Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[SprDaVE]

If Muzzin is out long term I wonder if we go with forward upgrades instead of defense. You could in theory add a group of say O'Reilly @50%, Horvat @50% and Jenner while only needing to remove Kerfoot and Engvall.

Jarnkrok moved would allow you to either run a 22 man roster or upgrade the defense as well. Assuming Robertson would be moved for one of these guys or sent down, the forward group could look like this:

O'Reilly-Matthews-Marner
Jenner-Tavares-Nylander
Bunting-Horvat-Jarnkrok/Anderson
ZAR-Kampf-Malgin

Double down on the forwards. I can see it. Not sure they'll have the assets to trade for ROR AND Horvat at 50% though. That seems like a lot of future assets for 2 pending UFAs. One should be plenty.

 

[Dreakmur]

Wild gm Guerin laugh you off the phone. In what world do you think 2 players signed to 3 years extension this offseason including min #1d in Jacob Middleton along with duhaime Are traded? Not even realistic

Middleton plays 18 mins a night.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

Middleton plays 18 mins a night.

And is Minnesota 1st pairing d with spurgeon. Was just given 3 years extension this offseason

In what world is Jacob Middleton a #1D? And I’m a huge fan of his.

In Minnesota. He plays with spurgeon because since spurgeon is small, teams take advantage of him

 

[LeafChief]

And is Minnesota 1st pairing d with spurgeon. Was just given 3 years extension this offseason


In Minnesota. He plays with spurgeon because since spurgeon is small, teams take advantage of him

Mike Kostka played on the leafs '1st pair'. He wasn't a 1st pairing defenceman.

 

[TMLAM34]

Mike Kostka played on the leafs '1st pair'. He wasn't a 1st pairing defenceman.

Let’s move Holl up with Rielly to make him a 1st pairing defenceman and sell high!

 

[Dekes For Days]

And is Minnesota 1st pairing d with spurgeon.

Playing next to Spurgeon doesn't make somebody a #1D.

 

[Americanadian]

Assuming status quo this season (1st round loss) Horvat would be a very interesting get for the Leafs in the off-season if the Leafs moved out Marner or Willy. I assume Horvat would get the Kadri deal 7x7. If the Leafs could pull off Dobson for Marner and sign Horvat for 7M they are cap neutral.

Bunting-Matthews-Nylander
Robertson-Tavares-X
Knies-Horvat-Steeves
ZAR-Kampf-Malgin

Rielly-Liljegren
Sandin-Dobson
Giordano-Brodie

Murray
Samsonov

Muzzin (5.626), Kerfoot (3.5), Engvall (2.25) pay for raises for Kampf (2?), Bunting (3.5?), Samsonov (3?) and a 2RW Brown?

 

[leafan11]

Says Toronto decline due to the futures involved, my guess is once Chicago wanted Knies involved, the deal/conversation ended.

I can’t remember which podcast I heard it but it was heavily implied Shanny stepped in and blocked the trade.

 

[TMLAM34]

Double down on the forwards. I can see it. Not sure they'll have the assets to trade for ROR AND Horvat at 50% though. That seems like a lot of future assets for 2 pending UFAs. One should be plenty.

I wouldn’t want to trade any quality future assets for any rentals.

I can see St. Louis working with ROR in finding him a good fit if he wants to leave which would probably involve a contract extension. Then I wouldn’t mind parting with a 1st or whagever

Assuming status quo this season (1st round loss) Horvat would be a very interesting get for the Leafs in the off-season if the Leafs moved out Marner or Willy. I assume Horvat would get the Kadri deal 7x7. If the Leafs could pull off Dobson for Marner and sign Horvat for 7M they are cap neutral.

Bunting-Matthews-Nylander
Robertson-Tavares-X
Knies-Horvat-Steeves
ZAR-Kampf-Malgin

Rielly-Liljegren
Sandin-Dobson
Giordano-Brodie

Murray
Samsonov

Muzzin (5.626), Kerfoot (3.5), Engvall (2.25) pay for raises for Kampf (2?), Bunting (3.5?), Samsonov (3?) and a 2RW Brown?

