Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[Leaf Rocket]

#failforbedard

lose hard for bedard

 

[TMLAM34]

To Toronto: Adam Erne
To Detroit: Pierre Engvall

One for one. Both pending UFA’s.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Marner for Wilson+ as the base of a deal would be the kind of shake up we need. Let Marner feed Ovi to catch Gretzky's goal record if they're not pushing for another cup the next few years.

 

[stickty111]

Marner for Wilson+ as the base of a deal would be the kind of shake up we need. Let Marner feed Ovi to catch Gretzky's goal record if they're not pushing for another cup the next few years.

If we want a shakeup, Marner is the piece to trade. Gets you more in return and at least signals to the team don't relax. Trading Nylander doesn't do much

 

[Sebastien]

Marner for Wilson+ as the base of a deal would be the kind of shake up we need. Let Marner feed Ovi to catch Gretzky's goal record if they're not pushing for another cup the next few years.

Why would Washington trade Wilson much less to the leafs?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

"I think they recognize the second coming of Scotty Bowman is not winning with this defense, especially with the way it is constructed right now"

Friedman on 32 thoughts lol

I just find it hilarious that they harp on the defense when our ES offense is the third worst in the league while our defense is in the top half of the league (both in terms of expectation and actual results). The top PK unit needs to be better but all of them are good PKers so I have little concern about that with time.

There are plenty of stupid defensive mistakes coming from forwards too and the forwards have just as much to play in our defensive woes as our defense right now. Marner last game being the most recent example. They are blowing coverages, not skating to open up lanes for passes from the defense, and losing board battles... which has been a much larger issue than anything I have seen from the defense on a consistent basis.

The defense can certainly be better, but adding Liljegren over Mete/Kral is going to help a lot of the issues the defense is currently facing (and eases some of the pressure on Holl, Brodie, etc.).

There is no reprieve for that offense until the core guys start doing more at ES. The bottom 6 guys need to be better too, but we are already seeing a much improved 4th line with Engvall playing with Kampf, and I think we will eventually figure out the 3rd line...

 

[Martin Skoula]

If we want a shakeup, Marner is the piece to trade. Gets you more in return and at least signals to the team don't relax. Trading Nylander doesn't do much

For me it's more on the identity level, without Marner we stop looking like a team led by attention-seeking kids.

Why would Washington trade Wilson much less to the leafs?

He's got this year and next left on his contract, I don't know if they want to commit long-term money to him if it looks like they're going to be in a rebuild post-Ovi and Backstrom. Marner helps Ovi chase the goals record and they can move him with retention in his last year for a haul if they don't want to sign him.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

For me it's more on the identity level, without Marner we stop looking like a team led by attention-seeking kids.


He's got this year and next left on his contract, I don't know if they want to commit long-term money to him if it looks like they're going to be in a rebuild post-Ovi and Backstrom. Marner helps Ovi chase the goals record and they can move him with retention in his last year for a haul if they don't want to sign him.

Fine with trading Marner for the right deal. He is an elite player, but if we are looking for that Raptors-esque switch up, and Marner-Matthews is the Lowry-DeRozan of that group, then Marner is certainly the DeRozan more than Matthews (despite the styles being more fitting the other way). The problem is, we still need a ton of quality in return because cap space and a switch up is not enough of an incentive to move someone of that caliber... and I am not seeing a Leonard available

 

[Martin Skoula]

Fine with trading Marner for the right deal. He is an elite player, but if we are looking for that Raptors-esque switch up, and Marner-Matthews is the Lowry-DeRozan of that group, then Marner is certainly the DeRozan more than Matthews (despite the styles being more fitting the other way). The problem is, we still need a ton of quality in return because cap space and a switch up is not enough of an incentive to move someone of that caliber... and I am not seeing a Leonard available

Realistically we're not going to get full value for Marner in any trade, I'd rather prioritize getting a piece that is a strong fit for our weaknesses than getting a lesser version of Marner + bonus value in picks and prospects unless we're doing a full teardown + retool where we need the extra liquid capital to bring in pieces that fit.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Realistically we're not going to get full value for Marner in any trade, I'd rather prioritize getting a piece that is a strong fit for our weaknesses than getting a lesser version of Marner + bonus value in picks and prospects unless we're doing a full teardown + retool where we need the extra liquid capital to bring in pieces that fit.

