a scary bad ass in his civvies and an Ice Dance champion playing hockey?