Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[SeaOfBlue]

To be honest, I'd definitely punt players right now to bring in a couple Marlies. Will anybody want them? Who knows.

Teams would definitely want Kerfoot.

Engvall would need to keep up what he has been doing with Kampf, but he would be attractive as well.

In the 3 games since they were put together, Kampf, Engvall and their linemates (NAK for one game and ZAR for 2) have each been well above a 60% xGF% despite starting a ton in our own zone. Engvall and Kampf each have an ES goal in that stretch... Which unfortunately has accounted for 50% of our ES goals (Marner and Malgin have our other two). No ES goals allowed either, which cannot be said for Marner. It is exactly what we hoped for out of our shutdown line at the start of the year, and it has worked well with either NAK or ZAR on the line.

Kampf and Engvall were excellent together last year as well.

 

[IPS]

Teams would definitely want Kerfoot.

Maybe if they're only paying a 5th round pick or something

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Are we going to try to make a big add? We aren't going to make the playoffs if we're having an off year. Say we make a big add, who cares if it's just another round 1 loss and we're short even more big assets.

What a mess.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

3 possible trades to shake up the core and change the culture.

Mangiapane for Nylander is an easy place to start. I proposed this multiple times this summer. They scored at the same rate last year. Nylander is a better playmaker, Mangiapane is a better defensive player. Calgary needs offense, Toronto needs more tenacity. Leafs save 1M on the cap for the next two years and get a third year.

Rielly for Lowry would be smart business. Rielly is being paid like a #1 defenseman but he is quite literally terrible at defense. Dubas would be smart to move on from his money while he still can. Everything that Rielly brings can be replaced by free agents for cheap. Leafs save 4.25M for the next 4 seasons.

Marner for Dobson might fix the 1RD position for the next 10 years. Leafs save 7M on the cap for the next 3 years while picking up one of the best young RHD. Marner is obviously a huge price to pay but it's much more difficult to find young top pair RHD than it is to find point per game wingers. Leafs can use the 7M to backfill a large portion of Marner's production in UFA.

All three trades are a loss of value in a vacuum but the Leafs save cap on all 3 while picking up players that play a different style.

Leafs get SIGNIFICANTLY worse

 

[TMLAM34]

#failforbedard

 

[Legion34]

#failforbedard

Man at least make it rhyme

 

[Fogelhund]

Man at least make it rhyme

#chokehardforbedard

 

[Fogelhund]

Are we going to try to make a big add? We aren't going to make the playoffs if we're having an off year. Say we make a big add, who cares if it's just another round 1 loss and we're short even more big assets.

What a mess.

At this point, absolutely not. Until our top players, start playing like top players, there isn't a reason to add.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Blockbuster:

To Toronto
Shane Wright
Jared McCann
Jamie Oleksiak

To Seattle
Mitch Marner
Rasmus Sandin

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Blockbuster:

To Toronto
Shane Wright
Jared McCann
Jamie Oleksiak

To Seattle
Mitch Marner
Rasmus Sandin

I would do it.

 

[Duke16]

My calm take here is that I bet we seen a return to form for a few of our forwards still and that area is a non-issue.

I would absolutely move Holl, and I think being in on a guy like Bear signals that's a possibility. His puck movement, among other things, has been plain awful. If they get Liljegren back and add another solid everyday option, I think that's something you have to explore. If the Leafs are going to stay in LTIR, they can also likely get away with not exposing Mete or Benn to waivers again to keep a nice Top 8 in tact.

Additionally, if Murray is going to be out, they need to improve on Kallgren. He is statistically the worst goalie of the Matthews era and let's in visibly trash goals often. Last night was disappointing overall, but that Kulikov wraparound goal was on par with some of the other detrimental late plays that have causes loss. Regardless though, this isn't a one night thing. He is an .875 G through 17 games. That is worse than Mrazek, Hutchinson, and Sparks' stints. We will continue to throw away points if he starts. He is letting in 3+ no matter the circumstance, and the team not playing flawlessly in front of him only solidifies the L

 

[TMLAM34]

A shake up without including any of the “core four”.