Going for fit is not going to help us. If we trade Marner, it leaves a big hole. You need someone who can effectively fill that hole and enough of an incentive to warrant the downgrade.

Otherwise, you don't make the trade unless you are committed to stepping back and starting a proper retool with a younger group. That would be fine except Matthews may not want to deal with that.

 

[Menzinger]

IF the team word to trade Marner, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't get full value. He's seen around the league is being an excellent player,. And if a young guy like him was on the market, I have no doubt teens would scramble to try and add them.

If it were to happen, I would want it to signal a larger shift in the structure of the team. So I would likely actually want a package deal. Give me a blue chip prospect, a 1st, and a young top 9 winger. Or give me a young top 4D with room to grow plus either a young top six forward, or blue chip prospect.

That's Not to say unnecessarily aboard the "we need to trade him " train just yet. Definitely a tough decision to make if it comes down to it. What will shape if they're going to trade him, and what they will trade him for, ultimately comes down for the new vision of the team And that's way too early to speculate on

 

[leafsfan5]

Meh a knee jerk reaction trade isn’t what’s needed now. The issues run deeper than that. Let the core drown this team and look to shake it up in the off-season, while drafting as high as you can.

Yup, the big deal we make is one we cannot lose. Whether it's dealing Marner or Nylander, we have to make sure it fits our needs and goals. Take our time and get it done during the summer

Also, Dubas should not be the one doing this re-tool. Bring in the new management to assess the situation and make their choices. That switch also likely won't happen till the summer

In the meantime, you can trim some of the fat. Holl, Engvall, Kerfoot should all be on the market

 

[LeafSteel]

If it's Marner being traded, I don't want Dubas being the one to do it.

Sorry, but he loses trades more often than not. The return for Kadri was pitiful and a waste of our best asset, and the Murray trade shows he's learned nothing.

Dubas needs to stop trying to make "fair" trades and go for wins. I really don't feel that other GM's take him seriously.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Yup, the big deal we make is one we cannot lose. Whether it's dealing Marner or Nylander, we have to make sure it fits our needs and goals. Take our time and get it done during the summer

Also, Dubas should not be the one doing this re-tool. Bring in the new management to assess the situation and make their choices. That switch also likely won't happen till the summer

In the meantime, you can trim some of the fat. Holl, Engvall, Kerfoot should all be on the market

Moving those guys would be a retool move too, and not one you make until the TDL.

If it's Marner being traded, I don't want Dubas being the one to do it.

Sorry, but he loses trades more often than not. The return for Kadri was pitiful and a waste of our best asset, and the Murray trade shows he's learned nothing.

Dubas needs to stop trying to make "fair" trades and go for wins. I really don't feel that other GM's take him seriously.

Kadri wasn't worth more than what he returned at the time, and he sucked in the role he played so his value would have only got worse.

 

[leafsfan5]

Moving those guys would be a retool move too, and not one you make until the TDL.



Kadri wasn't worth more than what he returned at the time, and he sucked in the role he played so his value would have only got worse.

You can call it a re-tool if you want, but in terms of what we're discussing those are minor moves. The actual re-tool is in the offseason when you move a core piece out and bring in new management

 

[Gabriel426]

I would make a trade with the Blues.
MM, Kerfoot and Holl for ROR, Tarasenko and Bortuzzo plus their 1st.

That would shape the core.

 

[andora]

I would make a trade with the Blues.
MM, Kerfoot and Holl for ROR, Tarasenko and Bortuzzo plus their 1st.

That would shape the core.