I don’t see Horvat being okay with playing behind Matthews and Tavares. ROR seems like a better fit IMO.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Wild gm Guerin laugh you off the phone. In what world do you think 2 players signed to 3 years extension this offseason including min #1d in Jacob Middleton along with duhaime Are traded? Not even realistic

I am sorry, but are you saying Middleton is a #1d?

I'd expect nothing less from somehow who cowardly hides their post history.

 

[Americanadian]

I don’t see Horvat being okay with playing behind Matthews and Tavares. ROR seems like a better fit IMO.

You can pencil him in as 2C if he has an ego. With the wingers proposed it doesn't really matter. He would still get his minutes on PP1 with Marner out of the picture and he would get PK1 so he would realistically play the highest minutes among forwards since no one else would play PP1 and PK1. I prefer Horvat over ROR due to age and I'd rather have the guy who hasn't won a cup and is still hungry. ROR looks lifeless this year (from what I've seen) and he will be 32 next summer. Horvat will be 28.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

We can't resign Horvat, so that doesn't work. He will cost more than ROR, due to RFA status. He's having a much better season, too, although ROR brings more anger.

 

[sylejman]

We can't resign Horvat, so that doesn't work. He will cost more than ROR, due to RFA status. He's having a much better season, too, although ROR brings more anger.

Love ROR, such a beast and bread and butter player with alot of skill to add. That would make so much better.

 

[Americanadian]

We can't resign Horvat.

At 7x7 that's just 1 Muzzin and half of Kerfoot.

 

[TMLAM34]

At 7x7 that's just 1 Muzzin and half of Kerfoot.

His agent just mentioned how Horvat is a number 1 center on any team in the league. He’s not going to want to come and play behind Matthews and Tavares. He’ll also expect to get paid as a number 1 center.

I’d love to get Horvat, don't get me wrong but don’t think it’s possible or worth paying the price for a rental.

 

[Americanadian]

His agent just mentioned how Horvat is a number 1 center on any team in the league. He’s not going to want to come and play behind Matthews and Tavares. He’ll also expect to get paid as a number 1 center.

I’d love to get Horvat, don't get me wrong but don’t think it’s possible or worth paying the price for a rental.

Didn't we just do this with Kadri?

 

[The Podium]

And is Minnesota 1st pairing d with spurgeon. Was just given 3 years extension this offseason


In Minnesota. He plays with spurgeon because since spurgeon is small, teams take advantage of him

Brodin - Dumba is their number 1 pairing

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

At 7x7 that's just 1 Muzzin and half of Kerfoot.

I think he gets more, and I also think I'd rather spend that on a dman to play with Mo.

Murphy and ROR

 

[Joseph Nathan]

Brodin - Dumba is their number 1 pairing

That was broken up dating back to like game 3: false

 

[Fogelhund]

That was broken up dating back to like game 3: false

1	126:38	44.8	JONAS BRODIN - MATT DUMBA
2	78:42	27.9	JONAS BRODIN - CALEN ADDISON
3	62:21	22.1	JARED SPURGEON - JONAS BRODIN

Hmmmm

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

That was broken up dating back to like game 3: false

Then why do they currently sit 2nd in icetime?

 

[The Podium]

That was broken up dating back to like game 3: false

Not only is this their current lineup for tonight

But Middleton is 2-3 minutes less TOI than Brodin, Dumba or Spurgeon

He is clearly their #4 guy

 

[Fogelhund]

Didn't we just do this with Kadri?

Horvat isn't going to play as a #3C, or even #2C... it's just not going to happen. If you want him as a rental, fair enough, but don't be under any pretenses that he'll do anything but go to UFA, and maximize his value.

 

[The Podium]

It seems like their is no middle of the lineup guys anymore.

You have your stars and your role players, but the days of the second/third line players are gone. The tweener offensive guys are being weeded out of NHL lineups.

 

[Americanadian]

I think he gets more, and I also think I'd rather spend that on a dman to play with Mo.

Murphy and ROR

0 chance Murphy+ROR=Horvat in salary.