To Toronto: Ivan Provorov
To Philadelphia: Rasmus Sandin + Alex Kerfoot + OTT 3rd Rounder

Provorov - Liljegren becomings your top defensive pair.

 

[ryno23]

I wouldn't trade Marner until Matthews resigns. If you trade Marner now maybe Matthews says screw it I don't have an elite setup guy I am out of here. Get him signed then move Marner

 

[SprDaVE]

My calm take here is that I bet we seen a return to form for a few of our forwards still and that area is a non-issue.

I would absolutely move Holl, and I think being in on a guy like Bear signals that's a possibility. His puck movement, among other things, has been plain awful. If they get Liljegren back and add another solid everyday option, I think that's something you have to explore. If the Leafs are going to stay in LTIR, they can also likely get away with not exposing Mete or Benn to waivers again to keep a nice Top 8 in tact.

Additionally, if Murray is going to be out, they need to improve on Kallgren. He is statistically the worst goalie of the Matthews era and let's in visibly trash goals often. Last night was disappointing overall, but that Kulikov wraparound goal was on par with some of the other detrimental late plays that have causes loss. Regardless though, this isn't a one night thing. He is an .875 G through 17 games. That is worse than Mrazek, Hutchinson, and Sparks' stints. We will continue to throw away points if he starts. He is letting in 3+ no matter the circumstance, and the team not playing flawlessly in front of him only solidifies the L

I think that's fair. I have defended Holl a lot over the years because I do think he's a fine defenseman paid around what those kind of defensemen make. But he's making way too many mistakes and the one thing he was good at has completely tanked, which is his ability to at least make plays defensively. He's been brain dead lately. He's the ultimate scape goat right now but he's been struggling.

I don't think Kallgren has been that bad for a 3rd stringer. Last night he was good until he let in a bad goal. The team has to be able to play better infront against the worst team in the league. But if Murray is out a lot this year, I would agree the Leafs need to find another option... but are they gonna be better than Kallgren? Debatable. With that said, Murray seems like he'll be back.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

My calm take here is that I bet we seen a return to form for a few of our forwards still and that area is a non-issue.

I would absolutely move Holl, and I think being in on a guy like Bear signals that's a possibility. His puck movement, among other things, has been plain awful. If they get Liljegren back and add another solid everyday option, I think that's something you have to explore. If the Leafs are going to stay in LTIR, they can also likely get away with not exposing Mete or Benn to waivers again to keep a nice Top 8 in tact.

Additionally, if Murray is going to be out, they need to improve on Kallgren. He is statistically the worst goalie of the Matthews era and let's in visibly trash goals often. Last night was disappointing overall, but that Kulikov wraparound goal was on par with some of the other detrimental late plays that have causes loss. Regardless though, this isn't a one night thing. He is an .875 G through 17 games. That is worse than Mrazek, Hutchinson, and Sparks' stints. We will continue to throw away points if he starts. He is letting in 3+ no matter the circumstance, and the team not playing flawlessly in front of him only solidifies the L

I wouldn't throw away Holl too soon. He was rough for the first few games last season too and then was excellent the rest of the way, including the playoffs.

His puck handling has been a bit of a problem (although hardly anything that only affects him on forward or defense) but his positioning is still good for the most part, and he is not on the ice for too many goals against (at least at ES).

Not going to be easy to find a true upgrade either.

 

[SprDaVE]

My calm take is that I would definitely start shopping Sandin, Engvall and obviously Holl right now.

I loved Engvall last year and he's probably going to make us regret it but as a UFA and his utter don't give a crap attitude, I'd look at salvaging a return with him with a pick or two, and insert Steeves.

Holl is just done. Holl is beloved in the room so perhaps this move would shake up the room a bit. Pending UFA as well and just bombarded by the fans, media and just looks done mentally.

I'm usually one to have a lot of patience with young players but Sandin has stagnated and I think I'd sell relatively high on him. I'd wait for a good offer of course and wouldn't give him up but I do think I'd part with him in some way in the next few months.

Obviously if the team doesn't start winning soon, you start selling everything that you can.

 

[showtime8]

My calm take is that I would definitely start shopping Sandin, Engvall and obviously Holl right now.

