Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[HomelessPepper]

St Louis says no.

Yes, most likely. They've ridden it out before, and it worked out. Would only work if StL wants a shakeup and values Marner.

 

[Gabriel426]

Pierre McGuire apparently (not sure if legit...).

I've been thinking of 2 possible "core shakeup" trades lately, one which was Horvat:

Marner for Horvat+ (would love a dman, but their dmen suck...)

Marner + Kerfoot for Tarasenko + O'Reilly (cap nearly even, shakes up both teams)

It's hard to say we win either of these trades as Marner is probably the best player in both, but I think our core needs a shakeup.

I don’t see MM for Horvat + even though Nucks would love to make that trade. Imagine MM playing on a line with Boeser and Miller.
I do see the Blues deal as I mentioned it before but that’s got to do with the direction the MGT is planning than making a hockey deal.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Is it possible to make a large deal for Kane and Murphy if Muzzin is out for the year??

Something like

1st round pick
Sandin
Engvall
Robertson
Steeves

Would that be enough??
Obviously it would be Kane at 50 percent retention
Bring up Knies at end of season to play with Matthews and Kane to kind of protect them and he has good enough hands to keep up

Knies Matthews Kane
Bunting Tavares Marner
Jarnkrok Kerfoot Nylander
ZAR Kampf Simmonds

Rielly Murphy
Giordano Lilly
Brodie Holl(ideally would like to replace with a tougher D for 15-17 minutes per game and

 

[andora]

I don’t see MM for Horvat + even though Nucks would love to make that trade. Imagine MM playing on a line with Boeser and Miller.
I do see the Blues deal as I mentioned it before but that’s got to do with the direction the MGT is planning than making a hockey deal.

Outside of futures based packages and sandin or liljegren i dont think anything else is realistic from a vancouver point of view

And boeser would likely be dumped in this deal for monies sake.. or myers

Marner is too big a swing and doesnt necessarily represent a culture changer type move

 

[Gabriel426]

Outside of futures based packages and sandin or liljegren i dont think anything else is realistic from a vancouver point of view

And boeser would likely be dumped in this deal for monies sake.. or myers

Marner is too big a swing and doesnt necessarily represent a culture changer type move

If there is a Nucks deal with Horvat.
It will most likely be MM and Holl for Horvat and Myers plus pick.
I think Nucks want playoffs more than anything.
But I don’t think the Leafs would do that.

 

[Dragao6]

Agreed. Cant make a desperation trade now, you're gonna lose it.

And its not like trading Holl or Kerfoot or some other depth guy is gonna make a difference.

Dont bail these players out, let them try to figure it out. And if they cant, take your lottery pick and the new gm can decide where to go from there.

Everyone is mad at the big boys including me everyone wants them traded but have they ever had a good strong support roster around them?
They get paid allot but always finishing top 10 in scoring

For how long have we been complaining about having average defence
When was the last time we had a legit goaltender, not superstar just good starter?
And bottom 6 is the best we could get with cap available
Now there have def been mistakes, Murray and keeping Muzzin the biggest but if Muzzin is down and get rid of holl that’s almost 8 million in cap?
An adam Larson and conner Murphy type would make our defence legit

Sandin and a 2nd might get u 1 and a 1st the other?
Try Gibson in nets or fleury

And if kerfoot and engval goes then we can look at better bottom 6 player that play hard and can skate
That’s the kind of moves I’d like to see
Give these guys a legit support roster before we trade some of the most skilled players in the league

Better days are coming
We will have some cap on the coming years maybe with a new gm and coach (trotz rumour ). Let’s see what the experts will do

 

[TMLAM34]

If we’re trading Marner, there better be a lot more coming with Horvat. Especially when you factor in he’s an upcoming UFA…

Marner for Provorov + Konecny. I’d rather see a deal around that. Obviously other pieces would be involved in a deal that big.

 

[TheShape]

The deal for me, was something around Marner for Matthew Tkachuk, but I don't think MLSE would want to be associated with a character like Tkachuk, which is exactly what this team needs.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

If there is a Nucks deal with Horvat.
It will most likely be MM and Holl for Horvat and Myers plus pick.
I think Nucks want playoffs more than anything.
But I don’t think the Leafs would do that.

Horvat is nowhere near Marners level and is a pending UFA. You offer a pick and a prospect for him, not a top 5 RW on the league with control.

 

[ToneDog]

If we’re trading Marner, there better be a lot more coming with Horvat. Especially when you factor in he’s an upcoming UFA…

Marner for Provorov + Konecny. I’d rather see a deal around that. Obviously other pieces would be involved in a deal that big.

I'd rather move him to Nashville for Jeanot+Askarov+1st+. Not sure how much we'd need to add for them to include Tomassino or Fabbro. Of course they may have to send money back to fit Marner in under their cap.

 

[notdoneyet]

Marner is not getting traded. Not with this management group or even the next one.
I know that this goes against some of your agendas but in real life he will not be traded.

 

[TheShape]

Marner is not getting traded. Not with this management group or even the next one.
I know that this goes against some of your agendas but in real life he will not be traded.

What are you basing this on? Current group don't have the balls to do it, I agree, but what's stopping the next regime?