Geez.. i couldnt see st louis trading oreilly straight up for marner

So we get tank and a first for kerfoot and bortuzzo for holl

I dont think this trade is fair

 

[Sebastien]

I would make a trade with the Blues.
MM, Kerfoot and Holl for ROR, Tarasenko and Bortuzzo plus their 1st.

That would shape the core.

St Louis very quickly hangs up!

 

[Heldig]

Not to pile on, Jets need a top 6 forward...they dont have the pieces to acquire Marner but maybe Nylander is available for lesser parts?

Anything enticing for Leaf fans (knowing this is a move to get better now / change chemistry)?

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

If Kerfoot kept his stick on the ice instead of celebrating he should've had a free tap in.

 

[Jozay]

I just find it hilarious that they harp on the defense when our ES offense is the third worst in the league while our defense is in the top half of the league (both in terms of expectation and actual results). The top PK unit needs to be better but all of them are good PKers so I have little concern about that with time.

There are plenty of stupid defensive mistakes coming from forwards too and the forwards have just as much to play in our defensive woes as our defense right now. Marner last game being the most recent example. They are blowing coverages, not skating to open up lanes for passes from the defense, and losing board battles... which has been a much larger issue than anything I have seen from the defense on a consistent basis.

The defense can certainly be better, but adding Liljegren over Mete/Kral is going to help a lot of the issues the defense is currently facing (and eases some of the pressure on Holl, Brodie, etc.).

There is no reprieve for that offense until the core guys start doing more at ES. The bottom 6 guys need to be better too, but we are already seeing a much improved 4th line with Engvall playing with Kampf, and I think we will eventually figure out the 3rd line...

Agreed for the most part. But Keefe has practically called out Dubas saying the personnel on the backend cant make a pass.

 

[Gabriel426]

Not to pile on, Jets need a top 6 forward...they dont have the pieces to acquire Marner but maybe Nylander is available for lesser parts?

Anything enticing for Leaf fans (knowing this is a move to get better now / change chemistry)?

Connor and Helly for Marner and Kerfoot

Geez.. i couldnt see st louis trading oreilly straight up for marner

So we get tank and a first for kerfoot and bortuzzo for holl

I dont think this trade is fair

Could you see Panthers trading Hubie, Weegar and a 1st for Tkachuk four months ago?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

You can call it a re-tool if you want, but in terms of what we're discussing those are minor moves. The actual re-tool is in the offseason when you move a core piece out and bring in new management

We are moving out pieces which we can't easily replace and presumably we are not replacing them with similar or better players. We can hope that some Marlies step up but more than likely they will not be as good.

For a team like us, that is a retool.

It is fine. STL did the same thing in 2017 and won in 2019.

 

[andora]

Connor and Helly for Marner and Kerfoot


Could you see Panthers trading Hubie, Weegar and a 1st for Tkachuk four months ago?

Honestly with the pending deals for both weegar and huberdeau, how weegar quickly became expensive and arguably not worth it - it didnt surprise me

I personally suggested trading weegar a couple times i think based on his upcoming contract and having montour take over

I know it is similar oreilly and tarasenko are like hubie and weegar and marner is like tkachuk

But honestly i dont see the situations even remotely close - st louis has the levwrage in this deal - and i dont see them even considering oreilly let alone all the other noise

And they have kyrou who has performed very well so far and disnt look out of place in the playoffs and signed

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Agreed for the most part. But Keefe has practically called out Dubas saying the personnel on the backend cant make a pass.

Sure he called out the defense. They don't need to be protected. He has called out pretty much everyone except Samsonov (because he doesn't deserve it). He even called out the top guys but then had to clarify, so I guess he hasn't called them out officially yet? The core arguably deserves the most criticism too.

At the same time, the defense is not solely responsible for those issues, even if Keefe is making it out to be that way. There were plenty of times when a failed clear happened because the forwards couldn't win a board battle or were not open to receive a pass from the defense. Hard to make a first pass if there is nobody to pass to.