I loved Engvall last year and he's probably going to make us regret it but as a UFA and his utter don't give a crap attitude, I'd look at salvaging a return with him with a pick or two, and insert Steeves.

Holl is just done. Holl is beloved in the room so perhaps this move would shake up the room a bit. Pending UFA as well and just bombarded by the fans, media and just looks done mentally.

I'm usually one to have a lot of patience with young players but Sandin has stagnated and I think I'd sell relatively high on him. I'd wait for a good offer of course and wouldn't give him up but I do think I'd part with him in some way in the next few months.

Obviously if the team doesn't start winning soon, you start selling everything that you can.

Yeah, I don't have a problem with the guys that you have listed, but the question that I have is, do we run into a Nylander / Sandin situation, where he misses time in training camp and looks like trash, but if we actually held on to Sandin he would turn things around. I don't know either way and Sandin didn't miss any game time.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Yeah, I don't have a problem with the guys that you have listed, but the question that I have is, do we run into a Nylander / Sandin situation, where he misses time in training camp and looks like trash, but if we actually held on to Sandin he would turn things around. I don't know either way and Sandin didn't miss any game time.

It is not really a decision you make based on 10 games.

 

[andora]

Yeah, I don't have a problem with the guys that you have listed, but the question that I have is, do we run into a Nylander / Sandin situation, where he misses time in training camp and looks like trash, but if we actually held on to Sandin he would turn things around. I don't know either way and Sandin didn't miss any game time.

I think you give sandin more time. Big picture i think he has been fine, and he can move the puck effectively regardless of how he skates

 

[SprDaVE]

Yeah, I don't have a problem with the guys that you have listed, but the question that I have is, do we run into a Nylander / Sandin situation, where he misses time in training camp and looks like trash, but if we actually held on to Sandin he would turn things around. I don't know either way and Sandin didn't miss any game time.

I was in the position that the Leafs should have traded him this off-season. Not that he's a bad player, he's actually pretty good, but I have doubts about his ceilling and I think the Leafs could have probably used the return/cap. In hindsight cap space isn't a problem with LTIR usage but Sandin also hasn't played above expectations. He is what he is.

 

[Americanadian]

Not sure if anyone noticed New Jersey put together a perfect shutdown 2nd pair over the last 2 off seasons in Graves-Marino. It cost them a 2nd, 3rd, career AHLer, and a 22 year old former 1st round pick that hasn't cracked the NHL. They are paying them around 7.5M combined, or 1 Morgan Rielly. Would have loved to see the Leafs make these moves. They also picked up Siegenthaler who's been a defensive minded top pair defenseman for them for a 3rd round pick. All 3 players between 25-27.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Not sure if anyone noticed New Jersey put together a perfect shutdown 2nd pair over the last 2 off seasons in Graves-Marino. It cost them a 2nd, 3rd, career AHLer, and a 2018 1st round pick that hasn't cracked the NHL. They are paying them around 7.5M combined, or 1 Morgan Rielly. Would have loved to see the Leafs make these moves. They also picked up Siegenthaler who's been a defensive minded top pair defenseman for them for a 3rd round pick. All 3 players between 25-27.

Very good observation that highlights how bad dubas has been.

 

[showtime8]

It is not really a decision you make based on 10 games.

No, I would agree, I would think that this was built up over the off-season and they're waiting for a shoe to drop in terms of asking price or a bigger trade that's happening.

I think you give sandin more time. Big picture i think he has been fine, and he can move the puck effectively regardless of how he skates

Yeah, I think the team knows the upside and what players are out there.

Ultimately I think you need to replace Muzzin. Tough to do, but start looking now so the prices aren't astronomical.

 

[Jozay]

"I think they recognize the second coming of Scotty Bowman is not winning with this defense, especially with the way it is constructed right now"

Friedman on 32 thoughts lol

 

[Zero1]

Keefe needs to split up that 1st line. I would even bring up Steeves and Anderson to inject some life into this team.

Maybe try something like this:

Kerfoot-Matthews-Nylander
Bunting-Tavares-Marner
Engvall-Kampf-Jarnkrok
Robertson-Steeves-Anderson