 

[ULF_55]

Outside of futures based packages and sandin or liljegren i dont think anything else is realistic from a vancouver point of view

And boeser would likely be dumped in this deal for monies sake.. or myers

Marner is too big a swing and doesnt necessarily represent a culture changer type move

To start, after this season Horvat is UFA and marner has a two years left.

There'd have to be a new contract for Horvat for that trade to make any sense for the Leafs. New contract is minimum 8+, so can't really use marner-Horvat=5.4mm capspace.

Horvat is 2 years older, and a hot start doesn't make him a PPG player.

But, I'd be okay with a deal for Horvat, but marner might just be too rich for the Canucks.

 

[andora]

To start, after this season Horvat is UFA and marner has a two years left.

There'd have to be a new contract for Horvat for that trade to make any sense for the Leafs. New contract is minimum 8+, so can't really use marner-Horvat=5.4mm capspace.

Horvat is 2 years older, and a hot start doesn't make him a PPG player.

But, I'd be okay with a deal for Horvat, but marner might just be too rich for the Canucks.

Definitely too rich and they are winger heavy already

Toronto could pluck a good package from vancouver in my opinion if both wanted it to happen

 

[Al14]

Marner is not getting traded. Not with this management group or even the next one.
I know that this goes against some of your agendas but in real life he will not be traded.

Well, one of the big 4 forwards needs to be traded in order to balance out the cap spent between forwards and defense.

I like the previous Flyer trade idea. Here's my expanded suggestion:

To Toronto - Ivan Provorov, Travis Konecny, Carter Hart, plus a 2nd round draft pick.

To Philly - Mitch Marner, Rasmus Sandin, Keith Petruzzelli, plus a 3rd round draft pick

I didn't check the cap implications or values. Our Leafs might have to retain $3M on Marner to make this happen.

Flame away!

 

[ULF_55]

Definitely too rich and they are winger heavy already

Toronto could pluck a good package from vancouver in my opinion if both wanted it to happen

More relistic proposal would be around Nylander for Horvat with add-ons from both sides.

 

[andora]

More relistic proposal would be around Nylander for Horvat with add-ons from both sides.

Agreed .. more realistic than marner but again not what they need

Vancouver would have to have another deal coincide to make it worth it

 

[4thline]

I wonder how much of a game of chicken we're in regarding Pietruzzelli's ELC. Wouldn't surprise me that if NAK is claimed it gets done soon after. Big guy with draft pedigree and AHL performance isn't going to be left alone forever.

 

[TMLAM34]

Well, one of the big 4 forwards needs to be traded in order to balance out the cap spent between forwards and defense.

I like the previous Flyer trade idea. Here's my expanded suggestion:

To Toronto - Ivan Provorov, Travis Konecny, Carter Hart, plus a 2nd round draft pick.

To Philly - Mitch Marner, Rasmus Sandin, Keith Petruzzelli, plus a 3rd round draft pick

I didn't check the cap implications or values. Our Leafs might have to retain $3M on Marner to make this happen.

Flame away!

We don’t really need Carter Hart, especially if Samsonov continues his current play.


To Toronto: Ivan Provorov + Travis Konecny + Tyson Foerster

To Philadelphia: Mitch Marner + Filip Kral

 

[ULF_55]

I wonder how much of a game of chicken we're in regarding Pietruzzelli's ELC. Wouldn't surprise me that if NAK is claimed it gets done soon after. Big guy with draft pedigree and AHL performance isn't going to be left alone forever.

Yeah, they could sign him to a future NHL deal.

So can they sign him to a futures NHL deal, and then sign him to a one year deal if they clear a contract?

 

[4thline]

Yeah, they could sign him to a future NHL deal.

So can they sign him to a futures NHL deal, and then sign him to a one year deal if they clear a contract?

I might be wrong, but I don't think you can sign a next season ELC until Jan 1.

 

[ULF_55]

I might be wrong, but I don't think you can sign a next season ELC until Jan 1.

Yeah, might be the case.

So next couple of months he's available to everyone.

 

[The Podium]

Well, one of the big 4 forwards needs to be traded in order to balance out the cap spent between forwards and defense.

I like the previous Flyer trade idea. Here's my expanded suggestion:

To Toronto - Ivan Provorov, Travis Konecny, Carter Hart, plus a 2nd round draft pick.

To Philly - Mitch Marner, Rasmus Sandin, Keith Petruzzelli, plus a 3rd round draft pick

I didn't check the cap implications or values. Our Leafs might have to retain $3M on Marner to make this happen.

Flame away!

Why does one of the big 4 NEED to be traded? Tavares is up soon and won’t re-sign anywhere close to his 11. You can keep all 4 and still reallocate the money at some point.

 

[uncleben]

Holy crap some of you are overvaluing mitch Marner. He's also a free agent next year. Philly laugh at you


Ur the most unrealistic here. Philly quickly says no

Marner is genuinely one of the best players in the league
I think you're undervaluing him

 

[Sebastien]

Marner is genuinely one of the best players in the league
I think you're undervaluing him

He's a free agent next year. A winger also. Not A C like eichel who got three 1st round picks or less